Introducing NINJHAX - A Nintendo 3DS Homebrew Exploit!

[Drak0rex]

As Smealum said months ago, you can't patch a physical cartridge.


See above.

So Nintendo couldn't patch the 3ds that cartridge is running on to access the data differently? (Think MK7 having the shortcut patched out)

 

[Qtis]

So Nintendo couldn't patch the 3ds that cartridge is running on to access the data differently? (Think MK7 having the shortcut patched out)

It's possible to patch the 3DS firmware itself to detect the file(s) needed to launch the exploit. That's what disabled the CycloDS iEvolution (and all other methods for the cooking coach exploit) from booting with the DSi. The new firmware detected the modified save file and automatically deleted the file. This made it impossible for the console to boot into the exploit with the iEvo.

 

[Steena]

So Nintendo couldn't patch the 3ds that cartridge is running on to access the data differently? (Think MK7 having the shortcut patched out)

Even if they did, what forces you to download this hypothetical update? The only time where you NEED to update a game is to play some games online through a mandatory patch, and even then you can still access the singleplayer portion regardless.

It's a physical cartridge, if it works when you pop it in the first time, it will work forever. They cannot sneak in something mandatory that breaks it, they will face major legal issues since that's completely illegal.

 

[rdurbin]

So Nintendo couldn't patch the 3ds that cartridge is running on to access the data differently? (Think MK7 having the shortcut patched out)

they could probably do that but would require the user to download the game update. A system update could possibly block the title from being played (but this this would prevent people that really bought the game to play it from playing it)

 

[gypsynimrod]

You've been "working" with him since August and all you were all to extract was basic information? But outside of that, as a small tidbit, you need to work on your flow. This article or report or whatever it may be deemed is incredibly clunky and lacks any flow. Your "personality" gets in the way of the quality of what's written.

 

[cearp]

they could probably do that but would require the user to download the game update. A system update could possibly block the title from being played (but this this would prevent people that really bought the game to play it from playing it)

i'm sure they are able to patch the actual firmware to fix it, i doubt the only way is to deliver a game update.
a bit like psp fixes exploitable games, you can still RUN the games, but they are fixed in the firmware. sure it's a different console but i would think nintendo could do something similar

 

[Nathan Drake]

You've been "working" with him since August and all you were all to extract was basic information?

Working with doesn't equal full disclosure. What, were you expecting a detailed look into how exploit was formed, the code used, etc.? Ryu told you what the exploit was, what it was compatible with, gave a sample of functional homebrew and that it can run in 3D, explained that other homebrew projects are in the work, that emulators are possible, that running 3DS game backups is not possible, told you how the exploit is enabled, told you that the exploit game is available digitally and physically, and even hinted that it was relatively inexpensive.

You literally got all of the information you could possibly need and benefit from except the name of the exploit game and a download link to the exploit.

 

[CuriousTommy]

This is very awesome news indeed! I wonder if this can be a good reason to import a n3ds and hack it? I was thinking of hacking my old 3ds but I spend all my amazon gift cards on something else... The only thing I need to do is try to convince my parents. That may be a challenge...

I hope that I am able to backup my 3ds and ds games (To make things clear, I never said I want to play backup on my 3ds. I only want to save all my games on the computer for game mod, emulators, etc.). Nonetheless, I am excited!

 

[cdoty]

TJHeartnote: If I disclosed the price, and given what I have discussed in this topic, the game actually is a bit obvious once you do a bit of searching. I apologize but I can't disclose that information. A few more days.

How about ballpark?

Do I need to...
A) Skip a trip to Starbucks
B) Skip a steak dinner
C) Skip a drinking binge
D) Skip a tank of gas

 

[Zidapi]

Only if you go online, other than that, there'd be no way to them to actually remove the game from your console.

True. But no online is a pretty steep price to pay for a homebrew enabled 3DS.

Not asking for the name bur how much is this title going to cost? Give people time to get the money to buy the title.

I can assure you with certainty confidence that the game will cost less than $50USD

sure you can't patch the cart, but a new 3ds update could in turn fix it behind the scenes. it doesn't mean you can update willy nilly

Yes, obviously. It concerns me that this even needs to said, it's modern console hacking 101.

 

[cearp]

Yes, obviously. It concerns me that this even needs to said, it's modern console hacking 101.

i hope you don't get too concerned, it's not important in the whole scheme of things we call life.

 

[CynicalController]

Right when I sign up to help dig for 3ds Homebrew info, I see this. Kudos to the creator for finding an exploit to Homebrew.

 

[Super.Nova]

I only have one comment...
YOU GUYS ROCK!!!

 

[ElYubiYubi]

It's possible to patch the 3DS firmware itself to detect the file(s) needed to launch the exploit. That's what disabled the CycloDS iEvolution (and all other methods for the cooking coach exploit) from booting with the DSi. The new firmware detected the modified save file and automatically deleted the file. This made it impossible for the console to boot into the exploit with the iEvo.

Thanks. Always wondered what happened to that FlashCart. It used to be the best one available but then it just disapeared.

 

[Zidapi]

Except iirc he said the game is around $10 so if you just want homebrew it would be cheaper to buy the game, and I wouldn't waste a slot on sky3ds for a game that would only cost like £7-10 anyway

That's about what I paid for my copy, though i have seen copies in local stores for around $30.

So Nintendo couldn't patch the 3ds that cartridge is running on to access the data differently? (Think MK7 having the shortcut patched out)

Sure they can. But you still have to download and install the patch, they can't patch it remotely. With titles such as Mario Kart they usually restrict you from playing online until you update. There's no such incentive to update exploit game and thus, no motivation to install a potential patch.

It's possible to patch the 3DS firmware itself to detect the file(s) needed to launch the exploit. That's what disabled the CycloDS iEvolution (and all other methods for the cooking coach exploit) from booting with the DSi. The new firmware detected the modified save file and automatically deleted the file. This made it impossible for the console to boot into the exploit with the iEvo.

An excellent point. If memory serves, this happened with the Wii and the Twilight Princess save exploit. But you still need to install said exploit blocking update. So they *can* block it, with your permission.

 

[NicEXE]

I sent a tweet to smea earlier today and got a response. He said it's a retail and eshop game but, the eshop game isn't in all regions.

obviously get the cartridge if possible. Eshop titles can get removed and only the patched version would be available. Just like what happened with DSi

 

[Jayro]

Will this exploitable game be a retail cartridge, or an eShop game? If it's an eShop title, It will be SudoHax all over again. :/

 

[cearp]

Will this exploitable game be a retail cartridge, or an eShop game? If it's an eShop title, It will be SudoHax all over again. :/

both, not eshop in all regions though

 

[Jayro]

Sweet. But I expect Nintendo will pull the eShop version immediately, like they did with Sudoku.

 

[ChrisCurious]

It requires a Nintendo 3DS. It could be a regular 3DS, or it could be the New Nintendo 3DS.

Just to be clear, it works with the XL versions and the 2DS too, right?