Hacking Proof TX used code stolen from #reswitched

[Draxzelex]

Seriously, I'm getting a bit confused and what is the meaning of "open-sourced" code?

Think of writing a scientific research article by presenting evidence rounded up by other people but not providing credit where credit is due and instead claiming it as your own. You are allowed to use their evidence but you have to ask for permission and thank them afterwards

 

[Kioku]

IDK, the fact you dismissed it because "the cfw is free". You still have to provide attribution and make the source available.

I didn't dismiss anything? Read it again? Read the comment I was replying to? Don't put words in my mouth, thanks.

If you think I'm siding with TX because of that, then all I've gotta say is you need to work on reading comprehension. Don't assume anything.

 

[Pickle_Rick]

Seriously, I'm getting a bit confused and what is the meaning of "open-sourced" code?

It means the source code is available. But there different licenses with different rules.

I didn't dismiss anything? Read it again? Read the comment I was replying to? Don't put words in my mouth, thanks.

If you think I'm siding with TX because of that, then all I've gotta say is you need to work on reading comprehension. Don't assume anything.

This is what you replied to: "Cool and awesome. I'd be fine if they were stealing code if the product was free, but it isn't."

So my point still stands? (It's still stealing code even if that part is free.)

 

[osaka35]

As a general rule of thumb, if someone else made it, give them credit. Unless they've explicitly said it's okay, through type of license or written permission, not giving credit is a dick move and usually violates various laws depending on what countries are involved (copyright usually). If you're going to sell something that someone else created, and do so without permission, then you get into illegal territory.

It's not illegal to create homebrew (in most countries), but it is illegal to steal someone else's code and sell it. The selling it part is what escalates this from "being a dick" to "illegal". Same as if you tried to sell roms. No matter how iffy the personal usage of roms may be where you are, it's pretty obvious selling them makes it way worse. Same kind of thing applies here, if true. I can't speak to the validity of the claim, but I can comment on what kind of laws/rules are being discussed.

CC0 (no copyright reserved) is the type of license that lets you do whatever you want with the materials with no credit. This is most definitely not the license involved here.

 

[Pickle_Rick]

It gets better:

As for the brick code, I was wrong. Not only it is more destructive than I originally thought (it tries to corrupt boot partitions too), but it's also deployed on *multiple* stages across the boot chain. It is also way more likely to be triggered on accident than expected.

— Mike Heskin (@hexkyz) June 28, 2018

As for the brick code, I was wrong. Not only it is more destructive than I originally thought (it tries to corrupt boot partitions too), but it's also deployed on *multiple* stages across the boot chain. It is also way more likely to be triggered on accident than expected.

 

[Draxzelex]

Also checking his Twitter account, legal action is (not surprisingly) most likely not going to be pursued as they "don't care enough for that".

 

[deinonychus71]

Funny how most of you complaining about this are using sx os to steal/pirate Nintendo code.

Nah you don't get it! That's not the same thing! It's out of topic!
(this is sarcasm)

 

[lolboy]

ReSwitched be like:

“Ooh look at me, I am dancing on my toes like a fairy and sprinkel my anti piracy dust all over the place”.

Meanwhile in TX HQ:
“Release the Kraken!”

 

[The14thfly]

Yes you can, granted you obey what is stated in the license, and including the license. If you do that, you can do whatever the hell you want with the code.

Obviously TX didn't do that, but is anyone really surprised by it?
It's just a storm in a tiny bottle, nothing is going to come out of this, I don't see why people are even making a fuss about it.

YOU DONT UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS!!! TX ARE BAD AND ARE STEALING CODE because they

Guys why you are so jalous of TX?

I mean, tbh they stole

I do have the cfw. Somebody on the temp did a giveaway of a sx os key and I won. It works good but I don't like how it can brick switches and it steals code from other people...

Not saying what they did was wrong but lol, "i don't like how it can brick switches and it steals code from other people" yet I assume you're gonna play pirated backups with the loader....

 

[NeoSlyde]

YOU DONT UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS!!! TX ARE BAD AND ARE STEALING CODE because they


I mean, tbh they stole



Not saying what they did was wrong but lol, "i don't like how it can brick switches and it steals code from other people" yet I assume you're gonna play pirated backups with the loader....

I mean I don’t really care if they stole it
It works and it’s stable that’s the most important
Ikr?

 

[The14thfly]

I mean I don’t really care if they stole it
It works and it’s stable that’s the most important
Ikr?

I mean to be honest I somewhat do give a shit because as a programmer it is shitty to know that your code was stolen. But do I care ?....Not really.... If it works, it works.

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ReSwitched be like:

“Ooh look at me, I am dancing on my toes like a fairy and sprinkel my anti piracy dust all over the place”.

Meanwhile in TX HQ:
“Release the Kraken!”

Peanutbutter and antipiracy sandwich.

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It gets better: https://twitter.com/hexkyz/status/1012363017957380096

"
As for the brick code, I was wrong. Not only it is more destructive than I originally thought (it tries to corrupt boot partitions too), but it's also deployed on *multiple* stages across the boot chain. It is also way more likely to be triggered on accident than expected.

"

No proof and after that he writes:

"All this will be discussed in a future write-up by @naehrwert and myself, but in the mean time, if you are that eager to disprove us, feel free to run their "data_80000000.bin" payload using something like hekate. Reboot your console and enjoy the brick magic!

"

So Id wait for the future write-up before spreading fud.

 

[Ev1l0rd]

The CFW is free, the backup loader is not. AFAIK the stolen code isn't in the backup loader. :x

After stripping down all the obfuscation we can now say for sure that the SX OS is made of:
- Custom bootloader to display their main menu;
- Set of kernel + INI1/KIP1 patches to disable signature checking;
- Modified KIP1 Loader.

— Mike Heskin (@hexkyz) June 28, 2018

The "Loader" is the meat of the "OS", but it's nothing more than:
- An old build of nx-hbmenu;
- Atmosphère's loader code.

Backup loading is mostly achieved by parsing and decrypting XCI files and feeding them directly to the FS sysmodule (which has signature checks disabled).

— Mike Heskin (@hexkyz) June 28, 2018

It is.

And even if that were the case, per the terms and conditions of the GPL, if you use a library as part of a larger program, you have to distribute the source code under the GPL as well.

 

[kumikochan]

It gets better: https://twitter.com/hexkyz/status/1012363017957380096

So it is likely to trigger in the future. Guess we will be seeing some bricked switches in the future

 

[V-Temp]

It gets better: https://twitter.com/hexkyz/status/1012363017957380096

This is a much worse brick than what was thought at first. Probably deserves a thread for it specifically.

 

[Gameboy Color]

yea lets crack open nintendo systems circumventing their protections violating their ToS, hack DevMenu and release it, then allow functions such as piracy but when it happens to a homebrew dev? nooo thats just immoral

 

[whoIsAndrej]

yea lets crack open nintendo systems circumventing their protections violating their ToS, hack DevMenu and release it, then allow functions such as piracy but when it happens to a homebrew dev? nooo thats just immoral

1. Hacking a Hardware System you own is legal in most countries.

2. DevMenu was not hacked. It was released, yes.

3. Functions such as piracy were only allowed by TX, and some people who came up with the whole LayeredFS swapping. I don't think these people are the ones complaining.

4. Yes. Because it's immoral.

Everything you mentioned isn't sold. Nobody in the switch homebrew scene wants to, and will make a ton of money with their hacking. TX have made at least $100k with software that was mainly written by others. It's immoral.

 

[Gameboy Color]

1. Hacking a Hardware System you own is legal in most countries.

2. DevMenu was not hacked. It was released, yes.

3. Functions such as piracy were only allowed by TX, and some people who came up with the whole LayeredFS swapping. I don't think these people are the ones complaining.

4. Yes. Because it's immoral.

Everything you mentioned isn't sold. Nobody in the switch homebrew scene wants to, and will make a ton of money with their hacking. TX have made at least $100k with software that was mainly written by others. It's immoral.

lol it aint you need to look up the laws cause thats for phones not video game consoles sony won the lawsuit against geohot

devmenu being is illegal full stop and all yall were happy about that i seen it all over here and reddit lol also tutorials how to use it too

 

[jahrs]

I think i'm missing something but is it possible that 2 different companies might both work separately and come to the same answer and not even know it. I'm not saying they did or they didnt but theres a chance that 2 separate people could invent the wheel at about the same time. especially when it comes to code seeing as most of the the best solutions will more or less look and or be the same. Isnt it hard to check an entire program and make sure there are no similarities between them. Could just be a random occurence, most likely not but i figure someone should throw this into the ring to see people tear it up.

 

[vstar]

1. Hacking a Hardware System you own is legal in most countries.

2. DevMenu was not hacked. It was released, yes.

3. Functions such as piracy were only allowed by TX, and some people who came up with the whole LayeredFS swapping. I don't think these people are the ones complaining.

4. Yes. Because it's immoral.

Everything you mentioned isn't sold. Nobody in the switch homebrew scene wants to, and will make a ton of money with their hacking. TX have made at least $100k with software that was mainly written by others. It's immoral.

1. What country? Mother Russia?
2-4. lol

 

[whoIsAndrej]

lol it aint you need to look up the laws cause thats for phones not video game consoles sony won the lawsuit against geohot

devmenu being is illegal full stop and all yall were happy about that i seen it all over here and reddit lol also tutorials how to use it too

"On April 11, 2011, it was revealed that Hotz and Sony had reached a settlement out of court."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Computer_Entertainment_America,_Inc._v._Hotz

Sony didn't win, they settled. Also it might surprise you, but the world is bigger than just the US.

devmenu isn't illegal. Saying that something is illegal, allthough even you will have to admit, that devs can use it fully legally, is kinda dumb, isn't it? Nevertheless, the person who signed the NDA, and sold his dev Switch did something illegal, yes. No one except this dev has done something illegal regarding devmenu though. Same as reading WikiLeaks or some shit. The person who leaked it did something illegal. You, the reader have no obligations regarding it whatever.

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1. What country? Mother Russia?
2-4. lol

As I said, most countries. It probably will surprise you too: The world is bigger than just the US and Russia. Wanna bet you can't name a country without looking it up? And no, Puerto Rico doesn't count.