London Terror Attack(s)

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

More evidence:
"According to Muslim biographies, Muhammed, having received intelligence that Byzantine forces were concentrating in northern Arabia with alleged intentions of invading Arabia, led a Muslim army north to Tabouk in present-day northwestern Saudi Arabia, with the intention of pre-emptively engaging the Byzantine army; the news, however, proved to be false. Though it was not a battle in the typical sense, nevertheless the event represented the first Arab attack on the Byzantines. It did not, however, lead immediately to a military confrontation.[8]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab–Byzantine_wars#Muslim_conquests.2C_634.E2.80.93718

He received intelligence that was false.

It was false but Muslims attacked the Byzantine empire anyway, and all of North Africa, and India, and Persia, and Europe (Spain, South-East-Europe, even France).
So was that all in defense?

I really want to hear your justification for Christians not being able to preach to Muslims. By the same standard, Muhammad should not have been allowed to preach to polytheists of his day.
You are in favor of oppression. You live in the UK. You can go to a Christian and tell him how great the Quran is and that he should convert. By your own standard you should not be able to do so because you live in a Muslim minority country.

 

[StarTrekVoyager]

I really want to hear your justification for Christians not being able to preach to Muslims. By the same standard, Muhammad should not have been allowed to preach to polytheists of his day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Bartholomew's_Day_massacre

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

Most of us that see good in Islam are from America, where we see firsthand the bad in Christianity lol

Which is not saying I see Christianity as a bad religion, I think both just have equal potential for good or for harm

Christianity is a bad religion. It teaches you that your own mother will burn in hell forever unless she believes in the same imaginary friend as you.
The difference is: The Christian faith in its first 300 years grew by pacifism, Islam by warfare/subjugation.
+Christians don't take their religion as serious anymore. I hope the same will be true for Islam but all signs point to the opposite. And your government is largely to blame for it by funding Jihadis from the Afghan-Sowjet war till now (mine is to blame as well).

 

[StarTrekVoyager]

Christianity is a bad religion. It teaches you that your own mother will burn in hell forever unless she believes in the same imaginary friend as you.
The difference is: The Christian faith in its first 300 years grew by pacifism, Islam by warfare/subjugation.
+Christians don't take their religion as serious anymore. I hope the same will be true for Islam but all signs point to the opposite. And your government is largely to blame for it by funding Jihadis from the Afghan-Sowjet war till now (mine is to blame as well).

You really have to watch TV docs about Islam. This is entirely false. The Muslims always tolerated the others having different religion. Cordoba is a great example of this cosmopolitan atmosphere.

 

[TheDarkGreninja]

It was false but Muslims attacked the Byzantine empire anyway, and all of North Africa, and India, and Persia, and Europe (Spain, South-East-Europe, even France).
So was that all in defense?

I really want to hear your justification for Christians not being able to preach to Muslims. By the same standard, Muhammad should not have been allowed to preach to polytheists of his day.
You are in favor of oppression. You live in the UK. You can go to a Christian and tell him how great the Quran is and that he should convert. By your own standard you should not be able to do so because you live in a Muslim minority country.

Those were not by Muhammed so it's unfair to suggest they were. So now, prove they were all done in absolute violent intent.

Thought I'd copy some hadith down:
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "Whoever usurps the land of somebody unjustly, his neck will be encircled with it down the seven earths (on the Day of Resurrection). "
- Bukhari 2452

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Whoever takes a piece of the land of others unjustly, he will sink down the seven earths on the Day of Resurrection
- Bukahri 2454

Christian's are not allowed to preach their religion as it is of Islamic belief that Islam is the one true religion. It would be irrational to allow people to tell people the one true religion is wrong in public. If they want to debate Islam that is completely within their right, but that is completely different to preaching the religion.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Bartholomew's_Day_massacre

So it was ok for Muhammad to have a double standard because of this random event 900 years later? And that's why it's ok to for DarkGreninja to have a double standard today?
I hope he has a better response...

 

[TheDarkGreninja]

Islam by warfare/subjugation

You've been claiming this for a while now, but I've provided a lot of evidence to suggest that if one were to do that they'd go to hell.

 

[deinonychus71]

no need to reply. You take everything on first degree. You feel you're right every time you speak. And yes you're not worth it and yes when you use Hitler for this or that everytime you're not agree, disqualify you and what you say.

Well I'm not going to say something if I don't believe it to be right, otherwise what's the point of debating?
What is this "everytime" you're talking about? I could basically say the same thing to you, you call the meme "everytime" someone calls you out for being fascist. I don't think that you realize that there ARE legitimate cases where it can be mentioned.

Answering the french stuff:
- I do judge people regarding certain topics, however I do not support any form of censorship like our beloved Valls tried to do for so long. I believe it to be counter productive, since you can't directly answer to people spreading alternative facts.
- Even if only 50% (you can say 1% but I'm gonna assume that's your first degree talking) of them are well integrated and are condemning ISIS attacks (which they do, some of them publicly), that's still 50% that aren't responsible. So yes, whenever people start blaming "the Muslims" as a whole they're basically accusing a decent amount of innocent people, which circles back to the H word.

One thing that is often completely ignored but is actually a hard proof that peaceful integration is perfectly possible: How old are the terrorists? Do you hear about Muslims from the first/second generation causing any trouble? These people have been in Europe for as long as any of us, never caused any issue while living their faith.
So please, let me know how accusing Muslims in general in France helping in any way. Not only does it not fix anything regarding terror attacks, but you are wrongly accusing those who otherwise would be on your side, people that have been there alongside us since before we were born. What good is it doing long term? What would be the solution to this problem if things were going your way, no first degree this time?

Like I said before, I do despise religions as a whole, I do believe they serve as the perfect excuse to justify atrocities. However the opposite is also true, they were and are still used to blame a community of people when it's convenient.

Just wish it was that easy to blame the NRA whenever a shooting happens .

 

[StarTrekVoyager]

Christian's are not allowed to preach their religion as it is of Islamic belief that Islam is the one true religion. It would be irrational to allow people to tell people the one true religion is wrong in public. If they want to debate Islam that is completely within their right, but that is completely different to preaching the religion.

Like when Protestants were massacred and killed and harrassed during the Renaissance.

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So it was ok for Muhammad to have a double standard because of this random event 900 years later? And that's why it's ok to for DarkGreninja to have a double standard today?
I hope he has a better response...

Niope, actually I was referring to other religions not being allowed. It has been the case in Christianity for centuries, Protestants were chased, killed, harrassed and massacred. In Islam, other religions have always been tolerated, until wahabbist countries like Dumbi Arabi of today decided to transform Islam into a shitstorm.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

You really have to watch TV docs about Islam. This is entirely false. The Muslims always tolerated the others having different religion. Cordoba is a great example of this cosmopolitan atmosphere.

Pls google "Cordoba myth". It is propaganda spread by groups like CAIR.
E.g.
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.de/2010/08/media-myth-of-cordoba.html

It's could even provide German main stream media articles.
But even if it were true, it's one time and place in history. It is certainly not true for Muhammad and the rightly guided caliphs (you could have your own religion but you could not preach to Muslims, for example) nor Sharia countries of today (e.g. Saudi Arabia).

 

[StarTrekVoyager]

Pls google "Cordoba myth". It is propaganda spread by groups like CAIR.
E.g.
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.de/2010/08/media-myth-of-cordoba.html

It's could even provide German main stream media articles.
But even if it were true, it's one time and place in history. It is certainly not true for Muhammad and the rightly guided caliphs (you could have your own religion but you could not preach to Muslims, for example) nor Sharia countries of today (e.g. Saudi Arabia).

I have many examples of this. When the Ottoman Turks invaded Constantinople, there was a similar privileged status for Christians and Jews. In Morocco also, Jews have always been protected by the kingdom, especially during WWII, where the king Muhammad V said to Pétain to go fuck himself when asked to make Jewish people wear yellow stars.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Like when Protestants were massacred and killed and harrassed during the Renaissance.

And when Spanish "missionaries" pillaged and raped the Native American population in the name of the Catholic church

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

Christian's are not allowed to preach their religion as it is of Islamic belief that Islam is the one true religion.

And you are in favor of this?
Did you know that as a Muslim you can fast during Ramadan in China, but you better do it at home. In schools teachers sometimes tell (or even force) their Muslim students to drink something. And I'm not sure whether Muslims can preach Islam, let's say they can't. I also once read articles about Muslims and Christians being arrested for praying publicly. Is that alright with you then?
Because atheism is the "one true belief" there.

 

[TheDarkGreninja]

And you are in favor of this?
Did you know that as a Muslim you can fast during Ramadan in China, but you better do it at home. In schools teachers sometimes tell (or even force) their Muslim students to drink something. And I'm not sure whether Muslims can preach Islam, let's say they can't. I also once read articles about Muslims and Christians being arrested for praying publicly. Is that alright with you then?
Because atheism is the "one true belief" there.

If they want to impose their laws like that, then that's them. Whether or not I disagree is an entirely different affair.
I don't believe in interfering with the beliefs and laws of other countries as long as we can all get along.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

If they want to impose their laws like that, then that's them. Whether or not I disagree is an entirely different affair.
I don't believe in interfering with the beliefs and laws of other countries as long as we can all get along.

Very good mindset.
Then even we can get along.
Cheers.

 

[TheDarkGreninja]

Very good mindset.
Then even we can get along.
Cheers.

Just for the record, I don't dislike you for disagreeing with me. You seem like a genuine and cool guy

 

[Joe88]

Another terrorist attack this time in paris
A man yelled "this is for syria" while he attacked police officers with a hammer, he was then shot by armed police officers but is expected to survive, he had other weapons on him including knives

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/gunshots-reported-notre-dame-cathedral-10571295

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

"Tourists and locals piled into the cathedral after hearing the gunshots."
Did they think God would help them? I would not go into a public building in a situation like that. Choose a certain direction an run. Or maybe the Cathedral is always protected by police, I don't know.

UK should learn from it an equip their police with guns (and train them, of course).

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Another terrorist attack this time in paris
A man yelled "this is for syria" while he attacked police officers with a hammer, he was then shot by armed police officers but is expected to survive, he had other weapons on him including knives

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/gunshots-reported-notre-dame-cathedral-10571295

What did the shooter mean by "this is for Syria"?... as far as I'm aware France hasn't really done anything one way or another towards them, other than accepting refugees which could be considered a positive thing

Sounds like a line wolf nutjob

 

[ned]

I honestly don't know how religion in any shape or form ever begot to become a thing,
humanity didn't need it to survive dinosaurs or the ice age so why do we need it in
the modern world? isn't time we looked after eachover better instead of killing one another over trivial waste that nobody can 100% prove and be done with religion altogether.

Ok they might of prayed to the stars now again but that was because they where either bored shitless or going delusional from lack of food / water, further up the timeline people started worshiping animals as gods, see where i'm going with this?

And just for the sake of argument why do we even need religion if a god does exist are they that vain that they need to be constantly worshipped by some set out rules? rules more than likely setup to groom others by currupt bastards / secret societies, if I want to worship my god why can't I do it by on my own by my own rules it's my god afterall.

I guess some people are just easily lead and can't cope without feeling wanted / needed so they brainwash
themselves and others into believing in things that don't exist in a blind effort to keep sane.