What is the difference between abortion and murder?

[Deleted User]

I don't understand why abortion is legal. Abortion is the murder of a baby, isn't it? How is this legal?

 

[omgcat]

I don't understand why abortion is legal. Abortion is the murder of a baby, isn't it? How is this legal?

murder is a legal definition. it is why we have different types and degrees. we have 0 laws that state that abortion is murder, and laws that do so are in violation of previous supreme court precedence. in short, there is no legal definition that abortion is murder, therefor it is legal.

 

[Deleted User]

murder is a legal definition. it is why we have different types and degrees. we have 0 laws that state that abortion is murder, and laws that do so are in violation of previous supreme court precedence. in short, there is no legal definition that abortion is murder, therefor it is legal.

I don't care about legal definitions. I care about REAL definitions. Murder is ending a life with malicious intent. Abortion is ending a baby's life, which is obviously malicious. Therefore, abortion is murder.

 

[omgcat]

snip to message glitch

 

[Deleted User]

about what? the question you asked? you asked why it is legal; it is because no laws exist.

You responded to a glitched message; please try again. Laws DO exist stating that murder is illegal, and since abortion is murder, abortion should also be illegal.

 

[omgcat]

I don't care about legal definitions. I care about REAL definitions. Murder is ending a life with malicious intent. Abortion is ending a baby's life, which is obviously malicious. Therefore, abortion is murder.

you asked why it is legal; it is because no laws exist. no laws on abortion exist because of the bill of rights. the 14th amendment protects one's right to medical privacy. procedures done on a persons body are in their zone of privacy, and it is illegal to publicize or make known what one has done in a medical procedure. you are ASKING "why is something legal" and then dismissing a fact because you don't care about legality. you are probably trying to ask "why do people accept it?". that is a messier conversation. people accept abortion because it is hard to call a ball of cells a human. it is also accepted because people care about the rights of citizens and wouldn't ever want to reduce the rights apportioned to us. I don't think it should be legal to own guns, but i don't run around and try to ban them. If we ban abortions, people who want them will get them anyways. just like banning guns, criminals don't care what "legal" is, so they would get the gun/abortion illegally anyways.

 

[Deleted User]

you asked why it is legal; it is because no laws exist. no laws on abortion exist because of the bill of rights. the 14th amendment protects one's right to medical privacy. procedures done on a persons body are in their zone of privacy, and it is illegal to publicize or make known what one has done in a medical procedure. you are ASKING "why is something legal" and then dismissing a fact because you don't care about legality. you are probably trying to ask "why do people accept it?". that is a messier conversation. people accept abortion because it is hard to call a ball of cells a human. it is also accepted because people care about the rights of citizens and wouldn't ever want to reduce the rights apportioned to us. I don't think it should be legal to own guns, but i don't run around and try to ban them. If we ban abortions, people who want them will get them anyways. just like banning guns, criminals don't care what "legal" is, so they would get the gun/abortion illegally anyways.

So if the right to privacy gives you the right to murder, does that mean that I am legally entitled to kill you if I do it privately?

 

[omgcat]

So if the right to privacy gives you the right to murder, does that mean that I am legally entitled to kill you if I do it privately?

does the murder take place in your body? does the body of the person you're mudering fit in your body at the time of murder? no? then it's illegal.

 

[Deleted User]

you asked why it is legal; it is because no laws exist. no laws on abortion exist because of the bill of rights. the 14th amendment protects one's right to medical privacy. procedures done on a persons body are in their zone of privacy, and it is illegal to publicize or make known what one has done in a medical procedure. you are ASKING "why is something legal" and then dismissing a fact because you don't care about legality. you are probably trying to ask "why do people accept it?". that is a messier conversation. people accept abortion because it is hard to call a ball of cells a human. it is also accepted because people care about the rights of citizens and wouldn't ever want to reduce the rights apportioned to us. I don't think it should be legal to own guns, but i don't run around and try to ban them. If we ban abortions, people who want them will get them anyways. just like banning guns, criminals don't care what "legal" is, so they would get the gun/abortion illegally anyways.

Also, your argument about it being hard to call a ball of cells human is invalid because in some states, abortions can be done even when the baby is 8 months old. If you've ever seen a picture of a 8-month-old baby, then you would know that it clearly is not a ball of cells.

 

[omgcat]

Also, your argument about it being hard to call a ball of cells human is invalid because in some states, abortions can be done even when the baby is 8 months old. If you've ever seen a picture of a 8-month-old baby, then you would know that it clearly is not a ball of cells.

what percentage of people get an 8 month abortion? what are some reasons that a person would get an abortion at 8-months? look with open eyes and you might find interesting information.

 

[Deleted User]

does the murder take place in your body? does the body of the person you're mudering fit in your body at the time of murder? no? then it's illegal.

Why should it matter where the murder takes place? It's still a murder, even if it is inside your body. And where do the baby's rights come into this? Isn't a baby's right to LIFE more important than a woman's right to "privacy"?

--------------------- MERGED ---------------------------

I'm not talking about how many people do it, I'm saying that it's legal and that it shouldn't be.

 

[omgcat]

Why should it matter where the murder takes place? It's still a murder, even if it is inside your body. And where do the baby's rights come into this? Isn't a baby's right to LIFE more important than a woman's right to "privacy"?

you'll find that maybe less than 10 cases a year are aborted at 8 months for non-medical reasons. more innocent people get killed by police on a monthly basis than that. maybe your moral outrage would be better aimed at more sever societal problems.

--------------------- MERGED ---------------------------

Why should it matter where the murder takes place? It's still a murder, even if it is inside your body. And where do the baby's rights come into this? Isn't a baby's right to LIFE more important than a woman's right to "privacy"?

--------------------- MERGED ---------------------------

I'm not talking about how many people do it, I'm saying that it's legal and that it shouldn't be.

hey, i'm all for truncating the bill of rights if you want to, i'll trade you 14th for 2nd.

 

[Deleted User]

you'll find that maybe less than 10 cases a year are aborted at 8 months for non-medical reasons. more innocent people get killed by police on a monthly basis than that. maybe your moral outrage would be better aimed at more sever societal problems.

I'd say that nearly one million deaths by abortion every year for the past five years is a pretty severe societal problem.

 

[omgcat]

I'd say that nearly one million deaths by abortion every year for the past five years is a pretty severe societal problem.

doesn't seem like one to me, seems like a good thing with shitty unemployment, horrible child care, and a severe housing crisis. the abortion means the child gets saved from a shitty life.

 

[Deleted User]

what percentage of people get an 8 month abortion? what are some reasons that a person would get an abortion at 8-months? look with open eyes and you might find interesting information.

Abortion is still murder, even if it is done one month in. You could use the same logic to say that you can kill a baby that is already born, because it is small and simple compared to a human adult.

 

[omgcat]

Abortion is still murder, even if it is done one month in. You could use the same logic to say that you can kill a baby that is already born, because it is small and simple compared to a human adult.

constitutional rights apply after birth, generally when a birth certificate is tendered along with a social security number. fun fact, a death certificate also nulls a bunch of your constitutional rights.

 

[Deleted User]

doesn't seem like one to me, seems like a good thing with shitty unemployment, horrible child care, and a severe housing crisis. the abortion means the child gets saved from a shitty life.

If a "shitty life" is something you need to be "saved from" (by murder), then you might as well kill every low-class person! That is a terrible and evil argument!

— Posts automatically merged - Please don't double post! Abortion is murder. —

constitutional rights apply after birth, generally when a birth certificate is tendered along with a social security number.

Stop using stuff about constitutional rights and legally being alive to try to argue against my point! The entire point of this is that the laws are wrong!

 

[Jayro]

Abortion is a life-saving medical operation for the mother. Murder is killing with malicious intent. Women have 100% the right to have control over their own bodies, as they should. Even if it means removing a parasite that they didn't ask for.

 

[bobovieri]

I feel for you, trying to make sense with this fanatic bigot...
He will accept no reason, he will listen to no logic other than "abortion is murder". I wish his mom thought differently...

 

[Deleted User]

constitutional rights apply after birth, generally when a birth certificate is tendered along with a social security number. fun fact, a death certificate also nulls a bunch of your constitutional rights.

Anyway, the constitutional right to privacy doesn't say that you can commit murder as long as it is within your privacy.

--------------------- MERGED ---------------------------

I feel for you, trying to make sense with this fanatic bigot...
He will accept no reason, he will listen to no logic other than "abortion is murder". I wish his mom thought differently...

I'm not a bigot for being against murder! That is ridiculous!