How do you feel about abortion?

[sarkwalvein]

The Bible isn't a fairy tail, try explaining the fine tuning of the universe to me without the Bible? Try explaining how the universe even began without the Bible? Try explaining all the planets and stars and cosmos to me without the Bible? You can't do any of it, and you and I know that.

Oh... god... oh...
The Bible is a great semi-fictional history book based on real events, with a lot of tales of wisdom of peoples of the past... it did a good job, but I see nowadays it does more harm than good, people take it too literal.

I prefer the creation story from the poetic edda.
The universe was created from the blood of giants.

 

[FAST6191]

The Bible says in Genesis 2:7 "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." this proves that there IS a soul in the body.

The big book of FAST6191 says that did not happen.

How do we resolve this?

I approve. As long as the "life" is less than a month old.

How did you arrive at the one month thing?

 

[spectral]

I dont agreed with you. What if you wrote the diary of your life and does that mean your diary is a fairy tale ? No ? Then this bible is like a diary. So it is not a fairy tale since it is a true story. Dont blame the religion.. Blame the corrupt people who make up their religion and doesn't followed the Bible at all.

Its not a diary, its a story. There is no proof any of it actually happened. You only believe its true.

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(*sigh* apologies every one) God wrote the Bible through men, which means it's His words if He says there's a soul there's a soul.

Of course he did, Santa clause helped him. Sorry but laws shouldn't be based on your imaginary friend in the sky.

 

[WeedZ]

You guys can disagree, but let's be a bit more respectful of people's beliefs.

 

[spectral]

You guys can disagree, but let's be a bit more respectful of people's beliefs.

Why? Religious people aren't respectful of atheist beliefs

 

[WeedZ]

Why? Religious people aren't respectful of atheist beliefs

Atheists dont have beliefs...

 

[sarkwalvein]

You guys can disagree, but let's be a bit more respectful of people's beliefs.

Yeah, starting for recognizing that belief is not fact and no base for law on a western society.
Looking down on the argumentation of other people due to it "not matching your belief" and not due to facts makes no sense.
Playing higher moral stand due to your belief is also idiotic.

Unless you want to segregate people you can't base law on "belief".

 

[spectral]

Atheists dont have beliefs...

Sure they do, they just don't believe in a divinity. The believe there is no god, which is in itself is a belief.

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Yeah, starting for recognizing that belief is not fact and no base for law in a western society.
Looking down on the argumentation of other people due to it "not matching your belief" and not due to facts makes no sense.
Playing higher moral stand due to your belief is also idiotic.

Unless you want to segregate people you can't base law on "belief".

But thats exactly what you are doing. Saying abortion is wrong because it goes against your religious beliefs. My beliefs says there is no soul .Yours say there is a soul. There is no proof either way.

 

[sarkwalvein]

But thats exactly what you are doing. Saying abortion is wrong because it goes against your religious beliefs.

Nope, I think abortion should be legal.

I don't like the idea from a personal point of view and would suffer if faced with the situation, but this shouldn't affect its legality.

Also, I don't think I have any strong religious affiliation.

 

[spectral]

Yeah, my bad. Misread the thread a little. Apologies.

 

[spotanjo3]

Its not a diary, its a story. There is no proof any of it actually happened. You only believe its true.

There is no proof any of it actually happened ? You are lacking of research some more. And because you are not looking harder quite enough. A bible is the people in it who actually witness what's going on about 2,500 years old or so and wrote it like a diary. So it is not a story.

Anyway, I respect your belief.

 

[sarkwalvein]

There is no proof any of it actually happened ? You are lacking of research some more. And because you are not looking harder quite enough. A bible is the people in it who actually witness what's going on about 2,500 years old or so and wrote it like a diary. So it is not a story.

Anyway, I respect your belief.

Yeah, we all know it. It -is- a semi-fictional book based on real events, many of the tales on it are actually old wisdom put into somewhat metaphorical tales with a lot of components based on real events. It is not 1:1 at all, and it is a book that served it's purpose. It has value, historical value mostly.

I still hold that,

people that say the bible is fiction miss the point. Of course it is fiction, but it is also a fictionated book of history very roughly based on real events, a study of ethics of an ancient group of people, and sort of historical law code of an ancient civilization... who here even discusses it is as fictionated as the Odyssesy or the Iliad? Or the Mio Cid...

But it is IMHO not to be taken literal, and not a guidebook for today, it was useful millennia ago, some wisdom can still be extracted from it, only a stubborn person will use it as a literal guidebook.

 

[spectral]

There is no proof any of it actually happened ? You are lacking of research some more. And because you are not looking harder quite enough. A bible is the people in it who actually witness what's going on about 2,500 years old or so and wrote it like a diary. So it is not a story.

Anyway, I respect your belief.

Any proof that's who wrote it? Or do you just believe that's what happened? My problem is lack of any real evidence. Just because something claims to be true doesn't make it true.

 

[Fates-Blade-900]

Any proof that's who wrote it? Or do you just believe that's what happened? My problem is lack of any real evidence. Just because something claims to be true doesn't make it true.

Prove physics to me. You really can't, (I could say an invisible man comes and knocks down a heavy ball, but scientist say it's laws.) you can only go off of what's felt, seen, touched etc. to make it true and it's true that everything in the bible adds up in the human senses and its literature so... it's extremely likely (or absolutely,) right about what it says, plus the fine tuning of the universe really says it all...

P.S. I'm hopefully done, if anyone has anything to say to me PM me.

 

[spotanjo3]

Any proof that's who wrote it? Or do you just believe that's what happened? My problem is lack of any real evidence. Just because something claims to be true doesn't make it true.

There are names in the Bible. Obviously you never read the Bible at all. How do you say such things like that if you haven't read the Bible and find the names of people in it ? Its right in front of you if you read the Bible.

Need any real evidence ? You a little faith. Look around you.. Who create things ? It didn't appear to be evolution itself because there is no evidence about it also. Who created the house ? You did. So something out there obviously created around us. Just like something out there created us and miracle in women's pregnancy developed a amazing baby inside the woman's stomach. Thats something going on. And it is not evolution if you believe it.

 

[spectral]

Prove physics to me. You really can't, (I could say an invisible man comes and knocks down a heavy ball, but scientist say it's laws.) you can only go off of what's felt, seen, touched etc. to make it true and it's true that everything in the bible adds up in the human senses and its literature so... it's extremely likely (or absolutely,) right about what it says, plus the fine tuning of the universe really says it all...

But at least that has observable results of cause and effect. You can see one thing effecting the other and repeat the results. The proof, they used it to make the device you are using, the internet.

 

[sarkwalvein]

Prove physics to me. You really can't, you can only go off of what's felt, seen, touched etc. to make it true and it's true that everything in the bible adds up in the human senses and its literature so... it's extremely likely (or absolutely,) right about what it says, plus the fine tuning of the universe really says it all...

There's this thing called the scientific method that goes about a systematic method of observation, formulation of hypothesis, repeatable measurement, test, proofs and reformulation. It's purpose is to remove the bias and extract facts thus proving things (and physics) in an unbiased repeatable way, I would recommend you to research on it.

 

[spectral]

There are names in the Bible. Obviously you never read the Bible at all. How do you say such things like that if you haven't read the Bible and find the names of people in it ? Its right in front of you if you read the Bible.

Need any real evidence ? You a little faith. Look around you.. Who create things ? It didn't appear to be evolution itself because there is no evidence about it also. Who created the house ? You did. So something out there obviously created around us. Just like something out there created us and miracle in women's pregnancy developed a amazing baby inside the woman's stomach. Thats something going on. And it is not evolution if you believe it.

I could claim to have writen my name at the end of any book out there and claim to have written it, it doesn't mean I did. People lie and it was written by people. Something happening is not proof a god did it.

 

[Fates-Blade-900]

There's this thing called the scientific method that goes about a systematic method of observation, formulation of hypothesis, repeatable measurement, test, proofs and reformulation. It's purpose is to remove the bias and extract facts thus proving things (and physics) in an unbiased repeatable way, I would recommend you to research on it.

This thread isn't about the SM though I know about that, we need to stay on topic PM me or something.

 

[spotanjo3]

I could claim to have write my name at the end of any book out there and claim to have written it, it doesn't mean I did. People lie and it was written by people. Something happening is not proof a god did it.

You didn't read what I said about the Earth around you. Can you proof who created things around you ? Who created us ? Why are we here on Earth ? On what purpose ? Can you answer that ? Who created the house ? You re not answering my questions. Nothing to do with your name claim write at the end of any book out there. You haven't read the Bible then you dont know what you are talking about.