Homebrew pimp my wii - yay or nay?

[tswntk]

I never used Pimp My Wii myself and don't know about the bad history or it.

But I am skeptical about an automated program thats trying to do things with a potential to "brick" things
I still remember the Waninkoko instance and as a result, I refuse to use any installer on the Wii unless its well proven with a specific version (yes, I have not use D2x installer yet since I got better alternative)
Look at Darkcorp, the idea wasn't bad but was doing too many unnecessary stuffs by today's standard.

With every new release of these kind of programs, a simple mistake (typo or whatever) in the source code, can cause a disaster. Unless they are well tested before being released.
Look at those noobs who come here asking for help because of ancient/youtube guides, who knows where they will get Pimp My Wii.

So, if you recommend Pimp My Wii, fine, but please at lease provide a link to the proven versions you used.

Back when I got my Wii and tried to softmod it, I find the info on the Internet is confusing and contradicting, it took me a full year to study and learn the principals before I actually softmod my Wii and thats before Modmii appears. I don't think many ppl are as patient as me...

Now when Modmii came, I become addicted to it.

 

[Cyan]

it took me a full year to study and learn the principals

That's why I recommend people to learn instead of using automation.
That's why I would prefer people to teach and explain instead of telling other users to "just use modmii" or "just use PimpMyWii" or "just use xxxxx"
Explain things, redirect users to guide where they first learn how their console is working internally, and they will understand why they are doing things, they will better report problems and get better helps.

For example, take the time to write a little paragraph if no guide exists yet, or redirect to an existing post from someone else. I quickly explained what IOS are here, no need to put a lot of details, it helped the user, and probably many other visitors.

If you don't have time to help, don't try to be the first one to answer "just use ... common tools name" as if it was common knowledge, or like you are bored of answering the same question over and over. Someone else can help better.

 

[Arm73]

Does anybody have a download link to the latest stable PimpMyWii ?
I've hacked my Wii several times an used Syscheck in conjunction with Modmii to make sure everything is up-to-date, but still I'd like to run a scan with pimpmywii at leat once to see if it finds anything else worth updating.
Cheers.

 

[Cyan]

Don't fix what's not broken?
If you don't need something why would you want it?

I'm on system menu 3.2, I don't need system menu 4.1, I don't need korean IOS, I don't need IOS15, I don't need DQX IOS, why would I want them installed? it would take space for nothing.


You don't need to "add missing elements", it's not missing if you don't need them.

 

[JoostinOnline]

Don't fix what's not broken?
If you don't need something why would you want it?

I'm on system menu 3.2, I don't need system menu 4.1, I don't need korean IOS, I don't need IOS15, I don't need DQX IOS, why would I want them installed? it would take space for nothing.


You don't need to "add missing elements", it's not missing if you don't need them.

I would like to point out that 4.1 is very useful for most people, so generally I do recommend installing it.

 

[Arm73]

Don't fix what's not broken?
If you don't need something why would you want it?

I'm on system menu 3.2, I don't need system menu 4.1, I don't need korean IOS, I don't need IOS15, I don't need DQX IOS, why would I want them installed? it would take space for nothing.


You don't need to "add missing elements", it's not missing if you don't need them.

You are absolutely right , no question about it, I totally dig the "if it ain't broken don't fix it " type of mentality.
However since I was manually screwing with my Wii before, by installing cios and multiple versions of d2x , and repeatedly updated it with Modmii according to syscheck, then modified some more cios to make them work with RawkSD , I'd just like to run an additional scan with Pimpmywii ( kind of a doctor's second opinion ) to see if there are any vulnerability or redundant stuff left beyond.
Just out of curiosity that's all.

EDIT:

OK, I downloaded the latest pimpmywii ( 3.1 )
To be clear, I'm on 4.2U and according to syscheck and Modmii my Wii softmod is up to date.
I also have an original Wiikey modchip installed and I can play burned games just fine, even GC games with aidio stream.
I simply performed a test with pimpmywii and here's the result :

- First, it asked me if I wanted to be able to run trucha signed games on DVD from Disc Channel ( provided my Wii was before ending 2009 and has a modchip ) , if I press A = No, if B then Pimp will propose to patch every Ios, I answered No.

- IOS 36 has the ES_Identify bug corrected, since a lot of homebrew use this bug to be effective ( like preloader and priiloader ) they might not function correctly.

- No cIOS 222 v5.1 found. This is useful in games with instruments and Mplayer.

- No cIOS 223 v5.1 found. This is useful in games with instruments and Mplayer.

- I don't have cMIOS, Can't play GC backups ( don't care I have a Wiikey installed )

- End of scan.


Here's an automated scan report from PimpmyWii :

Pimp v3.01
IOS 250. HW_AHBPROT
Device ID 286e1bc
Boot2 v4
Boot1 hash ef3ef7819608d56df5679a6f92e13f78bbddfdf
Common key ebe42a225e8593e448d9c5457381aaf7
NG id 286e1bc
NG private key 1c1f86acb0c3bb1c2e788782487cc91e6a24350cd20c0b125dfdf44baac2e7627ae5579
NAND HMAC baac2e7627ae55799b8332842944cbf7183c6eab
NAND key 6345fe9a5e69dc9360cd6c3f5940d410
RND KEY 8348c795f45bf9a352cb53456b2cd952
Priiloader installed
IOS 0 v0 Modified
System menu (System menu 4.2U)v481 (Use IOS 70) Original
IOS 4 v65280 Original stub
IOS 9 v1034 Original
IOS 10 v768 Original stub
IOS 11 (source 60) v16174 (source rev 6174) Modified
IOS 12 v526 Original
IOS 13 v1032 Original
IOS 14 v1032 Original
IOS 15 v1032 Original
IOS 16 v512 Original stub
IOS 17 v1032 Original
IOS 20 (source 60) v16174 (source rev 6174) Modified
IOS 21 v1039 Original
IOS 22 v1294 Original
IOS 28 v1807 Original
IOS 30 (source 60) v16174 (source rev 6174) Modified
IOS 31 v3608 Original
IOS 33 v3608 Original
IOS 34 v3608 Original
IOS 35 v3608 Original
IOS 36 v3608 Original
IOS 37 v5663 Original
IOS 38 v4124 Original
IOS 40 (source 60) v16174 (source rev 6174) Modified
IOS 41 v3607 Original
IOS 43 v3607 Original
IOS 45 v3607 Original
IOS 46 v3607 Original
IOS 48 v4124 Original
IOS 50 (source 60) v16174 (source rev 6174) Modified Trucha Downgrade ES_Identify Nand access
IOS 51 v4864 Original stub
IOS 52 (source 60) v16174 (source rev 6174) Modified
IOS 53 v5663 Original
IOS 55 v5663 Original
IOS 56 v5662 Original
IOS 57 v5919 Original
IOS 58 v6176 Original
IOS 60 v16174 (source rev 6174) Modified Trucha Downgrade ES_Identify Nand access
IOS 61 v5662 Original
IOS 62 v6430 Original
IOS 70 (source 60) v16174 (source rev 6174) Modified Trucha Downgrade ES_Identify Nand access
IOS 80 (source 60) v16174 (source rev 6174) Modified Trucha Downgrade ES_Identify Nand access
IOS 202 (source 60) (hermesrodries 60 v6 )v65535 Modified Trucha ES_Identify Nand access
IOS 222 (source 38) (hermes 38 v4 )v4 Modified Trucha ES_Identify Nand access
IOS 223 (source 75) (hermes 75 v4 )v4 Modified Trucha ES_Identify Nand access
IOS 224 (source 57) (hermesrodries 57 v6 )v65535 Modified Trucha ES_Identify Nand access
IOS 236 v65535 Modified Trucha Downgrade ES_Identify Nand access
IOS 247 (source 53) (d2x 53 v9 beta(r47))v21009 Modified
IOS 248 (source 55) (d2x 55 v9 beta(r47))v21009 Modified
IOS 249 (source 56) (d2x 56 v10 beta53-alt)v21010 Modified Trucha Downgrade ES_Identify Nand access
IOS 250 (source 57) (d2x 57 v10 beta53-alt)v21010 Modified Trucha Downgrade ES_Identify
IOS 254 v65281 Modified stub
BC v6 Original
MIOS v10 Original
00010001-44574641 DWFA  (Downloaded channels) v512 (Use IOS 58) Modified
00010001-45414a45 EAJE  (Downloaded channels) v2 (Use IOS 33) Modified
00010001-46415445 FATE  (Downloaded channels) v1 (Use IOS 9) Modified
00010001-46424345 FBCE  (Downloaded channels) v2 (Use IOS 9) Modified
00010001-46454e45 FENE  (Downloaded channels) v0 (Use IOS 53) Modified
00010001-48414445 HADE  (Downloaded channels) v1024 (Use IOS 55) Original
00010001-48434c45 HCLE  (Downloaded channels) v1539 (Use IOS 56) Original
00010001-48435145 HCQE  (Downloaded channels) v2 (Use IOS 56) Original
00010001-48435845 HCXE  (Downloaded channels) v0 (Use IOS 56) Original
00010001-4a414c45 JALE  (Downloaded channels) v1 (Use IOS 9) Modified
00010001-4a414d45 JAME  (Downloaded channels) v2 (Use IOS 9) Modified
00010001-4a415645 JAVE  (Downloaded channels) v2 (Use IOS 21) Modified
00010001-4a415a59 ES_GetStoredTMDSize & ISFS_Open failed : -106
00010001-4a425345 JBSE  (Downloaded channels) v1 (Use IOS 21) Modified
00010001-4a434245 JCBE  (Downloaded channels) v1 (Use IOS 33) Modified
00010001-4d425245 MBRE  (Downloaded channels) v1 (Use IOS 21) Modified
00010001-4e414245 NABE  (Downloaded channels) v1 (Use IOS 9) Modified
00010001-4e415545 ES_GetStoredTMDSize & ISFS_Open failed : -106
00010001-50414545 PAEE  (Downloaded channels) v1 (Use IOS 9) Modified
00010001-5141444c QADL  (Downloaded channels) v0 (Use IOS 33) Modified
00010001-5141504a QAPJ  (Downloaded channels) v0 (Use IOS 33) Modified
00010001-534e4553 SNES  (Downloaded channels) v512 (Use IOS 35) Modified
00010001-55435846 UCXF  (Downloaded channels) v512 (Use IOS 58) Modified
00010001-554e454f UNEO  (Downloaded channels) v512 (Use IOS 58) Modified
00010001-57324d45 W2ME  (Downloaded channels) v2 (Use IOS 53) Original
00010001-57413250 WA2P  (Downloaded channels) v2 (Use IOS 33) Modified
00010001-57424b45 WBKE  (Downloaded channels) v2 (Use IOS 55) Original
00010001-57425145 WBQE  (Downloaded channels) v2 (Use IOS 35) Modified
00010001-57435650 WCVP  (Downloaded channels) v5 (Use IOS 56) Original
00010001-57443945 WD9E  (Downloaded channels) v2 (Use IOS 53) Original
00010001-57444845 WDHE  (Downloaded channels) v0 (Use IOS 33) Modified
00010001-57444f45 WDOE  (Downloaded channels) v0 (Use IOS 53) Original
00010001-57455145 WEQE  (Downloaded channels) v4 (Use IOS 53) Modified
00010001-57474450 WGDP  (Downloaded channels) v257 (Use IOS 55) Original
00010001-5749564a WIVJ  (Downloaded channels) v256 (Use IOS 37) Modified
00010001-574c4d45 WLME  (Downloaded channels) v3 (Use IOS 56) Modified
00010001-574c5745 WLWE  (Downloaded channels) v1 (Use IOS 33) Modified
00010001-574f4245 WOBE  (Downloaded channels) v0 (Use IOS 33) Modified
00010001-57505245 WPRE  (Downloaded channels) v0 (Use IOS 33) Modified
00010001-57524c50 WRLP  (Downloaded channels) v7 (Use IOS 56) Original
00010001-57544d45 WTME  (Downloaded channels) v2 (Use IOS 55) Modified
00010001-57575245 WWRE  (Downloaded channels) v257 (Use IOS 55) Original
00010001-af1bf516 Homebrew Channel (Downloaded channels) v0 (Use IOS 58) Modified
00010002-48414141 HAAA Photo Channel (System channels) v2 (Use IOS 13) Original
00010002-48414241 HABA Shoping Channel (System channels) v21 (Use IOS 56) Original
00010002-48414341 HACA Mii Channel (System channels) v6 (Use IOS 31) Original
00010002-48414641 HAFA Weather Channel (1/2) (System channels) v3 (Use IOS 13) Original
00010002-48414645 HAFE Weather Channel (2/2) (System channels) v7 (Use IOS 31) Original
00010002-48414741 HAGA News Channel (1/2) (System channels) v3 (Use IOS 13) Original
00010002-48414745 HAGE News Channel (2/2) (System channels) v7 (Use IOS 31) Original
00010002-48415941 HAYA Photo Channel 1.1 (System channels) v3 (Use IOS 61) Original
00010004-52465050 RFPP  (Games channels) v0 (Use IOS 53) Original
00010004-524d4345 RMCE  (Games channels) v0 (Use IOS 36) Original
00010005-72394a45 r9JE  (Downloaded Game Content) v4 (Use IOS 56) Original
00010005-735a4145 sZAE  (Downloaded Game Content) v18 (Use IOS 37) Original
00010005-735a4245 sZBE  (Downloaded Game Content) v26 (Use IOS 37) Original
00010005-735a4345 sZCE  (Downloaded Game Content) v27 (Use IOS 37) Original
00010005-735a4445 sZDE  (Downloaded Game Content) v33 (Use IOS 37) Original
00010008-48414b45 HAKE EULA (Hidden channels) v3 (Use IOS 56) Original
00010008-48414b50 HAKP EULA (Hidden channels) v2 (Use IOS 31) Original
00010008-48414c45 HALE  (Hidden channels) v2 (Use IOS 31) Original
00010008-48414c50 HALP  (Hidden channels) v2 (Use IOS 31) Original
00010008-57494948 WIIH  (Hidden channels) v1 (Use IOS 58) Modified
Homebrews SD
USBLoader version 70 (release)
wiituka version 0.98.6
bluemsx-wii version V1.0.3
frodo version 2.4.1
colem version 1.0
fbzx-wii version 10.3
fceugx version 3.3.4
genplus-gx version 1.7.4
hugo version 100613
snes9xgx version 4.3.2
wiixl version 0.1
uae version 9.1
pimp_my_wii version 3.01

That's all. Now should I modify anything on my Wii? I still play a lot of GH and RB games, and I can't remember if I intentionally corrected the IOS 36 bug to run RawkSD.
What would you guys recommend ?

 

[Cyan]

I would like to point out that 4.1 is very useful for most people, so generally I do recommend installing it.

I totally understand recommending 4.1 to other users (instead of 4.3 etc.) because it still has region free for modchip. most users are past 3.2, so 4.1 is the best. It's just that I don't use the system menu anymore except for save/config menu, and 3.2 still has all the trucha bug IOSes without the need to patch them, I'm fine with them as long as everything works.

You are absolutely right , no question about it, I totally dig the "if it ain't broken don't fix it " type of mentality.
I simply performed a test with pimpmywii and here's the result :
- First, it asked me if I wanted to be able to run trucha signed games on DVD from Disc Channel ( provided my Wii was before ending 2009 and has a modchip ) , if I press A = No, if B then Pimp will propose to patch every Ios, I answered No.
- IOS 36 has the ES_Identify bug corrected, since a lot of homebrew use this bug to be effective ( like preloader and priiloader ) they might not function correctly.
- No cIOS 222 v5.1 found. This is useful in games with instruments and Mplayer.
- No cIOS 223 v5.1 found. This is useful in games with instruments and Mplayer.
- I don't have cMIOS, Can't play GC backups ( don't care I have a Wiikey installed )
- End of scan.

That's all. Now should I modify anything on my Wii?

IOS36 is fine, you don't need to patch it as you already have IOS36 patched -> IOS236. It shouldn't ask to patch it if you already have 236
It asks you to update your Hermes to 5.1, but V4 is better, it should'nt recommend to replace all your IOS version to v5. I would recommend having a v4[38+60] but that's up to you.
And it cheks only your "222 not being 5.1", but what stops you to install 5.1 in 224 if you want it in that place? It should detects what you have, not impose slots!
cMIOS is not the only way to play GC backups, it should let you know. In that report it acts like if it was the only way.

You don't need to update anything, except maybe replace your slot 223 (which is weird : Base IOS 75 ?) to either v5.1 or v4
And I don't like IOS with maxed out version (65535), but it's only my preferences.

bostonBC
You see the kind of choice it asks, some of them are unneeded or old.
It didn't detects already present IOS (it only checks slot number with his own slot preferences, if user has already the said IOS but in another slot it suggest to install it again anyway).
It suggest to use cMIOS for GC, while there are other solutions.
It suggest to patch an official IOS (36) instead of using 236 (already present) even if the user answered to not patch them.

Ok, it didn't auto-patch without asking, it's only the checking option. But it's not completely trustable in my opinion, a human verification is still better.
I don't know what ModMii suggest, I never used it either. I think there's a "syscheck verifier", maybe we could see what modmii suggest.

 

[Arm73]

..............
I don't know what ModMii suggest, I never used it either. I think there's a "syscheck verifier", maybe we could see what modmii suggest.

Thank you very much for all the suggestions.
I also noticed I had things installed in several location and that report looks a little messy to me, that's why I intended to fix it for a long time ( like duplicate ios in different slots ).
On the same Wii, with the syscheck verifier in Modmii I get that everything is up to date and optionally I can install priiloader, which is already installed but apparently not verifiable.

I should point out that the first part of the report wasn't exactly copied and pasted, I had no means to to that and I re-typed it using my own words.
Regarding the cMIOS , Pimpmywii was merely stating that it's recommended to play GC backups, I used the word "can't play backups" , regardless I don't care because my Wii is hard chipped anyway.
If anybody with enough expertise could take a look at the full report I posted earlier and has further suggestions on modifications/elimination of obsolete stuff I'd really appreciate it.
It looks like there is too much stuff in there somehow......

 

[JoostinOnline]

I totally understand recommending 4.1 to other users (instead of 4.3 etc.) because it still has region free for modchip. most users are past 3.2, so 4.1 is the best. It's just that I don't use the system menu anymore except for save/config menu, and 3.2 still has all the trucha bug IOSes without the need to patch them, I'm fine with them as long as everything works.

Yeah, I get that. There are a lot of people who prefer 3.2. The only real downside for brick recovery is that you can't use Bannerbomb, but you can use the Twilight Hack.

Be careful about recommending using old IOS's though, because they won't work on newer Wii's and can lead to a full brick if you use the older version (non-stub, I'm too lazy to look it up) of IOS30.

You don't need to update anything, except maybe replace your slot 223 (which is weird : Base IOS 75 ?) to either v5.1 or v4

It should be left how it is. ModMii does that so SysCheck can identify it. It's actually 223[38+37]v4 (the hermes equivalent to d2x base 56). Prior to setting it as "75", SysCheck just identified it as 223[38]v4, making it appear as if you had the same IOS in 222 and 223.

hermes v5.1 rodries mod (aka hermes v6) can be slightly faster than v4 (particularly with IOS57 as the base), although you have to use a really slow game to notice the difference. The downside is that it has a lower compatibility with HDD's. I did quite a bit of research and testing (well the majority of the testing was done by other people, as I can't afford a million external HDD's) before I came up with the recommended cIOS setup.

 

[weatMod]

 

[filfat]

World War 3 have started in this topic!!!

 

[Ana-Hug]

Hei, excuseme ... i have some games running well on my usb loader, but i wish to play Zelda SkySword ... and simple i cant load it... i choose tha game and after a black sreem it returns to the menu.. i checked my game and stuff.. is something missing on wads or something... do you think i should use pimp my wii to make this word? or do you know something i need to install for play Zelda?

 

[JoostinOnline]

Use ModMii to download the recommended cIOS setup.