Hacking Proof TX used code stolen from #reswitched

[ItsKipz]

"Stolen" code... from an open source. Now I've heard everything...

Ever heard of a license? It's not 2002, Open Source doesn't mean "free to steal"...

 

[Wiiunator]

Well TX could say that they came up with the code first and RS stole it... how would you go about proving that in court? Also do you know how much money it would cost RS to take TX to court...? Not worth the argument

 

[brickmii82]

Ever heard of a license? It's not 2002, Open Source doesn't mean "free to steal"...

Technically it wouldn't be stolen, it would have been pirated.

 

[Kevoot]

"Stolen" code... from an open source. Now I've heard everything...

Why is it always the Patrons with the most ignorant opinions?

Read. That's all you have to do. Read a few pages of the thread, since the info appears on several pages: Open Source doesn't mean there aren't terms of conditions. Those conditions are outlined in a license, which Atmosphere has, and TX violated.

 

[kitzuki]

I'm so NOT surprised by this, if there's more evidence. They should have released their modified CFW's source, and not installed any brick-code in it. However as far as I know their backup loader is still their own work, so they can keep that closed sourced and have that have sig checks for their official CFW.

From my understanding SX OS can be used and downloaded free you need a license for the Backuploader

 

[brickmii82]

Why is it always the Patrons with the most ignorant opinions?

Read. That's all you have to do. Read a few pages of the thread, since the info appears on several pages: Open Source doesn't mean there aren't terms of conditions. Those conditions are outlined in a license, which Atmosphere has, and TX violated.

Well he does have open source work up for distribution here on Temp sooo....

 

[Kioku]

Why is it always the Patrons with the most ignorant opinions?

Read. That's all you have to do. Read a few pages of the thread, since the info appears on several pages: Open Source doesn't mean there aren't terms of conditions. Those conditions are outlined in a license, which Atmosphere has, and TX violated.

That first part just isn't true and you know it. Sheeeesh

 

[l915205]

And even if I give you that, they aren't violating copyright licenses to do it.

You can use your own code however you like, even if you published it under Open Source license.
You can buy rights from the code contributors and do with the said code whatever you like.

SX OS' primary use is for piracy

You can use SX OS for legit backups and homebrew. Like any other CFW. You may not like that it is not free but there is nothing more "pirate" about it.

 

[Dimensional]

Well he does have open source work up for distribution here on Temp sooo....

And the license must go with them. Anyone, including myself, could download the source to look at, but if I were to distribute a working, modified copy, then I must follow the same license agreement that the original developer has laid out, in this case the GPL.

 

[comput3rus3r]

Why is it always the Patrons with the most ignorant opinions?

Become a patron then and make a change.

 

[brickmii82]

And the license must go with them. Anyone, including myself, could download the source to look at, but if I were to distribute a working, modified copy, then I must follow the same license agreement that the original developer has laid out, in this case the GPL.

I'm not arguing. IJS it's pretty dumb to even be considering the legalities of the licensing due to the nature of the work, the location of the offending team, and the numerous pot/kettle flaws in the arguments presented.

 

[l915205]

And contrary to popular belief, GPL does not require to publicly host source code. One should provide the code upon request only.
So someone should politely ask TX for the Atmosphere code if they use any.

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Open Source doesn't mean "free to steal"...

But how you steel your own code?

 

[lukhart]

Pirates stealing code... Well I'll be damned!
So it sounds like I'm paying for Atmosphere early access with backup launcher... Pretty good deal if I do say so myself.

 

[Darth Meteos]

Evidence is on the table.
Two months after full public console hack there is still no free backup loader. The thing that always appears within days if not hours.
You can go with any conspiracy you like but from my experience simplest answer usually is the right. And this answer is MONEY.

Waiting for spawm news to read. Anti-piracy team points out their code was stolen by commercial pirating urly company but "released" a function for everyone can play free games using donor games.

AND HERE WE GO LADIES AND GENTLEMEN IT'S THE DARTH METEOS SUPERSHOW

"Hey everyone, I'm Darth Meteos, a shitposter who somehow got primetime, who the fuck knew"
"Today, we're going to talk about..."
AFFILIATIONS OF TEAMS IN THE SWITCH COMMUNITY
"Yes yes, very cute."

"Our first team is Xecuter! They've been around for a long, long time, since the original Xbox! They've been heavily criticized for releasing piracy tools for profit! Whatta bunch of scamps!"
*audience laughter*
"Hah hah hah. Yes. They've had a long-standing rivalry with ReSwitched, another team whose members are well-known in various other scenes. As their name implies, they've been trying to create a revamped version of Horizon (the Nintendo Switch OS) called Atmosphere! Literally Re-Switching. Ah hah hah hah. Yes."
*polite audience applause*
"Hah hah hah. So what has this got to do with you all? Well, it concerns... PIRACY."
*audience gasps*
"Yes. It turns out that the ReSwitched team is full of people who just plain hate ships, parrots, eyepatches and half-decent Disney movies! This puts them at odds with Xecuter, who doesn't care about any of that, only that they get paid! Hah hah hah!"
"Ahhh yes. So naturally, Xecuter and Reswitched have their differences, and the main difference, aside from scummy business practice vs open source, is their stances on piracy. So what has this got to do with you all? Well, it seems some members of the GBATemp community are simply too easy to manipulate into believing hardline stances that they just don't know the nuance of this situation! Can I speak some technical details, audience?"
*audience murmurs approval*
"Ah hah hah hah! Yes. While LayeredFS was indeed used to create a rudimentary backup loader, the original purpose was to make ROM hacking as easy as possible for anyone who wants to edit their games. Saying ReSwitched is supporting piracy because of it is like saying that if I invented marbles, I am to blame for all the injuries that occurred because people trip on them! What a riot!"
*audience laughter*
"Hah hah hah! So, Reswitched isn't interested in piracy. Xecuter is, though. They made their custom firmware revolve around it! That's why when you hit the album button, the default redirection is to the backup loader, and not the homebrew launcher. That's why their YouTube videos revolve around the backup loading functionality. That's why all anyone can talk about when referring to it is "ahh whatta nice backup loader!""
*audience applause*
"So to cover the question of our dear audience member, the idea that a ReSwitched member is secretly sabotaging Atmosphere whilst creating SX OS is nonsense, because the design philosophies of both CFWs are different! To recap: ReSwitched wants to create an OS similar to Atmosphere, but will also protect their customers from bans and make for as close to the original experience as possible, with the addition of everything the scene has to offer. SX OS wants to create a fast and easy product, and in doing so, they copied ReSwitched's code to do it all the faster! Ah hah hah hah! Yes."
"Join us next time on the Darth Meteos Supershow!"

...
"What, we're cancelled? HOW?!"
"We're... We're just a post on GBATemp? Do I at least get paid?!"
"..."
"I need a union."

 

[Dimensional]

And contrary to popular belief, GPL does not require to publicly host source code. One should provide the code upon request only.
So someone should politely ask TX for the Atmosphere code if they use any.

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But how you steel your own code?

Don't give credit to the original authors. Claim you made it entirely. Encrypting/Obfuscating the code to hide the proof of the first and contradiction to the second...

 

[vstar]

Is Mike Heskin@hexkyz the guy who tried to crack TX OS but got his switch bricked?

 

[Dimensional]

And contrary to popular belief, GPL does not require to publicly host source code. One should provide the code upon request only.
So someone should politely ask TX for the Atmosphere code if they use any.

Fair and accurate point. They will be required to release the code upon request. However the question now is if they truly did use Atmosphere code, how could we have figured it out? We have one piece of evidence, but they could argue that that line is simply a coincidence and they made it too, and that their code is entirely proprietary, made without grabbing it off the internet. If they indeed are willing to violate the GPL, they will try to remove all evidence they can that shows they did copy from someone else.

 

[borngborn]

Wow i actually defended these people beceause of their rep in the xbox modding days this clearly isnt the same team and makes SXOS look like a total cash grab. I was expecting 2 competeing OS's i mean the BL is defiantly their work but this is just ashame SX OS users problem on a outdated version of Hekate with a backuploader

 

[Draxzelex]

Is Mike Heskin@hexkyz the guy who tried to crack TX OS but got his switch bricked?

Yes it was locked with a password. The password is Wanna Play? BTW it was reversed without the password.

 

[l915205]

Don't give credit to the original authors

Cant argue with that. They should credit naehrwert and others right on the splash screen.
I will look for the reactions.