Let me save you the suspense; the Switch 2 won't get hacked

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The same was said about the Switch v2 series, and not long after that, PicoFly went viral.

Nothing is unhackable, but the time needed for such achievement is directly proportional to the general interest.

Nintendo consoles have the most interest so they get more people trying to hack them and eventually they are.
 
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nope, the real hackers say that in their discord.
And if they tell you 9/11 was an inside job, that Lee Harvey Oswald was framed, that the moon landing was faked, and that the world is flat are you going to blindly believe those lies with no evidence as well?

The only thing worse than a newbie strolling in this forum and telling the rest of us why the Switch 2 cannot be hacked after many of us have been doing the same for MONTHS right here is to have some 🤡 tell us that "hackers" have already hacked the unhackable but are laying low... in Discord!!!
LMFAO!
 
would you cite your source for that?

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"My source is that I MADE IT THE FUCK UP"
 
And if they tell you 9/11 was an inside job, that Lee Harvey Oswald was framed, that the moon landing was faked, and that the world is flat are you going to blindly believe those lies with no evidence as well?

The only thing worse than a newbie strolling in this forum and telling the rest of us why the Switch 2 cannot be hacked after many of us have been doing the same for MONTHS right here is to have some 🤡 tell us that "hackers" have already hacked the unhackable but are laying low... in Discord!!!
LMFAO!
Oswald WASN'T framed, he was the scape goat. Bush Sr. was the real triggerman.
 
Lmao, the guy had a shower thought and decided to make a forum post about it.
Everything can be hacked, just takes the right person trying hard enough.
Well, like I said before. Set up a reminder and come back here in... let's say... 5 years? You will see that the situation is going to be exactly like it is today.
 
First off: outside of very early firmwares, the original Switch doesn’t have any exploitable kernel bugs. There are entry points, but nothing that hands you a full custom firmware. So why does hacking still happen? Because Nvidia screwed up.

Early Switch units became infamous because a simple hardware trick could get you into the device. That “paper-clip” entry point wasn’t some accidental miracle: the Tegra X1 has a recovery mode Nintendo and Nvidia actually use for servicing and flashing. Hackers found two big problems there: recovery mode didn’t check how big a payload was (so it could overflow), and memory wasn’t cleared. Those flaws let attackers run code at the very earliest stage, before Nintendo’s software even starts, and it was devastating. Nintendo fixed it in later chips and changed the USB stack, so that particular exploit (RCM) is a non-starter on newer hardware and won’t be coming back on Switch 2.

The other big class of attacks is voltage glitching. The idea is simple: briefly disturb the CPU’s power so it skips an instruction, and if you hit the right instruction, you can skip crucial checks like signature verification. That’s why early modchips could halt the CPU, inject their own boot code, and then glitch the power at just the right moment to bypass signed checks, essentially re-creating the powerful chain that RCM enabled. With the T239 platform, though, Nvidia and Nintendo put a lot of engineering into stopping both RCM-style problems and glitching.

Software exploits look unlikely, NS2 uses the same kernel and firmware lineage as NS1, and RCM-style bugs aren’t present on T239. Voltage glitching faces two major, practical hurdles. The first is dual-core lockstep: two cores run the same instructions and a comparator checks they match. If one core is fudged, the chip notices and locks down. To beat that you’d need to glitch both cores simultaneously with extreme precision, not easy and not reliable. The second is that the boot/power-management processor is now explicitly untrusted on NS2: anything you could do on that processor won’t let you initialize the rest of the system. You might be able to dump something interesting, but it won’t get you to a usable custom firmware.

That basically leaves two other, much harder targets: NVRISCV (Nvidia’s mostly undocumented security processor) and CCPLEX, the cluster of CPU cores themselves. NVRISCV was designed to resist glitching and to be a sealed black box; attacking it would be like finding a needle in a haystack. CCPLEX attacks would be thwarted in theory by firmware updates and other protections. In short, there’s no obvious silver bullet for NS2, whatever breaks it is likely to be far more sophisticated than what we saw with the 360 hypervisor.

Here is a video from NVIDAI where they talk about this:



Ah. Okay then.
Everyone can cease their efforts since *checks notes* FernandoRocker said its futile.

lmao.
 
Does NVRISCV stands for Nvidia RISC V implementation? Just curious if they use Risc V.
yeah, they use RiscV in a bunch of places. They started replacing their old Falcon-based cores used in misc places (nvenc, tsec, vic, etc) with RiscV-based cores starting with ~Turing.
 
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Lmao, the guy had a shower thought and decided to make a forum post about it.
Everything can be hacked, just takes the right person trying hard enough.
Nintendo is spending extra time and effort to future-proof the Switch 2. For example, the encryption that is used is NOT the RSA algorithm that's commonplace, but a lot more obscure algorithm that's proven to be immune to quantum computers.

Not even RSA has been broken yet. Do you really think that this specific post-quantum encryption algorithm will be broken anytime soon?

I guess that a vulnerability might be discovered sometime in the future, but I'm really not holding my breath given the extra lengths Nintendo's going to for properly securing the console against exploits.

And remember: Fuseé-Geleé was almost entirely the fault of nVIDIA, not Nintendo.
 
May I remind you of the Xbox 360? People said it would never get a softmod, and the creator himself said that BadUpdate's reliability/speed could not be improved. And both were proven wrong, the latter in a very short time.

Everything gets hacked eventually. From everything we know about past history, it is simply not possible to design a 100% secure software. It just takes the right person with the right idea looking in the right place. And while the software architecture of the Switch (2) does make it challenging, it is just that - a challenge.
Citing an example of 20 year old tech is silly.

If everything gets hacked eventually shouldn't that also apply to hackers. I.e. shouldn't tech designers be able to thwart every reasonable exploit eventually?

Sadly I have seen similar arguments used to claim that Star Trek "tech" will eventually happen. It goes that technology keeps improving so eventually we will figure out transporters (impossible) and FTL (highly improbable).

The OP forgot the one way this thing can be hacked. Get the security info from Nintendo. If enough of it is stolen or leaked or cracked via quantum computer then something could be done.
 
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