Hacking Is b9s really unbreakable?

[leonmagnus99]

about this unbreakable cfw stuff.

i am abit confused, i'd like to know how we are able to update and still have cfw on our cfw'd 3dses.

my setup currently is (b9s + Luma) and i had long ago injected the emuNAND i had into my sysNAND and then i deleted/wiped emuNAND.
so is my sysNAND actually behaving as my emuNAND now ?

because we can constantly update and still have cfw, how is this possible ?

 

[Cuphat]

about this unbreakable cfw stuff.

i am abit confused, i'd like to know how we are able to update and still have cfw on our cfw'd 3dses.

my setup currently is (b9s + Luma) and i had long ago injected the emuNAND i had into my sysNAND and then i deleted/wiped emuNAND.
so is my sysNAND actually behaving as my emuNAND now ?

because we can constantly update and still have cfw, how is this possible ?

CFWs (except Gateway) block writes to the FIRM partitions of your 3DS, preventing sighax'd FIRMs (such as B9S) from being overwritten by updates. So yes, updating is safe.

 

[bakageta]

Your sysnand isn't acting like an emunand. We can update and keep CFW because Luma (and nearly all CFWs) block writes to the FIRM partitions of nand. Your system update upgrades everything else, but B9S (and A9LH before it) reside in FIRM. After an update, b9s does its thing and loads your Luma payload, and tada.

 

[leonmagnus99]

awesome , got it thanks for the explanation.

 

[Reecey]

What you need to understand is B9S uses a vulnerability in the bootrom to install itself. To fix this Nintendo will have to make a new bootrom. To distribute it they will have to make a new hardware revision. While all of this feasible it is very unlikely that Nintendo will invest the money to do so.

Contrary to popular belief Nintendo is a very small company and they don't have an army of engineer ready to fix whatever vulnerability hackers found. In most cases they don't know about the vulnerabilities and the way to exploit them before hackers found them.
We know now how Nintendo is "fixing" hacked firmware in factory cf NTRBootHax.

So while Nintendo can indeed remove B9S from a console, the vulnerability remains and we will be able to reinstall it.

Contrary to popular belief Nintendo is a very small company #

What a joke!!! You do know Nintendo has been around the longest and has had the most longevity out of all the console company's in the market today. The only reason why you think Playstation & Xbox is bigger because the company's are not soley based in the console department and do have other franchises alongside. Nintendo themselves are a much bigger company console wize than any of the other two mentioned so please get your facts right, they don't have too rely on selling other products to keep there company afloat! whether the other two do!

 

[GerbilSoft]

What a joke!!! You do know Nintendo has been around the longest and has had the most longevity out of all the console company's in the market today. The only reason why you think Playstation & Xbox is bigger because the company's are not soley based in the console department and do have other franchises. Nintendo themselves are a much bigger company console wize than any of the other two mentioned so please get your facts right, they don't have too rely on selling other products to keep there company afloat! whether the other two do!

It's not exactly a disputable fact that Nintendo is significantly smaller. From Google:

• Nintendo: 5,095 employees
• Microsoft: 120,849 employees
• Sony: 146,300 employees

Both MS and Sony have more than 20x the total number of employees as Nintendo. Obviously they aren't all working in the Xbox and PlayStation divisions, but the companies can always temporarily reassign engineers to their respective consoles should the need arise.hardware/software divisions.

 

[Reecey]

It's not exactly a disputable fact that Nintendo is significantly smaller. From Google:

• Nintendo: 5,095 employees
• Microsoft: 120,849 employees
• Sony: 146,300 employees

Both MS and Sony have more than 20x the total number of employees as Nintendo. Obviously they aren't all working in the Xbox and PlayStation divisions, but the companies can always temporarily reassign engineers to their respective consoles should the need arise.hardware/software divisions.

That's because the other two company's branch out into other products, its quite obvious they have other offices/units with more employees etc..! If we are talking about the gaming industry in total, Nintendo are a much bigger company and that's a fact! and I presume that's what he is talking about>"Contrary to popular belief Nintendo is a very small company and they don't have an army of engineer ready to fix whatever vulnerability hackers found."

 

[GerbilSoft]

If we are talking about the gaming industry in total, Nintendo are a much bigger company and that's a fact!

Citation needed, Mrs. Conway.

 

[Redferne]

Contrary to popular belief Nintendo is a very small company #

What a joke!!! You do know Nintendo has been around the longest and has had the most longevity out of all the console company's in the market today. The only reason why you think Playstation & Xbox is bigger because the company's are not soley based in the console department and do have other franchises alongside. Nintendo themselves are a much bigger company console wize than any of the other two mentioned so please get your facts right, they don't have too rely on selling other products to keep there company afloat! whether the other two do!

Easy kiddo...
I'm perfectly aware that Nintendo is over 100 years old. Being around the longest doesn't make you the biggest. You do realise that Editors like EA or Ubisoft are bigger than Nintendo?

That's because the other two company's branch out into other products, its quite obvious they have other offices/units with more employees etc..! If we are talking about the gaming industry in total, Nintendo are a much bigger company and that's a fact! and I presume that's what he is talking about>"Contrary to popular belief Nintendo is a very small company and they don't have an army of engineer ready to fix whatever vulnerability hackers found."

That's exactly what I meant.
But still the console branch of Microsoft and Sony are bigger than Nintendo. There is nothing wrong about this, that's the way they want it.

 

[Deleted member 414991]

Does anybody know why i cant open the rosalina menu. I have luma 8.0 but it freezes on boot if i press l down + select

Irrelevant.

 

[RustInPeace]

It's unbreakable, but a console itself running CFW isn't, see recent banwave.

 

[adrifcastr]

about this unbreakable cfw stuff.

i am abit confused, i'd like to know how we are able to update and still have cfw on our cfw'd 3dses.

my setup currently is (b9s + Luma) and i had long ago injected the emuNAND i had into my sysNAND and then i deleted/wiped emuNAND.
so is my sysNAND actually behaving as my emuNAND now ?

because we can constantly update and still have cfw, how is this possible ?

Luma patches the Syscall that tells the system to overwrite firm0/firm1 the syscall then returns true, without having actually written to firm, however this can be patched by adding another syscall that overtakes that function which would then wipe if a9lh/b9s from the firm partitions. but this hasn't been done, simply because luma and other signature patchers would then probably be updated to patch the new syscall and this would be the era of the never ending vice versa syscall adding and patching.

However Ninty could get completely rid of a9lh by removing the arm9loader (which ironically was added as an extra layer of security which then lead to persistant arm9 code execution at boot) and thats it.

SigHax will still be there since the bootrom is a SoC so the firms will be able to be overwritten to our purposes forever.

 

[Ryccardo]

It's unbreakable, but a console itself running CFW isn't, see recent banwave.

How does a ban influence the operation of your console (as opposed to your console's interaction with non-your servers)?

 

[GerbilSoft]

However Ninty could get completely rid of a9lh by removing the arm9loader (which ironically was added as an extra layer of security which then lead to persistant arm9 code execution at boot) and thats it.

Which could then be restored by homebrew, but that still requires an ARM9 kernel exploit. Sighax only requires a hardmod or, once it's released, a supported NDS flashcart for "magnethax"/"ntrboothax"/whatever it'll be called.

 

[RustInPeace]

How does a ban influence the operation of your console (as opposed to your console's interaction with non-your servers)?

I guess it doesn't, I was just in a lamenting mood.

 

[THYPLEX]

The bizarre Adventure of Nintendo :
Bootstrap is unbreakable

 

[The Catboy]

I don't understand how you guys seriously think Nintendo can't fix an exploit on a device they have physical access to.
Of course they can fix it. They'll always have at least the same access hackers have, plus an army of engineers with full documented access hackers do NOT have.

Boot2, enough said.
Nintendo would have to be fucking stupid to try that again with the 3DS. This can't be fixed easily through a system update without a huge risk of bricking the system (and non-hacked systems) Nintendo now has to make new hardware with a new bootrom

 

[Ghost Liberator]

The bizarre Adventure of Nintendo :
Bootstrap is unbreakable

Gbatemp's Bizarre Adventure: Sighax Crusaders
Smealums Bizarre Adventure: *hax blood
Auroras Bizarre Adventure: Custom (firmware) Ocean (?)
Derreks Bizarre Adventure: Works for me

... Somebody help me...

 

[linuxares]

Gbatemp's Bizarre Adventure: Sighax Crusaders
Smealums Bizarre Adventure: *hax blood
Auroras Bizarre Adventure: Custom (firmware) Ocean (?)
Derreks Bizarre Adventure: Works for me

... Somebody help me...

Shh, shh... it's to late now my son... just close your eyes

 

[Reecey]

Citation needed, Mrs. Conway.

Easy kiddo...
I'm perfectly aware that Nintendo is over 100 years old. Being around the longest doesn't make you the biggest. You do realise that Editors like EA or Ubisoft are bigger than Nintendo?

That's exactly what I meant.
But still the console branch of Microsoft and Sony are bigger than Nintendo. There is nothing wrong about this, that's the way they want it.

I just fanced having a bit of a rant about it at the time! it was good!

 

[CrispyCola]

I mean. Can nintendo remove it via an update. Or lets say your 3ds broke and and you send it in for repairs. Are they able to remove it.

And can you get into legal trouble if nintendo sees that you have b9s if you could send it for repairs.

The only way it can be broken is by a new 3ds model or a hardware update.


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