The US is now at war with Iran

[Taleweaver]

Whelp, seems like the agreement probably isn't going to last. The strait is already being closed off again, as the bombing in Lebanon is escalating. Israel just bombed 10 villages and killed about 21 civilians. They're also reportedly using chemical warfare to remove people from their land, which is yet another war crime. Itamar Ben-Gvir, Israel's national security minister, just posted this:
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That isn't the language of someone who cares about seeking a lasting peace. Unless the US is able to rein in Israel in some way, they're going to continue to make things worse.

It's creepy how the rest of Israeli government can make Netanyahu look sane. But as long as the response from the USA or the rest of the world is silence, don't expect change soon.


(ps...Friday my daughter brought home a iron (perler) bead work from home... In the form of a David star. It wasn't her choice of form and she doesn't yet know the meaning, but this is like her proudly coming home with a self painted swastika ).

 

[ASSASSIN-Z]

So not just once, but twice at least.

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MAGA wants to go whataboutism with Obama? Let's talk abut Obama.

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Is this what they call winning?


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Technically speaking, neither the U.S. government under Barack Obama nor Donald Trump "gave" U.S. taxpayer money to Iran as a gift or a blank-check payment. Instead, the billions of dollars associated with both administrations involve unfreezing Iran’s own assets or settling decades-old legal disputes.
If we look at how much money Iran was granted access to via policy shifts, international agreements, and legal settlements under each president, the breakdown reveals a complex picture.

1. Under the Obama Administration​

During the Obama administration, two distinct financial events occurred regarding Iran:

The Iran Nuclear Deal (JCPOA)​

• What happened: In 2015, the U.S., alongside world powers, signed the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA). As part of the deal, international sanctions were lifted in exchange for Iran dismantling parts of its nuclear program.
• The Money: This unfroze an estimated $50 billion to $100 billion of Iran's own money. These assets were largely held in foreign banks (not U.S. banks) and had been frozen due to global sanctions.
• Note: President Donald Trump frequently claimed Obama gave Iran $150 billion in cash, but independent fact-checkers and the U.S. Treasury confirmed the actual usable amount of Iran's own unfrozen global assets was closer to $50 billion.

The $1.7 Billion Legal Settlement​

• What happened: In 2016, the U.S. settled a decades-old legal claim at the Hague. Before the 1979 Iranian Revolution, the Shah of Iran had paid the U.S. $400 million for military equipment that was never delivered after the regime fell.
• The Money: The Obama administration returned the $400 million principal plus $1.3 billion in compromised interest, totaling $1.7 billion. This was paid in foreign cash currency and flown to Iran because U.S. banking sanctions prohibited direct wire transfers.

2. Under the Trump Administration​

While President Trump initially took a "maximum pressure" approach and withdrew from the JCPOA in 2018—reimposing heavy sanctions—his administration's actions later shifted:

The Recent Memorandums & Unfrozen Assets​

• What happened: In diplomatic negotiations aiming for a new framework to curb Iran's nuclear and regional ambitions, the Trump administration engaged in agreements to unfreeze assets to secure concessions and regional stability.
• The Money: The U.S. agreed to the release of $25 billion of Iran's frozen assets held in foreign accounts (such as in Qatar), alongside separate regional financial channels (including billions unlocked via the UAE).

Summary Comparison​

[TR]
[td]Category[/td][td]Obama Administration[/td][td]Trump Administration[/td]
[/TR]
[TR]
[td]U.S. Taxpayer Funds Given[/td][td]$0 (Money belonged to Iran or settled a pre-1979 debt)[/td][td]$0 (Money belonged to Iran)[/td]
[/TR]
[TR]
[td]Total Iranian Assets Unfrozen/Returned[/td][td]$50B – $101.7B (Via JCPOA sanctions relief & the $1.7B Hague settlement)[/td][td]$25B+ (Via newer diplomatic agreements and foreign account asset releases)[/td]
[/TR]

Ultimately, Iran regained access to more total capital during the Obama administration via the sweeping sanctions relief of the 2015 nuclear deal. However, both administrations utilized the strategic release of frozen Iranian funds as leverage for international diplomacy and hostage/prisoner releases.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

Technically speaking, neither the U.S. government under Barack Obama nor Donald Trump "gave" U.S. taxpayer money to Iran as a gift or a blank-check payment. Instead, the billions of dollars associated with both administrations involve unfreezing Iran’s own assets or settling decades-old legal disputes.
If we look at how much money Iran was granted access to via policy shifts, international agreements, and legal settlements under each president, the breakdown reveals a complex picture.

1. Under the Obama Administration​

During the Obama administration, two distinct financial events occurred regarding Iran:

The Iran Nuclear Deal (JCPOA)​

• What happened: In 2015, the U.S., alongside world powers, signed the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA). As part of the deal, international sanctions were lifted in exchange for Iran dismantling parts of its nuclear program.
• The Money: This unfroze an estimated $50 billion to $100 billion of Iran's own money. These assets were largely held in foreign banks (not U.S. banks) and had been frozen due to global sanctions.
• Note: President Donald Trump frequently claimed Obama gave Iran $150 billion in cash, but independent fact-checkers and the U.S. Treasury confirmed the actual usable amount of Iran's own unfrozen global assets was closer to $50 billion.

The $1.7 Billion Legal Settlement​

• What happened: In 2016, the U.S. settled a decades-old legal claim at the Hague. Before the 1979 Iranian Revolution, the Shah of Iran had paid the U.S. $400 million for military equipment that was never delivered after the regime fell.
• The Money: The Obama administration returned the $400 million principal plus $1.3 billion in compromised interest, totaling $1.7 billion. This was paid in foreign cash currency and flown to Iran because U.S. banking sanctions prohibited direct wire transfers.

2. Under the Trump Administration​

While President Trump initially took a "maximum pressure" approach and withdrew from the JCPOA in 2018—reimposing heavy sanctions—his administration's actions later shifted:

The Recent Memorandums & Unfrozen Assets​

• What happened: In diplomatic negotiations aiming for a new framework to curb Iran's nuclear and regional ambitions, the Trump administration engaged in agreements to unfreeze assets to secure concessions and regional stability.
• The Money: The U.S. agreed to the release of $25 billion of Iran's frozen assets held in foreign accounts (such as in Qatar), alongside separate regional financial channels (including billions unlocked via the UAE).

Summary Comparison​

[TR]
[td]Category[/td][td]Obama Administration[/td][td]Trump Administration[/td]
[/TR]
[TR]
[td]U.S. Taxpayer Funds Given[/td][td]$0 (Money belonged to Iran or settled a pre-1979 debt)[/td][td]$0 (Money belonged to Iran)[/td]
[/TR]
[TR]
[td]Total Iranian Assets Unfrozen/Returned[/td][td]$50B – $101.7B (Via JCPOA sanctions relief & the $1.7B Hague settlement)[/td][td]$25B+ (Via newer diplomatic agreements and foreign account asset releases)[/td]
[/TR]
Ultimately, Iran regained access to more total capital during the Obama administration via the sweeping sanctions relief of the 2015 nuclear deal. However, both administrations utilized the strategic release of frozen Iranian funds as leverage for international diplomacy and hostage/prisoner releases.

Chatgpt I see

 

[Sir Tortoise]

I think I prefer Dumbocrat, it reminds me of Dumbo the elephant which almost makes it sound fun. Whereas Dumocrat has literally nothing, just name calling for the sake of it.

Anyway

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Technically speaking, neither the U.S. government under Barack Obama nor Donald Trump "gave" U.S. taxpayer money to Iran as a gift or a blank-check payment. Instead, the billions of dollars associated with both administrations involve unfreezing Iran’s own assets or settling decades-old legal disputes.
If we look at how much money Iran was granted access to via policy shifts, international agreements, and legal settlements under each president, the breakdown reveals a complex picture.

1. Under the Obama Administration​

During the Obama administration, two distinct financial events occurred regarding Iran:

The Iran Nuclear Deal (JCPOA)​

• What happened: In 2015, the U.S., alongside world powers, signed the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA). As part of the deal, international sanctions were lifted in exchange for Iran dismantling parts of its nuclear program.
• The Money: This unfroze an estimated $50 billion to $100 billion of Iran's own money. These assets were largely held in foreign banks (not U.S. banks) and had been frozen due to global sanctions.
• Note: President Donald Trump frequently claimed Obama gave Iran $150 billion in cash, but independent fact-checkers and the U.S. Treasury confirmed the actual usable amount of Iran's own unfrozen global assets was closer to $50 billion.

The $1.7 Billion Legal Settlement​

• What happened: In 2016, the U.S. settled a decades-old legal claim at the Hague. Before the 1979 Iranian Revolution, the Shah of Iran had paid the U.S. $400 million for military equipment that was never delivered after the regime fell.
• The Money: The Obama administration returned the $400 million principal plus $1.3 billion in compromised interest, totaling $1.7 billion. This was paid in foreign cash currency and flown to Iran because U.S. banking sanctions prohibited direct wire transfers.

2. Under the Trump Administration​

While President Trump initially took a "maximum pressure" approach and withdrew from the JCPOA in 2018—reimposing heavy sanctions—his administration's actions later shifted:

The Recent Memorandums & Unfrozen Assets​

• What happened: In diplomatic negotiations aiming for a new framework to curb Iran's nuclear and regional ambitions, the Trump administration engaged in agreements to unfreeze assets to secure concessions and regional stability.
• The Money: The U.S. agreed to the release of $25 billion of Iran's frozen assets held in foreign accounts (such as in Qatar), alongside separate regional financial channels (including billions unlocked via the UAE).

Summary Comparison​

[TR]
[td]Category[/td][td]Obama Administration[/td][td]Trump Administration[/td]
[/TR]
[TR]
[td]U.S. Taxpayer Funds Given[/td][td]$0 (Money belonged to Iran or settled a pre-1979 debt)[/td][td]$0 (Money belonged to Iran)[/td]
[/TR]
[TR]
[td]Total Iranian Assets Unfrozen/Returned[/td][td]$50B – $101.7B (Via JCPOA sanctions relief & the $1.7B Hague settlement)[/td][td]$25B+ (Via newer diplomatic agreements and foreign account asset releases)[/td]
[/TR]
Ultimately, Iran regained access to more total capital during the Obama administration via the sweeping sanctions relief of the 2015 nuclear deal. However, both administrations utilized the strategic release of frozen Iranian funds as leverage for international diplomacy and hostage/prisoner releases.

This seems to be missing the 300 billion reconstitution fund, probably because it is too recent to be in the training data yet. Either way, it's probably a little too soon to stop the count, given the current political climate. Maybe ask ChatGPT again once/if Trump actually manages to achieve anything with this money.

 

[DiscostewSM]

Technically speaking, neither the U.S. government under Barack Obama nor Donald Trump "gave" U.S. taxpayer money to Iran as a gift or a blank-check payment. Instead, the billions of dollars associated with both administrations involve unfreezing Iran’s own assets or settling decades-old legal disputes.
If we look at how much money Iran was granted access to via policy shifts, international agreements, and legal settlements under each president, the breakdown reveals a complex picture.

1. Under the Obama Administration​

During the Obama administration, two distinct financial events occurred regarding Iran:

The Iran Nuclear Deal (JCPOA)​

• What happened: In 2015, the U.S., alongside world powers, signed the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA). As part of the deal, international sanctions were lifted in exchange for Iran dismantling parts of its nuclear program.
• The Money: This unfroze an estimated $50 billion to $100 billion of Iran's own money. These assets were largely held in foreign banks (not U.S. banks) and had been frozen due to global sanctions.
• Note: President Donald Trump frequently claimed Obama gave Iran $150 billion in cash, but independent fact-checkers and the U.S. Treasury confirmed the actual usable amount of Iran's own unfrozen global assets was closer to $50 billion.

The $1.7 Billion Legal Settlement​

• What happened: In 2016, the U.S. settled a decades-old legal claim at the Hague. Before the 1979 Iranian Revolution, the Shah of Iran had paid the U.S. $400 million for military equipment that was never delivered after the regime fell.
• The Money: The Obama administration returned the $400 million principal plus $1.3 billion in compromised interest, totaling $1.7 billion. This was paid in foreign cash currency and flown to Iran because U.S. banking sanctions prohibited direct wire transfers.

2. Under the Trump Administration​

While President Trump initially took a "maximum pressure" approach and withdrew from the JCPOA in 2018—reimposing heavy sanctions—his administration's actions later shifted:

The Recent Memorandums & Unfrozen Assets​

• What happened: In diplomatic negotiations aiming for a new framework to curb Iran's nuclear and regional ambitions, the Trump administration engaged in agreements to unfreeze assets to secure concessions and regional stability.
• The Money: The U.S. agreed to the release of $25 billion of Iran's frozen assets held in foreign accounts (such as in Qatar), alongside separate regional financial channels (including billions unlocked via the UAE).

Summary Comparison​

[TR]
[td]Category[/td][td]Obama Administration[/td][td]Trump Administration[/td]
[/TR]
[TR]
[td]U.S. Taxpayer Funds Given[/td][td]$0 (Money belonged to Iran or settled a pre-1979 debt)[/td][td]$0 (Money belonged to Iran)[/td]
[/TR]
[TR]
[td]Total Iranian Assets Unfrozen/Returned[/td][td]$50B – $101.7B (Via JCPOA sanctions relief & the $1.7B Hague settlement)[/td][td]$25B+ (Via newer diplomatic agreements and foreign account asset releases)[/td]
[/TR]
Ultimately, Iran regained access to more total capital during the Obama administration via the sweeping sanctions relief of the 2015 nuclear deal. However, both administrations utilized the strategic release of frozen Iranian funds as leverage for international diplomacy and hostage/prisoner releases.

So you prompted AI to talk only about frozen assets while dismissing the $300 billion Trump wants to give at the expense of the US taxpayer....

 

[titan_tim]

Technically speaking, neither the U.S. government under Barack Obama nor Donald Trump "gave" U.S. taxpayer money to Iran as a gift or a blank-check payment. Instead, the billions of dollars associated with both administrations involve unfreezing Iran’s own assets or settling decades-old legal disputes.
If we look at how much money Iran was granted access to via policy shifts, international agreements, and legal settlements under each president, the breakdown reveals a complex picture.

1. Under the Obama Administration​

During the Obama administration, two distinct financial events occurred regarding Iran:

The Iran Nuclear Deal (JCPOA)​

• What happened: In 2015, the U.S., alongside world powers, signed the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA). As part of the deal, international sanctions were lifted in exchange for Iran dismantling parts of its nuclear program.
• The Money: This unfroze an estimated $50 billion to $100 billion of Iran's own money. These assets were largely held in foreign banks (not U.S. banks) and had been frozen due to global sanctions.
• Note: President Donald Trump frequently claimed Obama gave Iran $150 billion in cash, but independent fact-checkers and the U.S. Treasury confirmed the actual usable amount of Iran's own unfrozen global assets was closer to $50 billion.

The $1.7 Billion Legal Settlement​

• What happened: In 2016, the U.S. settled a decades-old legal claim at the Hague. Before the 1979 Iranian Revolution, the Shah of Iran had paid the U.S. $400 million for military equipment that was never delivered after the regime fell.
• The Money: The Obama administration returned the $400 million principal plus $1.3 billion in compromised interest, totaling $1.7 billion. This was paid in foreign cash currency and flown to Iran because U.S. banking sanctions prohibited direct wire transfers.

2. Under the Trump Administration​

While President Trump initially took a "maximum pressure" approach and withdrew from the JCPOA in 2018—reimposing heavy sanctions—his administration's actions later shifted:

The Recent Memorandums & Unfrozen Assets​

• What happened: In diplomatic negotiations aiming for a new framework to curb Iran's nuclear and regional ambitions, the Trump administration engaged in agreements to unfreeze assets to secure concessions and regional stability.
• The Money: The U.S. agreed to the release of $25 billion of Iran's frozen assets held in foreign accounts (such as in Qatar), alongside separate regional financial channels (including billions unlocked via the UAE).

Summary Comparison​

[TR]
[td]Category[/td][td]Obama Administration[/td][td]Trump Administration[/td]
[/TR]
[TR]
[td]U.S. Taxpayer Funds Given[/td][td]$0 (Money belonged to Iran or settled a pre-1979 debt)[/td][td]$0 (Money belonged to Iran)[/td]
[/TR]
[TR]
[td]Total Iranian Assets Unfrozen/Returned[/td][td]$50B – $101.7B (Via JCPOA sanctions relief & the $1.7B Hague settlement)[/td][td]$25B+ (Via newer diplomatic agreements and foreign account asset releases)[/td]
[/TR]
Ultimately, Iran regained access to more total capital during the Obama administration via the sweeping sanctions relief of the 2015 nuclear deal. However, both administrations utilized the strategic release of frozen Iranian funds as leverage for international diplomacy and hostage/prisoner releases.

If you go back in time and see what the far right was saying about Obama releasing 1.7 billion of the frozen funds, they were losing their shit! It was being played on Fox news on repeat, and the supporters ate it up. The video of pallets of money boarding a plane. No matter what you told them about it being frozen funds, and not the US's money, they wouldn't have any of it. They acted as if they were personally being stolen from.

Fast forward to nowadays, those same people suddenly understand what frozen funds mean. Nobody here once complained about them being tax payer funds, but we sure as heck pointed out the hypocrisy.

Although, as others are pointing out, there is also the issue of the 300 billion fund which WILL come from the US citizens as well as others. There's the easing of all sanctions. There's no supervised uranium enrichment plan. There's Iran and Oman's ability to charge fees for crossing the strait.

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It's creepy how the rest of Israeli government can make Netanyahu look sane. But as long as the response from the USA or the rest of the world is silence, don't expect change soon.

It feels like the administration is nearing the end of their acceptance of all the madness. JD has already come out and said that the US is their last ally, and they're at risk of losing that too. If the money and missiles stop flowing into that country, they'll be sitting ducks for all the countries that they ruthlessly attacked.

(ps...Friday my daughter brought home a iron (perler) bead work from home... In the form of a David star. It wasn't her choice of form and she doesn't yet know the meaning, but this is like her proudly coming home with a self painted swastika ).

I know the feeling. My kids go to a very high Jewish population school. My youngest often starts singing the dreidel song out of nowhere. My two neighbors, who are really nice people, have Israel flags up in their garages. I'll never bring up the topic of the war with them, because I don't want to ruin our friendly morning conversations.