How do you feel about abortion?

[Fates-Blade-900]

I could claim to have writen my name at the end of any book out there and claim to have written it, it doesn't mean I did. People lie and it was written by people. Something happening is not proof a god did it.

You didn't read what I said about the Earth around you. Can you proof who created things around you ? Who created us ? Why are we here on Earth ? On what purpose ? Can you answer that ? Who created the house ? You re not answering my questions. Nothing to do with your name claim write at the end of any book out there. You haven't read the Bible then you dont know what you are talking about.

Maybe discuss this through PMs?

 

[spectral]

This thread isn't about the SM though I know about that, we need to stay on topic PM me or something.

But asked to prove physics. SM is more proof in it's favour than has ever been shown of god or intelligent design theory

 

[PanTheFaun]

But asked to prove physics. SM is more proof in it's favour than has ever been shown of god or intelligent design theory

You really believe that the Earth, Sun, planets, stars, humans, animals etc just came from nothing? We were just placed in a certain area where the sun is able to provide life out of chance? No intelligent design? There are tons of ancient writings depicting a god/gods or something of the sort that created us. I doubt that all these people from different countries and such just made up very similar stories of creation by chance.

 

[Fates-Blade-900]

But asked to prove physics. SM is more proof in it's favour than has ever been shown of god or intelligent design theory

Study how physics, floating planets, planets etc. are made, and you'll see that the SM is actually IN the existence of Gods favor because those are all intricate things, no random explosion that came from nothing which is impossible, in the beginning could have made that, plus you and I, are an intricate creation, plus my PM question to you.

 

[PrettyFly]

I understand but they should anyway! My three sisters used birth controls and dont have a problem and they got married and have children after. So it is effective. No excuse, really. I dont care about women's own bodies. They are dumbass and they are an idiot.

For all you know they all had multiple abortions.

 

[sarkwalvein]

You really believe that the Earth, Sun, planets, stars, humans, animals etc just came from nothing? We were just placed in a certain area where the sun is able to provide life out of chance? No intelligent design?

Nobody said that... but it is an interesting hypothesis, now prove it.

There are tons of ancient writings depicting a god/gods or something of the sort that created us. I doubt that all these people from different countries and such just made up very similar stories of creation by chance.

That's an interesting hypothesis, prove it.

The first thing you should do is accept you are ignorant.
Then you can start asking yourself questions.
Looking for knowledge in old writings is a good idea, but you never should just trust whatever you read.
Put everything to test with scrutiny, eliminate bias, retain observable facts, build knowledge.

It is quite common in history of people to sell snake oils, and write tales... why would you just trust out of the blue something that you were "told" was truth after you were born no matter the source? That's naive, put everything to test.

PS: Like the person with Miles Edgeworth avatar said, this is going way too off-topic.

 

[Lacius]

1. There is no reason to think a god exists or that the Bible is true.
2. The Bible is open to interpretation when it comes to abortion, not that it matters due to Point #1.
3. The United States and many other countries are secular nations, so the religious belief that abortion is wrong is not a good enough reason to make it illegal.
4. There's no reason to think an embryo is a conscious person.
5. If an embryo were a conscious person, that still wouldn't be enough to violate a woman's right to bodily autonomy.
6. A lot of the people who hate abortion are the same people who increase the number of abortions by fighting against things like sex education and access to contraception.

 

[PanTheFaun]

Nobody said that... but it is an interesting hypothesis, now prove it.

That's an interesting hypothesis, prove it.

The first thing you should do is accept you are ignorant.
Then you can start asking yourself questions.
Looking for knowledge in old writings is a good idea, but you never should just trust whatever you read.
Put everything to test with scrutiny, eliminate bias, retain observable facts, build knowledge.

It is quite common in history of people to sell snake oils, and write tales... why would you just trust out of the blue something that you were "told" was truth after you were born no matter the source? That's naive, put everything to test.

PS: Like the person with Miles Edgeworth avatar said, this is going way too off-topic.

I never claimed to know how it came to be but I also don't believe it came from nothing but from a higher being/beings.

You can check from this wikipedia page to see numerous similarities between creation stories and such - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_mythology
I'm not ignorant but you're an idiot for making an assumption.

 

[Fates-Blade-900]

I'm saying that making abortion illegal will really make people stop having intercourse till marriage (jaws drop I guess?), which will make it much more enjoyable. (Plus happy couple :] I'm talking about male and female only)

 

[sarkwalvein]

You can check from this wikipedia page to see numerous similarities between creation stories and such - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_mythology
I'm not ignorant but you're an idiot for making an assumptions.

I didn't say you are ignorant, but your attitude is actually proving the point of what I really said.

You/me/one should never put themselves in a pedestal.
One should always accept their ignorance, that's the first step to be able to ask oneself questions.
"I know that I know nothing" - From another ancient text full of wisdom

If one is full of themselves and believes in their fake wisdom, one cannot take the first step to build real knowledge.

That is what I said, but you interpreted it as me saying that you (not you/me/one) were ignorant, and responded that you were actually full of wisdom.... hmmmm....

 

[PrettyFly]

I'm saying that making abortion illegal will really make people stop having intercourse till marriage (jaws drop I guess?), which will make it much more enjoyable. (Plus happy couple :] I'm talking about male and female only)

They sell abortifacents online now, even on the dark web costs like $50 - $100 depending on whether you want a consult or to just take it.

There were even a few cases of people sneaking the pills into other peoples drinks.

 

[dAVID_]

You really believe that the Earth, Sun, planets, stars, humans, animals etc just came from nothing? We were just placed in a certain area where the sun is able to provide life out of chance? No intelligent design? There are tons of ancient writings depicting a god/gods or something of the sort that created us. I doubt that all these people from different countries and such just made up very similar stories of creation by chance.

I can't find an explanation, therefore god.

 

[PanTheFaun]

I didn't say you are ignorant, but your attitude is actually proving the point of what I really said.

You/me/one should never put themselves in a pedestal.
One should always accept their ignorance, that's the first step to be able to ask oneself questions.
"I know that I know nothing" - From another ancient text full of wisdom

If one if full of themselves and believes in their fake wisdom, one cannot take the first step to build real knowledge.

That is what I said, but you interpreted it as me saying that you (not you/me/one) were ignorant, and responded that you were actually full of wisdom.... hmmmm....

Haha buddy... I don't believe that I have any sort of wisdom at all. All I'm saying is that I am skeptical that we came from nothing and that ancient texts show that there are similarities between creation stories and such.

I can't find an explanation, therefore god.

I say that it's possible for it to be made by a god/gods due to numerous ancient texts that say exactly that.

 

[Fates-Blade-900]

I can't find an explanation, therefore god.

Off topic... plz PM

 

[spotanjo3]

I can't find an explanation, therefore god.

Interesting. You are a Mexican therefore there are many Mexican in Mexico who believed God and most of them are Catholic. You do not believe in God ? As I said to someone else that who design us ? Who made the house ? Who design around us on Earth ? Why are we here ? On what purpose ? There must be reasons.

 

[PanTheFaun]

Interesting. You are a Mexican therefore there are many Mexican in Mexico who believed God and most of them are Catholic. You do not believe in God ? As I said to someone else that who design us ? Who made the house ? Who design around us on Earth ? Why are we here ? On what purpose ? There must be reasons.

That's pretty much how I look at it.

 

[osm70]

Haha buddy... I don't believe that I have any sort of wisdom at all. All I'm saying is that I am skeptical that we came from nothing and that ancient texts show that there are similarities between creation stories and such.


I say that it's possible for it to be made by a god/gods due to numerous ancient texts that say exactly that.

So, you are saying that since all those stories are similar, it must be true? Because There's no way multiple civilizations would come up with the same story like that? Am I understanding you right?

I'm saying that making abortion illegal will really make people stop having intercourse till marriage (jaws drop I guess?), which will make it much more enjoyable. (Plus happy couple :] I'm talking about male and female only)

And I say that making abortion illegal will make people abort illegally in unsafe environments.

 

[sarkwalvein]

Interesting. You are a Mexican therefore there are many Mexican in Mexico who believed God and most of them are Catholic. You do not believe in God ? As I said to someone else that who design us ? Who made the house ? Who design around us on Earth ? Why are we here ? On what purpose ? There must be reasons.

Those are all questions. Not even hypothesis.

One should doubt about those kind of questions even more because they are human-centric, that is they are made to put the human in the center of it all "there shall be a reason for the human, etc", and those questions are being postulated by humans, so the -possible- source of bias is quite clear.

It would be great, from the human-centric point of view, that humans and everything around them have a purpose, it is such a convenient thing for humans if it is like that, that if humans postulate it you should be very skeptic about it (due to probable bias).

Again, it is not impossible, but without a proof it is as possible as the contrary, that is "no purpose, no reason, all chaotic". Faith is cool, but it is not a fact.

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And I say that making abortion illegal will make people abort illegally in unsafe environments.

Unfortunately your "prediction" is backed up by statistics.

 

[spotanjo3]

Those are all questions. Not even hypothesis.

One should doubt about those kind of questions even more because they are human-centric, that is they are made to put the human in the center of it all "there shall be a reason for the human, etc", and those questions are being postulated by humans, so the -possible- source of bias is quite clear.

It would be great, from the human-centric point of view, that humans and everything around them have a purpose, it is such a convenient thing for humans if it is like that, that if humans postulate it you should be very skeptic about it (due to probable bias).

Again, it is not impossible, but without a proof it is as possible as the contrary, that is "no purpose, no reason, all chaotic". Faith is cool, but it is not a fact.

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Unfortunately your "prediction" is backed up by statistics.

Wow. I respect your belief. One day, you will see. One day.

 

[PanTheFaun]

So, you are saying that since all those stories are similar, it must be true? Because There's no way multiple civilizations would come up with the same story like that? Am I understanding you right?

I'm not saying that it is true but that it's possible that it may be true due to various similarities. Anything is possible.