WiiU Master Race - Cancelled.

[Arras]

Well, I'm a Nintendo gamer and even I can see the Vita has more interesting stuff right now for me at least, especially if you have a PS3 with PS+. On the WiiU there's Nintendo Land and NSMBU, neither of which I really care about, more like 'it'd be nice to have', on the Vita there's Gravity Rush, maybe Persona 4 and a bunch of free PS+ games.

 

[KingVamp]

For people who haven't play them yet, there is 3rd party ports too, some of them came at the same time as the others. There is a lot of indie games.

More game announcements are coming. PAX is coming as well, so let's see if they got something there.

 

[heartgold]

The PSP undoubtedly benefited from the Monster Hunter games, but a console is not targeted at a particular franchises fans. Consider the games that represented the PSP's best output - RPGs, SRPGs and 3rd Person Action/Adventure. You're making claims that could equally be made about Metal Gear Solid or God of War. It's not a particular game but game genre's/styles that determine audiences. Believe it or not but fighting games were probably just as prevalent on the DS as the PSP.

Maybe I missed them but I don't see a deluge of RPG's, SRPG's and 3rd Person games (like Metal Gear, God of War, Daxter) on the 3DS.

3DS is young handheld compared to a 9 years old PSP. It has plenty of those genres considering the time in the market; you should see the rpg/srpg Japanese list, it's quite healthy. It's not a DS where it was limited in specs so devs can produce all different types of experiences.

 

[DSGamer64]

The best thing about having a Wii U is being able to sell it for a console with gaems. Cuz the Wii U has no gaems.

Implying that the Vita has games, because it has SFA for games in the West right now.

Also, sales figures aren't news. Who cares that the floundering fish that is the Vita outsold the Wii U? Maybe Vita fanboys care, but considering the Wii U is still relatively new and lacks quality games as much as the Vita does, it shouldn't come as a surprise that sales are slow.

But you could always thank Ubisoft for delaying Rayman Legends, the only good Wii U game coming out before the spring.

 

[xist]

3DS is young handheld compared to a 9 years old PSP.

The point is that you claimed it was taking the core PSP demographic from the Vita - in the Western markets you'd be hard pressed to prove that.

 

[emigre]

Implying that the Vita has games, because it has SFA for games in the West right now.

Also, sales figures aren't news. Who cares that the floundering fish that is the Vita outsold the Wii U? Maybe Vita fanboys care, but considering the Wii U is still relatively new and lacks quality games as much as the Vita does, it shouldn't come as a surprise that sales are slow.

But you could always thank Ubisoft for delaying Rayman Legends, the only good Wii U game coming out before the spring.

Is there truly no humour in your soul? Or at least some basic reading comprehension?

 

[DSGamer64]

Is there truly no humour in your soul? Or at least some basic reading comprehension?

I personally couldn't give two squirts of piss whether the Vita sold a couple thousand more units then the Wii U in Japan. People seem to act like Japan is the be all, end all of gaming and that what consumers there buy means the entire world shares the same opinion. The Wii U isn't struggling with sales, it's just not doing well and no one is surprised by it's struggles, just like no one is surprised the Vita is selling like shit too.

 

[emigre]

I personally couldn't give two squirts of piss whether the Vita sold a couple thousand more units then the Wii U in Japan. People seem to act like Japan is the be all, end all of gaming and that what consumers there buy means the entire world shares the same opinion. The Wii U isn't struggling with sales, it's just not doing well and no one is surprised by it's struggles, just like no one is surprised the Vita is selling like shit too.

This thread is meant to be a fucking joke. Why are people on this site so fucking stupid?

 

[Foxi4]

But you could always thank Ubisoft for delaying Rayman Legends, the only good Wii U game coming out before the spring.

Are you implying that Rayman Legends would magically improve WiiU sales?

Now, don't get me wrong, it's going to be a great game, no doubt, but Rayman Origins did not sell in zillions and certainly wasn't a system seller. It's on the PSVita and it doesn't seem like it's pushing the system forward - if you're expecting Legends to push the WiiU, you've got another thing coming.

Not many people gave a cluck about Rayman Origins or Legends and now that Legends was both delayed and announced to be Multiplatform, even less people will care for the WiiU version when PS3/360 versions will be readily available, nullifying the need to buy a new system just to play this game.

What the WiiU needs to triumph in Japan are JRPG's, what it needs to triumph in the West are core games, what it needs to triumph on a global scale are Mario, Zelda, Metroid and Pokemon. If those three conditions are met, we have another successful generation for Nintendo. If not, the sales will remain lackluster.

 

[heartgold]

The point is that you claimed it was taking the core PSP demographic from the Vita - in the Western markets you'd be hard pressed to prove that.

All strictly Japanese. I didn't mention western. Smart devices are more dominating there, hence the struggle of both handhelds. There's more core gamers in Japan who prefer dedicated gaming handhelds so either 3DS or the PSV has a shot winning them over to their next gen systems.

 

[ShadowSoldier]

Are you implying that Rayman Legends would magically improve WiiU sales?

Now, don't get me wrong, it's going to be a great game, no doubt, but Rayman Origins did not sell in zillions and certainly wasn't a system seller. It's on the PSVita and it doesn't seem like it's pushing the system forward - if you're expecting Legends to push the WiiU, you've got another thing coming.

Not many people gave a cluck about Rayman Origins or Legends and now that Legends was both delayed and announced to be Multiplatform, even less people will care for the WiiU version when PS3/360 versions will be readily available, nullifying the need to buy a new system just to play this game.

What the WiiU needs to triumph in Japan are JRPG's, what it needs to triumph in the West are core games, what it needs to triumph on a global scale are Mario, Zelda, Metroid and Pokemon. If those three conditions are met, we have another successful generation for Nintendo. If not, the sales will remain lackluster.

-People on MiiVerse actually posted they bought the WiiU solely for Rayman Legends.
-Rayman Origins was released in a shit part of the calendar which forced it to be buried by pretty much everything.

But then again, who cares, this data just shows what we already knew, there were no games for the WiiU for like January and February. March and beyond are looking good though with Monster Hunter, Need for Speed and Lego City Undercover coming out next month. Monster Hunter will definitely sell consoles. So I expect to see 3DS erupt and WiiU to sell a ton as well. If I had to guess though, I'd bet the WiiU would sell a bit more than the 3DS, or just as much as a lot of people already have a 3DS.

 

[xist]

All strictly Japanese.

I'm genuinely not trying to argue for the sake of it, but I honestly don't see the core PSP audience moving to the 3DS. For instance the 3DS is still really hurting for JRPG, many of which have limited appeal
http://www.gamefaqs.com/3ds/list-257?region=2&dist=1

With the Vita there's the ability to play both PSP and PSX RPG's made beautiful on the OLED, plus the Vita's own RPGs.

I'm not saying PSP owners won't have jumped ship, just that the 3DS isn't in fact any more attractive a jump than any other handheld. It's still more Nintendo-centric rather than Sony's more varied approach.

 

[Foxi4]

But then again, who cares, this data just shows what we already knew, there were no games for the WiiU for like January and February. March and beyond are looking good though with Monster Hunter, Need for Speed and Lego City Undercover coming out next month. Monster Hunter will definitely sell consoles. So I expect to see 3DS erupt and WiiU to sell a ton as well. If I had to guess though, I'd bet the WiiU would sell a bit more than the 3DS, or just as much as a lot of people already have a 3DS.

Neither Need for Speed nor Lego City are real system sellers, especially in Japan. As for Monster Hunter, it will surely sell systems, but I'm not entirely sold on the game myself. I mean, it's merely an expansion upon Monster Hunter Tri with HD graphics and extra content - it's the equivalent of PSP's Monster Hunter Freedom Unite/Monster Hunter Portable 2nd G which was practically Monster Hunter 2 with additional content.

 

[ShadowSoldier]

Neither Need for Speed nor Lego City are real system sellers, especially in Japan. As for Monster Hunter, it will surely sell systems, but I'm not entirely sold on the game myself. I mean, it's merely an expansion upon Monster Hunter Tri with HD graphics and extra content - it's the equivalent of PSP's Monster Hunter Freedom Unite/Monster Hunter Portable 2nd G which was practically Monster Hunter 2 with additional content.

Who knows what Lego City will do, it could be, I'd say give it a chance. Need for Speed though I agree, but I think it would help sell SOME consoles. But Monster Hunter will sell. I'm not a fan of the series, I tried the demo, tried Unite on the PSP, definitely not my type of game, but I know it will sell.

 

[heartgold]

I'm genuinely not trying to argue for the sake of it, but i honestly don't see the core PSP audience moving to the 3DS. For instance the 3DS is still really hurting for JRPG, many of which have limited appeal
http://www.gamefaqs.com/3ds/list-257?region=2&dist=1

With the Vita there's the ability to play both PSP and PSX RPG's made beautiful on the OLED, plus the Vita's own RPGs.

I'm not saying PSP owners won't have jumped ship, just that the 3DS isn't in fact any more attractive a jump than any other handheld. It's still more Nintendo-centric rather than Sony's more varied approach.

http://www.3ds/list-48?region=2&dist=1

Rpg list looks great to me with added SMT IV, DS soul hackers, DQ 7 and a few more compared to your short list for its short life. Sure the PSV has a backlog advantage but it doesn't look like PSP owners have jumped ship to it. People want to play new games I guess in which the 3DS is better at it than the Vita.

Speaking of RPGs, Bravely Default looks so beautiful and hot.

 

[xist]

http://www.3ds/list-48?region=2&dist=1

Except you've expanded your catch to include JRPGs that we weren't really discussing, those that weren't part of the PSP's core. I'm not disputing that the 3DS has some good games (in Japan) just that unlike you I don't see PSP owners naturally opting for the 3DS. It's not a natural fit, more of a forced one.
As for the Wii U, which is what the topic is about, the issue remains - at the moment who is it for? Who is it aimed at? Unless it gets some real support then PS4 and NextBox announcements may well erode confidence in it and leave it floundering.

 

[Foxi4]

The way I see it, there is some overlap between all consoles. Many Wii owners also own a PS3 or a 360, many PSP owners also own a DS or DSi and I don't see any reason at all as to why PSVita owners wouldn't want to own a 3DS just to get a more "complete" gaming experience, spanning across many genres.

Statistics speak in stereotypes - gamers who "Only play JRPG's" or "Only play Action Games" are just that - rare stereotypical figures.

Each platform and each genre has their core fan base, which is borderline fanatic. There are people who would never even consider getting a console from the competition's stable even if it dispensed free blowjobs because that's how they roll - those too are very stereotypical and very rare.

The great majority of gamers is relatively fluid - they either own several consoles, or to speak more broadly "several gaming platforms" or are easily swayed by another developer as long as the offering's good.

The UK is a fantastic example here - before Microsoft entered the scene, this was a very "fluid" area with a great variety of consoles. It stemmed from the past when personal computers were all the rage and "actual consoles" were very expensive imports. When you look at it now though, you see that it's for the most part "XBox Landia" - Microsoft gave a great offering of games and features in a package cheaper than the PS3 and more capable than the Wii, and as the user base grew, people increasingly wanted to play with other people. XBox Live became popular and before you know it, you just had to own a 360 to play with your friends since they already have 360'ties. It's very much a perpetual motion there.

What I'm trying to say is that a console has the ability to draw an entirely new audience, even if said audience owned different systems before as long as it has the Wow factor - it needs to be a great package overall and the 360 certainly was one. You won't sway the die hards - fanboys gonna be fanboys, but not everyone's die hard.

 

[J-Machine]

Can confirm.

I concur with his confirmation. Would also lke to add that far worse has been seen during my days as a cook in a "fancy" fast food place..

 

[Wombo Combo]

Dont own a Wii U but new Smash bros, Mario (3d), zelda game will sell systems.

 

[Bladexdsl]

god send this back to the EOF