The US is now at war with Iran

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Iran threatened to bomb Israel's desalination plants, which is within their capabilities, and it's where Israel gets 97% of their drinking water from. Zero planning or due diligence went into this war, and so it was already lost before it begun.
Certainly looks like Israel has dirt on Trump, enough to make him do whatever they want, including backing off when they are at risk.
 
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Iran is not making jack shit anymore.At least not in this war.Their Fattah missiles are running low.Every factory capable of manufacturing any piece (md engine,electronic gps tracker,metal body) is in ruble now.Centcom showed several of them in ruins.thats why you have noticed the very low missile/drone launched have decreased by 80 percent.Most of their strike now involves Israel and UAE.Their most capable sejjil and khorramshahr are expensive and few and only used for high value target.
The only strategy they use now is swarm tactics with their cheap Shahed 136 (estimates vary from 3000 to 5000 max).
they have Fath-360 with a maximum range of 120 kilometers (km), Fateh-110 with a maximum range of 300km, the Zolfaghar with a maximum range of 700km, and the medium-range Haj Qasem ballistic missile with a maximum range of 1,400 km.
The azerbeijan border is closely monitored in case of military resupply.Iran airfield now is completely dominated and vulnerable.
Wow, this is a huge bunch of Gish gallop! Luckily on the net, we can take it piece by piece.

While the types of missiles and ranges are accurate, everything else is purely speculative. There are zero reports of their factories being unable to make weapons. Their military industry is decentralized, dispersed, and underground. Unless you're in the intelligence agency of one of these countries, you're relying on pure speculation / hope.

Centcom never shows the full picture of what's happening, just like Israel is stopping videos of their iron dome failing to stop bombardments. Everyone cherry-picks their propaganda. It's up to us to look at the larger picture and see what is happening overall, and all I see is Trump crying for help to his allies (Whom he previously insulted).
Oil supplies are being diverted in 2 places,UAE and Saudi Arabia are using their pipeline to bab el mandab and straight of hormuz lower region.Theres 400 millions barrel to anticipate prices going to 200 dollar.Strait of hormuz is not gonna close forever too.2 USS are gonna start closing in Kharj Island.Funny how americans dont trust their military now...
More speculation with zero backing it up.

Iran doesnt have nor ever will manage to build 240.000 drones.Russia itself doesnt have that many.Iran drondes uses a modified chinese diesel engine that needs huge factory to build en masse.
You're missing the point. They're getting billions which they can use to fight. Russia has brought in tons of mercenaries from Africa/China/North Korea. Billions of dollars can do a LOT for a war machine.

There will be no war of attrition like most people think,either Iran open the strait or they will lose 90 percent of their economy (Kharj island flattened).
You'd be surprised how religious ideology and stubbornness can cause people to not do what is rational.
This regime doesnt understand politics,only the stick.They were fertlising uranium to 60% since the 2005 and pretending to negotiate for a deal (usual persian carpet knitting tactic).Kenya boy gave them so many opportunities to destroy the region.
This.... well this is just pure propaganda being regurgitated.

Without trump striking Suleimani and abu mehdi el muhendiss,youll be counting dead us soldiers in the region.
That count started a few weeks ago. There will be more coming though.

This war is not just another war,its a very region shifting war in the region.While usa did say they wanted a regime change,they know that its very hard without troops on ground in teheran,an impossible mission since the Basij control the main cities,theres however glimpse of a regime change through 3 options: The arab Ahwaz insurrection in khozestan,the Kurd in kermanshah and the blush in blushistan.These three minorities when armed could completely change the game.
It's a HUGE war on one of the largest countries in the area. No doubt about it! Too bad the "peace" president just went in without a real plan. Didn't get any buy-in from allied countries. Didn't get proper intelligence, which got 170 children killed in their school. Didn't think that Iran could hold the straight.

There are lots of things that COULD happen, but that's just wishful thinking. Until these hypotheticals happen, we're stuck with the current FUBAR situation.
USA is gonna lose some money on this war,but its gonna ease tension on the region in the long run.
Again, wishful thinking. That was what they said for Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria. I'm not against regime change in Iran. If Trump pulls that off with how things are going so far, it'll be a damn miracle.
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Iran threatened to bomb Israel's desalination plants, which is within their capabilities, and it's where Israel gets 97% of their drinking water from. Zero planning or due diligence went into this war, and so it was already lost before it begun.
I'd be surprised if either of the countries start doing that. If those become targets, the entire area would devolve into mass chaos in a week.
 
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I'd be surprised if either of the countries start doing that. If those become targets, the entire area would devolve into mass chaos in a week.
Iran has nothing to lose if their energy infrastructure is under threat, or there's any indication that Israel/US intends to use the nuclear option. Unstable people creating unstable situations.
 
Iran has nothing to lose if their energy infrastructure is under threat, or there's any indication that Israel/US intends to use the nuclear option. Unstable people creating unstable situations.
If they went after the desalination plants, they'd not only be dooming their own countries, but everyone else in the area. It would be quite the FU to everyone. Everyone there would need to either relocate or die.

The nuclear option is another huge "if". But I wouldn't put it past a regime that has committed genocidal atrocities like we've seen recently.
 
You guys have long gone soft ,if you wanna be like Europe,be my guest.You can't maintain hegemony in the region without getting your hands dirty.2 things can be true at the same time.Israel criminal gov wants to fight iran but that doesnt mean USA doesnt have an angle in this war.The region is a USA responsibility as it has all its allies there.You will be saying different things if gulf countries were european vulnerable ones.
Kenya boy is obama.
im afraid to tell you guys,the region only understand lethal force.Diplomacy is a dead currency there.
Like i said you guys are growing soft...War and conflict is part of our DNA.
Hi, I'll be honest, I figured out you were being weird about Obama. My main question was the rest of it. Let me know if you'll be brave enough to reply directly with specifics of how Kenya boy made it worse, because the current situation seems about as bad as it can get.

Or is the rest of your post about how diplomacy doesn't work a pre-emptive defence about how Obama managed to negotiate a deal but Trump is unable to?
 
Hi, I'll be honest, I figured out you were being weird about Obama. My main question was the rest of it.

Or is the rest of your post about how diplomacy doesn't work a pre-emptive defence about how Obama managed to negotiate a deal but Trump is unable to?
A really beautiful analysis of the region for people who thinks its only about housing and grocery prices in the USA.

He (trump)does not want to be merely the ruler of Washington; he seeks to play a role in shaping the course of history, and he has already done so. He does not want to be another version of Jimmy Carter or Barack Obama. History may remember them as good leaders for America, but poor ones for the world. But the question remains: does Trump truly contradict the principle of “America First” through his interventionist foreign policy?

In reality, the opposite is true. It is in America’s interest to maintain international stability, especially in vital regions such as the Gulf and the broader Middle East. Historically, the United States ignored Nazism until it declared war on it, ignored terrorism until its towers were struck, and ignored the Iranian regime until it destabilized the region through militias and piracy in maritime straits. American hesitation has often led to a more chaotic world.
This is the first misconception. The second claims that he is a man of war rather than a man of peace. We should not forget that partisan politicians and sections of the media that oppose him for their own reasons continue to repeat and promote these accusations.

Trump operates on the principle that strength leads to peace, while weakness and containment lead to more violence. He is now confronting Iran after years of policies marked by containment and weakness, which at one point effectively handed Tehran the keys to dominate the region – had Trump not torn up the nuclear deal at the time. Trump argues, rightly, that previous presidents over 47 years failed to take meaningful action to stop the Iranian regime despite its ongoing aggression. Eliminating rogue regimes by force may be the path to peace, not the opposite. The evidence is before us: decades of Western and American rapprochement with Tehran have only led to greater chaos.

Entering a war and using military force is a last resort and an undesirable option, but leaders may be compelled to take it. European history teaches us that defeating Nazi Germany through military force was the turning point that ended a dangerous expansionist project and paved the way for a stable and prosperous Europe, eventually leading to the formation of the European market and later the European Union. Since then, major wars within Europe have ceased – until Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

In Asia, Japan’s military defeat in World War II ended its expansionist phase and opened the door to unprecedented economic growth across the region. Japan later emerged as a major economic power, followed by the rise of the Asian Tigers.

The same pattern is repeating today in the Middle East, which has for decades been caught in a cycle of unrest and proxy wars driven by the Iranian regime’s project. Diplomacy has been used, economic incentives offered, and channels of dialogue opened in attempts to deter it from its destabilizing agenda, but these efforts have not changed its behavior. As we speak, Iranian missiles and drones are falling on Gulf capitals and cities, killing civilians and destroying infrastructure, despite these countries’ continued efforts to avoid war. Tehran is seeking to drag the region into a cycle of violence and disrupt its development, but it has not succeeded.

History teaches us that some expansionist ideological projects do not stop through pledges or agreements, but only when they are clearly defeated and stripped of their ability to destabilize their surroundings. This is how Nazism ended in Europe, and how Japanese militarism ended in Asia, followed by long periods of stability and prosperity.

Today, the Middle East stands at a similar historic moment: either the chaos-driven project led by Tehran continues to consume the region, or it is brought to a halt, as other expansionist projects in history have been. Only then can the region break free from its cycle of chronic conflict and finally enter a long-awaited era of stability and development that its people deserve.
 
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A really beautiful analysis of the region for people who thinks its only about housing and grocery prices in the USA.
The vast majority of people complaining about this war were equally complaining about the other wars that didn't affect the housing or grocery prices. It's the absolute basic level of humanity. Only MAGA has begun complaining about this war because of gas prices because they're selfish, entitled jag-offs.
* Text of someone who can't be bothered to think for themself *
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The vast majority of people complaining about this war were equally complaining about the other wars that didn't affect the housing or grocery prices. It's the absolute basic level of humanity. Only MAGA has begun complaining about this war because of gas prices because they're selfish, entitled jag-offs.

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A nobody like you speaking on subjects he has zero knowledge about.Very revealing...
 
A nobody like you speaking on subjects he has zero knowledge about.Very revealing...
* Sigh * I don't think you understand how pointless it is to call someone a nobody on the internet. We're ALL nobodies here. You think that you're a somebody living in Mauritania?! Sorry, little one, you aren't. You and everyone you've ever known are nobodies.

I previously asked you why the US easing sanctions on Russia and Iran during war is a good idea for the US, and you ignored it. I've seen others directly ask you questions, and you ignored them because the answers were inconvenient to you.

Then you say there is a "beautiful analysis" of the war, when it's just AI slop.

I agree, this conversation has been VERY revealing.
 
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* Sigh * I don't think you understand how pointless it is to call someone a nobody on the internet. We're ALL nobodies here. You think that you're a somebody living in Mauritania?! Sorry, little one, you aren't. You and everyone you've ever know are nobodies.

I previously asked you why the US easing sanctions on Russia and Iran during war is a good idea for the US, and you ignored it. I've seen others directly ask you questions, and you ignored them because the answers were inconvenient to you.

Then you say there is a "beautiful analysis" of the war, when it's just AI slop.

I agree, this conversation has been VERY revealing.
Their use of "beautiful" sounds rooted in Trump's use of it.
 
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A really beautiful analysis of the region for people who thinks its only about housing and grocery prices in the USA.

He (trump)does not want to be merely the ruler of Washington; he seeks to play a role in shaping the course of history, and he has already done so. He does not want to be another version of Jimmy Carter or Barack Obama. History may remember them as good leaders for America, but poor ones for the world. But the question remains: does Trump truly contradict the principle of “America First” through his interventionist foreign policy?

In reality, the opposite is true. It is in America’s interest to maintain international stability, especially in vital regions such as the Gulf and the broader Middle East. Historically, the United States ignored Nazism until it declared war on it, ignored terrorism until its towers were struck, and ignored the Iranian regime until it destabilized the region through militias and piracy in maritime straits. American hesitation has often led to a more chaotic world.
This is the first misconception. The second claims that he is a man of war rather than a man of peace. We should not forget that partisan politicians and sections of the media that oppose him for their own reasons continue to repeat and promote these accusations.

Trump operates on the principle that strength leads to peace, while weakness and containment lead to more violence. He is now confronting Iran after years of policies marked by containment and weakness, which at one point effectively handed Tehran the keys to dominate the region – had Trump not torn up the nuclear deal at the time. Trump argues, rightly, that previous presidents over 47 years failed to take meaningful action to stop the Iranian regime despite its ongoing aggression. Eliminating rogue regimes by force may be the path to peace, not the opposite. The evidence is before us: decades of Western and American rapprochement with Tehran have only led to greater chaos.

Entering a war and using military force is a last resort and an undesirable option, but leaders may be compelled to take it. European history teaches us that defeating Nazi Germany through military force was the turning point that ended a dangerous expansionist project and paved the way for a stable and prosperous Europe, eventually leading to the formation of the European market and later the European Union. Since then, major wars within Europe have ceased – until Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

In Asia, Japan’s military defeat in World War II ended its expansionist phase and opened the door to unprecedented economic growth across the region. Japan later emerged as a major economic power, followed by the rise of the Asian Tigers.

The same pattern is repeating today in the Middle East, which has for decades been caught in a cycle of unrest and proxy wars driven by the Iranian regime’s project. Diplomacy has been used, economic incentives offered, and channels of dialogue opened in attempts to deter it from its destabilizing agenda, but these efforts have not changed its behavior. As we speak, Iranian missiles and drones are falling on Gulf capitals and cities, killing civilians and destroying infrastructure, despite these countries’ continued efforts to avoid war. Tehran is seeking to drag the region into a cycle of violence and disrupt its development, but it has not succeeded.

History teaches us that some expansionist ideological projects do not stop through pledges or agreements, but only when they are clearly defeated and stripped of their ability to destabilize their surroundings. This is how Nazism ended in Europe, and how Japanese militarism ended in Asia, followed by long periods of stability and prosperity.

Today, the Middle East stands at a similar historic moment: either the chaos-driven project led by Tehran continues to consume the region, or it is brought to a halt, as other expansionist projects in history have been. Only then can the region break free from its cycle of chronic conflict and finally enter a long-awaited era of stability and development that its people deserve.
That is a lot of words to not even try and answer my question. I apologise if I'm looking for specifics where there are none. Can you ask ChatGPT to find out what you meant?
 
"They're gonna make a deal. They did something yesterday that was amazing actually. They gave us a present, and the present arrived today. It was a very big present worth a tremendous amount of money. I'm not gonna tell you what that present is but it was very significant prize." - Trumpola

After saying that they're in negotiations without giving any information and names, Iran came out and said nothing like that happened. Now Trump is saying that Iran is giving presents?! The guy is a complete loon.....

There was a good joke I saw earlier:
Q: What's the difference between Vietnam and Iran?
A: Trump's lying could get him out of Vietnam.
 
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"They're gonna make a deal. They did something yesterday that was amazing actually. They gave us a present, and the present arrived today. It was a very big present worth a tremendous amount of money. I'm not gonna tell you what that present is but it was very significant prize." - Trumpola

After saying that they're in negotiations without giving any information and names, Iran came out and said nothing like that happened. Now Trump is saying that Iran is giving presents?! The guy is a complete loon.....

There was a good joke I saw earlier:
Q: What's the difference between Vietnam and Iran?
A: Trump's lying could get him out of Vietnam.
Did they give him another peace prize? He's just so transparent.
 
"They're gonna make a deal. They did something yesterday that was amazing actually. They gave us a present, and the present arrived today. It was a very big present worth a tremendous amount of money. I'm not gonna tell you what that present is but it was very significant prize." - Trumpola

After saying that they're in negotiations without giving any information and names, Iran came out and said nothing like that happened. Now Trump is saying that Iran is giving presents?! The guy is a complete loon.....
I've got no clue why any self respecting news channel would still air Trump's words at this time. He's just making up stuff as he goes. Iran may be the enemy, but at least Khamenei jr doesn't contradict himself, let alone multiple times an hour.
 
I've got no clue why any self respecting news channel would still air Trump's words at this time. He's just making up stuff as he goes. Iran may be the enemy, but at least Khamenei jr doesn't contradict himself, let alone multiple times an hour.
Fox news has already been caught using fake/old footage for the dignified transfer where he had his baseball hat on. They also never mentioned his now infamous Mueller death tweet.

They're picking and choosing based on how disrespectful or embarrassing his current footage is.
 
"As per Iranian Government request"?!?!?! LOL!!! Seems like Trump is being dog-walked by the Iranian government now. They're calling all the shots, and having him post on his own social network to say that he'll be a good little bitch.

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