Homebrew What can ban a 3DS?

[Superman321]

Hey, i wanted to buy a 3DS, and i wonder what can ban it (i know that u can turn off sending data to nintendo)

 

[Deleted member 445482]

Homebrew hacking cheating.

 

[bungboi]

Although you can get banned for having Homebrew and CFW and all that, you're most likely to be banned if you cheat online.
Don't stress too much about it, you'll be fine

 

[Joom]

Online cheating and playing leaks online. There's a lot of misinformation about what will cause a ban, but these are really the only two.

 

[Superman321]

Online cheating and playing leaks online. There's a lot of misinformation about what will cause a ban, but these are really the only two.

Thanks.

 

[SCOTT0852]

1) Cheating in online multiplayer (cheating in single-player games while connected is fine)
2) Pirating games before they officially release (pirating after doesn't get you banned though)

 

[ThoD]

Little correction to everything said, pretty much the only things that can ban you are playing leaks online or cheating in multiplayer. However, playing leaks online bans your system, while cheating online will ONLY ban you on that specific game you cheated on, not the system. For example, if you cheat in MK7/Pokemon/etc. and get banned, it's just that one game that's banned and you can still play all others online just fine (eg: you can be banned on Pokemon Y, but will still be able to play on Pokemon X/OR/AS/etc. just fine).

 

[Itzumi]

Little correction to everything said, pretty much the only things that can ban you are playing leaks online or cheating in multiplayer. However, playing leaks online bans your system, while cheating online will ONLY ban you on that specific game you cheated on, not the system. For example, if you cheat in MK7/Pokemon/etc. and get banned, it's just that one game that's banned and you can still play all others online just fine (eg: you can be banned on Pokemon Y, but will still be able to play on Pokemon X/OR/AS/etc. just fine).

Didn't know that bans could be a game by game thing

 

[RHOPKINS13]

I'm going to add something I haven't seen mentioned here yet. Using homebrew that has been installed as a CIA can get you banned. This is because when your 3DS sends out telemetry data to Nintendo it shows in either your "Currently Playing" or "Activity Log" that you've been using an invalid title id.

Your safest option is to use the Rosalina Menu to load the Homebrew Launcher using an app like Download Play, Nintendo Zone, or anything else that you don't really use (it could even be a demo from the eShop). This is really the whole purpose of the Rosalina Menu, to be able to cloak your homebrew usage under a legit title. Then just download .3dsx versions of all the homebrew you need.

Also disable "Sending of System Information" in Spotpass settings, and disable the "Show friends what you're playing" option in your Friend List settings.

That, and don't use cheats online, and don't use early leaks online, and you should be pretty safe. Never any guarantees though.

 

[Joom]

Using homebrew that has been installed as a CIA can get you banned. This is because when your 3DS sends out telemetry data to Nintendo it shows in either your "Currently Playing" or "Activity Log" that you've been using an invalid title id.

This hasn't been proven yet as there's not a single reported case yet. If it were true, there'd be multitudes of more bans. There are numerous people who use CIA homebrew exclusively (myself included), and have never been banned for such. So far, it seems like the only conclusive evidence comes from abuse of the Nintendo Network in some way.

 

[RHOPKINS13]

This hasn't been proven yet as there's not a single reported case yet. If it were true, there'd be multitudes of more bans. There are numerous people who use CIA homebrew exclusively (myself included), and have never been banned for such. So far, it seems like the only conclusive evidence comes from abuse of the Nintendo Network in some way.

Depends on your definition of "proven." When the huge banwaves came during the Pokemon Sun/Moon leaks, many people were banned including people that claimed they never played the leaks. Some people even claimed they were banned and had never used FreeShop or any pirated CIAs. Of course, all of this evidence is anecdotal, but there were too many reports of it for me to ignore. And considering the cautions that were later added to the 3DS guide regarding spotpass and friend list settings, and the Rosalina Menu that was developed and released shortly after, I feel like it's pretty solid advice.

 

[Joom]

Depends on your definition of "proven." When the huge banwaves came during the Pokemon Sun/Moon leaks, many people were banned including people that claimed they never played the leaks. Some people even claimed they were banned and had never used FreeShop or any pirated CIAs. Of course, all of this evidence is anecdotal, but there were too many reports of it for me to ignore. And considering the cautions that were later added to the 3DS guide regarding spotpass and friend list settings, and the Rosalina Menu that was developed and released shortly after, I feel like it's pretty solid advice.

There were also people claiming that they were banned even though they were using OFW. The problem with people is that they lie. A lot. Those banned during the SuMo wave were 95% likely to be banned for piracy. I'll give some people the benefit of the doubt because some mom and pop shops broke the street date. The second mass wave was most likely caused by Doodlebomb, and other homebrew methods that abused online services.

 

[wormdood]

The second mass wave was most likely caused by Doodlebomb, and other homebrew methods that abused online services.

this suggest nintendo banned people for simply using homebrew and i find that hard to believe as nintendo actually likes homebrew (not piracy but homebrew . . . if you need proof look at the ds homebrew app "colors" and how it shut down then resurfaced on the 3ds 3shop as "colors3d")
not to mention the fact that i have 3 systems and used internet based homebrew hax (browserhax) to install cfw on all 3 and only one got banned


also if the above quote is true than this quote is/can indeed be true as well . . .

There were also people claiming that they were banned even though they were using OFW.

The problem with people is that they lie. A lot.

more often they just dont have a full understanding of anything they did while installing cfw (or afterwards for that matter)

 

[ThoD]

Didn't know that bans could be a game by game thing

It happens, although a fair few games will just disconnect you instead of ban (eg: Monster Hunter) and the games that do ban only ban the game (eg: MK7 or Pokemon).

I'm going to add something I haven't seen mentioned here yet. Using homebrew that has been installed as a CIA can get you banned. This is because when your 3DS sends out telemetry data to Nintendo it shows in either your "Currently Playing" or "Activity Log" that you've been using an invalid title id.

Your safest option is to use the Rosalina Menu to load the Homebrew Launcher using an app like Download Play, Nintendo Zone, or anything else that you don't really use (it could even be a demo from the eShop). This is really the whole purpose of the Rosalina Menu, to be able to cloak your homebrew usage under a legit title. Then just download .3dsx versions of all the homebrew you need.

Also disable "Sending of System Information" in Spotpass settings, and disable the "Show friends what you're playing" option in your Friend List settings.

That, and don't use cheats online, and don't use early leaks online, and you should be pretty safe. Never any guarantees though.

I'm going to remove something that you mentioned, everything It's been PROVEN that Friend List settings and Spotpass settings DO NOT AFFECT what Nintendo sees, as those are ONLY regarding what other USERS see, Nintendo still gets the data, just doesn't relay it to the people you find online. Also, using CIA homebrew is perfectly safe and actually better in most cases compared to launching stuff through HBL, as you don't need patches (eg: SM patches) and you have more priviledges over the system, allowing for more options, reason it's not rare to see homebrews that offer less functions in .3dsx format. About what Nintendo sees, they CAN'T see the Activity Log, as along with the things I mentioned above what they can see has been PROVEN and they see the last launched title if no title is open or the title you currently have open when you connect online and that's just it as far as "activity" is concerned. They can see other things too, but it's irrelevant to this. Telemetry data is constantly being collected, you really think they'd actually let you turn that off? The whole "purpose" of the Rosalina Menu is to add various features, not just homebrew and it just happens to have included the ability to load up HBL BECAUSE all other main entrypoints for HBL don't work anymore (got patched out). Without it, anyone without Ninjahax or similar entrypoints wouldn't be able to use .3dsx files, that's why they added it. Cheats online can ban you though so I agree with that and same for leaks, everything else though, nope

Quoting a certain page with the verified information:

Things we know for how Nintendo finds out and bans you:

It does not matter if you have spotpass on or off, or if you have the option to show your currently playing game to your friends, data is still sent to Nintendo on it while you’re playing.

The data that’s sent:

• Amount of time spent online
• The game being played and for how long
• The consoles hex ID used in LocalFriendCodeSeedB & it’s RSA signature
• The consoles serial number that is hard coded in the SoC
• The consoles actual friend code
• If you’re online or offline
• Your NNID

The data that isn’t sent:

• Your 3DS activity log, Nintendo has their own activity log tracking how long you’re playing what online
• Games or apps that haven’t been played even if it isn’t legit, they only get tracked while you’re online and using that game/app
• They don’t track any games or apps that are accessed offline
• Having custom firmware (Currently)

List of hoaxes:

• “LocalFriendCodeSeedB is transferred to the system upon doing a system transfer.” LocalFriendCodeSeedB stays on the system and doesn’t move to another.
• “The console generates a LocalFriendCodeSeedB upon first startup”. Again, this is false, the LocalFriendCodeSeedB is made during the manufacturing process at Foxconn. It is generated at the factory, flashed to the NAND flash memory storage, then created as an account on Nintendo’s online gaming server and Nintendo eShop server immediately when being manufactured. It is impossible to generate a functioning LocalFriendCodeSeedB by yourself.
• “Switching off your currently playing info protects you” It doesn’t hide all that from Nintendo, only your friends.
• “Switching off SpotPass will protect you” It doesn’t either, everything still gets sent to Nintendo it just gets you out of receiving SpotPass things.

 

[Langley911]

it really doesnt matter if you dont invest anything in your eshop account,but still try to keep clean since once you are banned,unban the system using friendcodeseeds on the Internet is not a permanent solution,Nintendo will eventually release ban waves in the future again and you will have to find another code to be able to play online
well using CFW and playing pirated games suck but thats all about it,you have to accept the risk.

 

[lone_wolf323]

it really doesnt matter if you dont invest anything in your eshop account,but still try to keep clean since once you are banned,unban the system using friendcodeseeds on the Internet is not a permanent solution,Nintendo will eventually release ban waves in the future again and you will have to find another code to be able to play online
well using CFW and playing pirated games suck but thats all about it,you have to accept the risk.

banwaves are likely nothing. what your actually seeing is simply 1 friend code being banned from alot of others using the same one. That in no way is a ban wave.

 

[wormdood]

but still try to keep clean since once you are banned,unban the system using friendcodeseeds on the Internet is not a permanent solution,

you can always pay for a private one instead of using the public one (there are still people who sell them ... i have 7 spares)

you have to accept the risk.

well said, and the reason i never hacked my switch

sidenote . . . i really like the new avatar image ... i know it was not the goal but it reminds me of the usa court systems lady justice, only its like the inverse. instead of having both hands full and a blindfold your image has no arms (so is empty handed) and a third eye (so it is all seeing)

 

[Joom]

this suggest nintendo banned people for simply using homebrew and i find that hard to believe as nintendo actually likes homebrew

This totally contradicts the hysteria over CIA homebrew as well as Nintendo's staunch approach toward homebrew. So what if that came back as an official title? That doesn't mean that Nintendo liked it unless they literally bought the project and produced the rehash themselves. Literally anyone can publish a game to the eShop provided they know what they're doing.

 

[Langley911]

you can always pay for a private one instead of using the public one (there are still people who sell them ... i have 7 spares)

well said, and the reason i never hacked my switch

sidenote . . . i really like the new avatar image ... i know it was not the goal but it reminds me of the usa court systems lady justice, only its like the inverse. instead of having both hands full and a blindfold your image has no arms (so is empty handed) and a third eye (so it is all seeing)

thats cool,i never thought about my avatar like that xd
I dont usually play multiplayer but having a fully functional system with online access and unique stuffs like that "hex code",.. should not be underrated,even when my friend asked me to unban his system using my friendcodeseed i refused and instead looking for another one on the internet...I do play pirated games tho but when i get the chance i'll definitely buy physical copies of the games i love playing,its not like being a poor ass student can cover you from being a pirate,and it sucks that in my region ppl still use cracked games and softwares as its normal and there 'are only a few laws which actually protect copyrights but limited to stuffs like music and films....

 

[wormdood]

This totally contradicts the hysteria over CIA homebrew as well as Nintendo's staunch approach toward homebrew.

not at all . . . the key word in your post is "cia" homebrew as in the thing you cant install without: breaking the set AP measures within the console, modifying the fw (nintendos property) within the console, breaking the tos, and proving you have the ability to pirate games . . . yes nintendo obviously opposes "cia" homebrew (and "colors" got a c&d from nintendo but i digress) (nintendo also shut down a really in depth pokemon fan translation last year and released a statement to the effect of 'we are happy to see the enthusiasm of the community' and also expressed the fact that new game developers are always needed)