The COVID-19 vaccine in retrospect

[XenoFredo]

Do you have any evidence to support this, besides it sounding nice in your head? Like, you sound very confident about how every doctor has been simultaneously tricked into silence, lest they be called crazy by...their other peers who know the truth but have been tricked into silence. Or food. It just sounds like a very weak foundation for a global conspiracy.

Not crazy, if they don't push the vaccines, they will be barred from the profession and that's that. Incentive (or a deterrant) at their level, that's it, that's all that needed. And the few doctors who were courageous and stood up against the vaccines did lose their license. It is weak but it's all that's needed for a conspiracy to unfold. I don't know why people imagine a top-down hierarchy with a big villain at the top.

The vast majority of the people around me got the vaccine because that was what every "normal" person was doing and that was that. They heard the people on the TV say "it's just this one, then it's over" on TV and believed it, just as they believed "2 weeks to slow the spread", over and over and over again.

They trust authority (especially here in Western Europe), they think our authorities want the best for them, because it is very scary for people to consider the alternative, that they're actually actively trying to hurt them and that they enjoy it.

But perhaps it's something you can only realize if you say 'no' to them and see what happens.

 

[MPRTwice]

I have all vaccines imaginable and more, same with many of the so-called right-wing "antivaxxers" as you say. Only the Covid ones, we didn't take.


Our governments paid for it, and guess where that money comes from.


I grew up leftist and Big Pharma being dangerous was always a given for me. And now that I'm on the right and actually retained that healthy belief, it's the current leftists who completely changed camps and think Big Pharma can only be a source for good and would never commit any evil. Yeah that's beyond naive, all you need to do is to look what companies like Pfizer have been convicted of.

Yes, every doctor is in on the conspiracy, and there doesn't need to be a shadowy figure at the top giving the orders, all one needs is incentive at the level of the doctor. Or the patient for that matter. For many the main incentive is "not being seen as crazy/a bad person by my peers", or "being able to go to the restaurant" (yes many people who regretted taking the vax openly said that on Belgian television, that they got it because they like good food), just following the herd to remain psychologically safe.

So to be straightforward: some pharmaceutical companies did good things...in the 1990's and 2000's. So they were pushed out, just like vietnam veterans in the U.S. to make room for selfishness and incompetence.

NCBI/Pubmed is where I placed many articles; we work with cures for cancer and diabetes (they already exist), but of course amercian physicians know that, again mirroring vietnam Military Tae-Kwon-Do vs. sport-kwon-do/foot tag.

So yes, they all are aware of this; easier to get money by selling band-aids than permanent cures, just as how little johnny pays lots of money for his black-belt and trophies but John one-shots UFC actors with a white-belt punch and sees no reason to keep paying if he already has what he wants.

To love money, quality must go down. Too bad for them I disagree with pushing for that.

 

[XenoFredo]

easier to get money by selling band-aids than permanent cures

Despite being a crazy right-winger, I actually do not believe that. Permanent cures are not really a thing for many conditions, but pharmaceuticals always try to get the best treatment available and then price it accordingly.

If that theory were true, I wouldn't have been able to get PRK (older and safer LASIK) for 3000€, the Big Pharma lobby of opthalmologists and the optometrists would have conspired to keep it from being released to sell us glasses and contacts until we die (insert evil laugh). So no I don't think what you describe here is actually a thing.

For many conditions, they simply don't have an effective treatment, they just have very weak solutions that people don't even bother to buy. See the hair loss industry for example, they would gladly sell something close to a cure if they could.

 

[MPRTwice]

Do you have any evidence to support this, besides it sounding nice in your head? Like, you sound very confident about how every doctor has been simultaneously tricked into silence, lest they be called crazy by...their other peers who know the truth but have been tricked into silence. Or food. It just sounds like a very weak foundation for a global conspiracy, one that would instantly crumble the moment Covid was no longer a pressing issue. But you probably have some very good evidence for believing this is what has happened.

I will say this as kindly as I can, but ncbi does have links to proven medically researched articles on how those with minor respiratory allergies tend to live longer by about five years on average than those with no respiratory concerns at all, yet pulmonologists exist to take money. The body condenses airways and fills them with mucus for a reason in regards to the air quality.

someone tried to say then it's still pointless since the body still inhales particles; again, the body can deplete particles at a rate fast enough to purge them with asthma, but not without.

ncbi is a start, not a finish, but it is very detailed, and u.s. physicians do get that look of fear when I bring it up, the same way foot-tag experts have fear when I they know I do the real thing.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/

 

[ieatpixels]

I mostly agree with OP, other than feeling the urge to promote the vaxx on social media.

It's true it was kinda messed up and intrusive for it to be mandated, but like we all know it was an extremely desperate situation with people dropping like flies. Hospitals were not only full, but overcapacity. More people were falling deathly ill than anyone had the ability to treat. So humanity did all we could to try fix the situation. It was amazing Donald Trump used his problem solving abilities and determination to actually find solutions at the time. The whole world was affected but Trump was the one who consulted leading experts to find solutions. In addition to ventilator and PPE production, he declared a national emergency and directed military funding to vaccine development. He had personal meetings with heads of drug companies to ask them why can't they just find a cure. It was every day the man was working on it, he doesn't like seeing people suffer or perish.

Trump had meetings where they'd explain the process of MRNA vaccines, and how it's theoretically possible to create one with enough research and development. I remember he would ask why it takes so long, and he was clever enough to find the grey areas where essentially it waits on approval and certain classification, so he made it his duty to fast-track those skippable parts of the development. Within months a vax was ready and available for the public and proved effective.

I think scepticism is healthy, and choice in consent is important. But as a humanity I think we all just wanted to beat the disease.

I'm not sure if we beat it through herd immunity or vaccinations, but I'm glad it's in the past.

I only got it because I was working in healthcare and in Australia you were forbidden from going to shopping centers, concerts, any venues or restaurants or anything without having the shot. And I wanted to go on dates with ladies haha.

I've seen people who didn't get it mention it as a badge of honour, and I'm slightly envious of them. I mean you're putting foreign shit into your body in your bloodstream where it can't escape.

Probably the only thing that has changed in my view since it all happened is the badge of honour thing. "I never got the vax" sounds like a triumphant bout of freedom and defiance to me, and I'm sure many will not hold that opinion but I'm sharing it anyway.

The hoops right-wingers jump through to justify anti-vaxxers is downright asinine. It's all based on this idea that "Big Pharma" is out to scam you, despite the fact that the vaccine is fucking free. They somehow think that the vaccine contains ways of either controlling you, tracking your movement, or killing you, that "Big Pharma" benefits from this (somehow), that it can't be detected, and that every doctor ever is in on this massive conspiracy.

If you spouted any of this shit in the 80s and 90s, you would immediately be institutionalized.

It wasn't free though. Yes to the public, but obviously companies like AstraZeneca and Pfizer are real, for-profit businesses with shareholders and everything. Governments had to exchange money for their service. Pfizer made $37.8 billion from Covid vaccines in 2022.

And selfish too. Society is full of vulnerable people who cant vaccinate. Antivaxxers only care about themselves. They think they understand things on a different level and are enlightened when the truth is they can't understand simple things so they conjure a fable to fill in the blanks. Stupid as hell.

Only truth they speak is that we don't need the vaccine. That could be true. But since flat earthers, MAGATS and filthy turds don't cover their mouths or wash their hands, we needed masks and vaccines. I wish they all died off.

Being so hateful and bitter doesn't make me want to join your ideology.
Like, wishing death on people, insulting intelligence, etc.
I think anyone who gets this worked up over opinions needs to go touch grass.
Like, no one who's happy with life would get so worked up over ideas they disagree with.

When Trump said "Its the Dems' new hoax" that was the moment covid became political. So we can thank MAGA for that too.

He only said that once early on. I think it's fair because no one would have realistically been able to predict what Covid was going to be. It was a once in a century plague. I watch enough of Trump to know what he really meant by that is it was exaggerated by the media. It's true the media gets more clicks and engagement from making problems bigger than they are, and at the time Corona Virus wasn't a big deal. He uses words in a consistent way of his own vocabulary and didn't mean hoax in the literal sense. Ironically, it was the leftwing and other haters that parroted those early remarks, amplifying them. Some people sow division and hate, even if it means propping up their enemies.
Donald Trump and MAGA obviously did a lot to recognise Covid-19 and to fight it. It was weird how after a while it turned into this very black and white, for and against type thing. When in reality Trump did a lot of speeches about how to avoid catching it and what he's doing to help defeat it. It was pretty disturbing when Biden got in and started a narrative of full on blaming the previous administration for Covid existing. People are doing it here too. It wasn't from the US, it was from China. The whole world was affected. Yes in a way it's political but in my opinion it doesn't need to be, and that goes both ways.

The COVID-19 vaccine saved my life. So for those of you who hate me, there's that.

I'm just glad this hasn't turned into another low-IQ anti-vaxxer thread with comments from the kind of morons that are currently having their children die from measles, which stopped being a thing once a vaccine was created 40 years ago. I mean you really have to be a special kind of dumb to be against vaccinations.

Again this angry bitterness. This guy's signature is ranting about nazis too.
This type of thing isn't winning anyone over, it just seems neckbeardy and anti-social.

Anyway I'm going to take my own advice and go touch grass. Be kind to each other, y'all.

 

[The Catboy]

Yes, every doctor is in on the conspiracy

Yeah, I can't take anything else you just said seriously.

 

[MPRTwice]

I mostly agree with OP, other than feeling the urge to promote the vaxx on social media.

It's true it was kinda messed up and intrusive for it to be mandated, but like we all know it was an extremely desperate situation with people dropping like flies. Hospitals were not only full, but overcapacity. More people were falling deathly ill than anyone had the ability to treat. So humanity did all we could to try fix the situation. It was amazing Donald Trump used his problem solving abilities and determination to actually find solutions at the time. The whole world was affected but Trump was the one who consulted leading experts to find solutions. In addition to ventilator and PPE production, he declared a national emergency and directed military funding to vaccine development. He had personal meetings with heads of drug companies to ask them why can't they just find a cure. It was every day the man was working on it, he doesn't like seeing people suffer or perish.

Trump had meetings where they'd explain the process of MRNA vaccines, and how it's theoretically possible to create one with enough research and development. I remember he would ask why it takes so long, and he was clever enough to find the grey areas where essentially it waits on approval and certain classification, so he made it his duty to fast-track those skippable parts of the development. Within months a vax was ready and available for the public and proved effective.

I think scepticism is healthy, and choice in consent is important. But as a humanity I think we all just wanted to beat the disease.

I'm not sure if we beat it through herd immunity or vaccinations, but I'm glad it's in the past.

I only got it because I was working in healthcare and in Australia you were forbidden from going to shopping centers, concerts, any venues or restaurants or anything without having the shot. And I wanted to go on dates with ladies haha.

I've seen people who didn't get it mention it as a badge of honour, and I'm slightly envious of them. I mean you're putting foreign shit into your body in your bloodstream where it can't escape.

Probably the only thing that has changed in my view since it all happened is the badge of honour thing. "I never got the vax" sounds like a triumphant bout of freedom and defiance to me, and I'm sure many will not hold that opinion but I'm sharing it anyway.


It wasn't free though. Yes to the public, but obviously companies like AstraZeneca and Pfizer are real, for-profit businesses with shareholders and everything. Governments had to exchange money for their service. Pfizer made $37.8 billion from Covid vaccines in 2022.

Being so hateful and bitter doesn't make me want to join your ideology.
Like, wishing death on people, insulting intelligence, etc.
I think anyone who gets this worked up over opinions needs to go touch grass.
Like, no one who's happy with life would get so worked up over ideas they disagree with.


He only said that once early on. I think it's fair because no one would have realistically been able to predict what Covid was going to be. It was a once in a century plague. I watch enough of Trump to know what he really meant by that is it was exaggerated by the media. It's true the media gets more clicks and engagement from making problems bigger than they are, and at the time Corona Virus wasn't a big deal. He uses words in a consistent way of his own vocabulary and didn't mean hoax in the literal sense. Ironically, it was the leftwing and other haters that parroted those early remarks, amplifying them. Some people sow division and hate, even if it means propping up their enemies.
Donald Trump and MAGA obviously did a lot to recognise Covid-19 and to fight it. It was weird how after a while it turned into this very black and white, for and against type thing. When in reality Trump did a lot of speeches about how to avoid catching it and what he's doing to help defeat it. It was pretty disturbing when Biden got in and started a narrative of full on blaming the previous administration for Covid existing. People are doing it here too. It wasn't from the US, it was from China. The whole world was affected. Yes in a way it's political but in my opinion it doesn't need to be, and that goes both ways.


Again this angry bitterness. This guy's signature is ranting about nazis too.
This type of thing isn't winning anyone over, it just seems neckbeardy and anti-social.

Anyway I'm going to take my own advice and go touch grass. Be kind to each other, y'all.

Can you let me know how that grass is today? Kinda hurting, waiting until tommorrow when the pain is gone.

 

[Deleted member 705600]

Despite being a crazy right-winger, I actually do not believe that. Permanent cures are not really a thing for many conditions, but pharmaceuticals always try to get the best treatment available and then price it accordingly.

If that theory were true, I wouldn't have been able to get PRK (older and safer LASIK) for 3000€, the Big Pharma lobby of opthalmologists and the optometrists would have conspired to keep it from being released to sell us glasses and contacts until we die (insert evil laugh). So no I don't think what you describe here is actually a thing.

For many conditions, they simply don't have an effective treatment, they just have very weak solutions that people don't even bother to buy. See the hair loss industry for example, they would gladly sell something close to a cure if they could.

I don't like a lot about your way of thinking, but honestly based

Many people talk about stuff like the cure of cancer or for AIDS completely lacking the understanding of why such diseases are so difficult for medicine to tackle, specially cancer of everything.

Science and medicine sadly don't and will never have the answer for everything, we try to cover what we can, be we lack, and a lot

 

[BlazeHeatnix]

I have all vaccines imaginable and more, same with many of the so-called right-wing "antivaxxers" as you say. Only the Covid ones, we didn't take.

And yet a vast majority of conservatives and Republicans are anti-vaccine, period. Your side did not want to ban mandatory Covid vaccines specifically. You want ALL of them to not be mandatory, AND you are cutting their funding. If you support the party that is antivax, you are an antivaxxer yourself. You don't get to decide whether you're not.

Yes, every doctor is in on the conspiracy, and there doesn't need to be a shadowy figure at the top giving the orders, all one needs is incentive at the level of the doctor. Or the patient for that matter. For many the main incentive is "not being seen as crazy/a bad person by my peers", or "being able to go to the restaurant" (yes many people who regretted taking the vax openly said that on Belgian television, that they got it because they like good food), just following the herd to remain psychologically safe.

It wasn't free though. Yes to the public, but obviously companies like AstraZeneca and Pfizer are real, for-profit businesses with shareholders and everything. Governments had to exchange money for their service. Pfizer made $37.8 billion from Covid vaccines in 2022.

So let me get this straight. Your argument is that the vaccine is bad because...it's free healthcare that is paid for by the government?

Now, I do agree that private for-profit healthcare is bad, but you're not exactly making a strong case for why the vaccine specifically is bad for you and me. The public. If your argument is that the government is spending too much money on it, there's about a trillion in military spending they could cut back on to save costs.

 

[Kunty]

I had to get it as I was a prison officer at the time so communicable diseases spread fast. I'm also immunocompromised. I've had COVID 5 times and the 2nd time I genuinely thought I was going to die. 5th time I had it I was asymptomatic. As for the antivax morons, they shouldn't be allowed to integrate into society, they're clearly selfish and don't care that they're walking petri dishes.

 

[mikefor20]

I mostly agree with OP, other than feeling the urge to promote the vaxx on social media.

It's true it was kinda messed up and intrusive for it to be mandated, but like we all know it was an extremely desperate situation with people dropping like flies. Hospitals were not only full, but overcapacity. More people were falling deathly ill than anyone had the ability to treat. So humanity did all we could to try fix the situation. It was amazing Donald Trump used his problem solving abilities and determination to actually find solutions at the time. The whole world was affected but Trump was the one who consulted leading experts to find solutions. In addition to ventilator and PPE production, he declared a national emergency and directed military funding to vaccine development. He had personal meetings with heads of drug companies to ask them why can't they just find a cure. It was every day the man was working on it, he doesn't like seeing people suffer or perish.

Trump had meetings where they'd explain the process of MRNA vaccines, and how it's theoretically possible to create one with enough research and development. I remember he would ask why it takes so long, and he was clever enough to find the grey areas where essentially it waits on approval and certain classification, so he made it his duty to fast-track those skippable parts of the development. Within months a vax was ready and available for the public and proved effective.

I think scepticism is healthy, and choice in consent is important. But as a humanity I think we all just wanted to beat the disease.

I'm not sure if we beat it through herd immunity or vaccinations, but I'm glad it's in the past.

I only got it because I was working in healthcare and in Australia you were forbidden from going to shopping centers, concerts, any venues or restaurants or anything without having the shot. And I wanted to go on dates with ladies haha.

I've seen people who didn't get it mention it as a badge of honour, and I'm slightly envious of them. I mean you're putting foreign shit into your body in your bloodstream where it can't escape.

Probably the only thing that has changed in my view since it all happened is the badge of honour thing. "I never got the vax" sounds like a triumphant bout of freedom and defiance to me, and I'm sure many will not hold that opinion but I'm sharing it anyway.


It wasn't free though. Yes to the public, but obviously companies like AstraZeneca and Pfizer are real, for-profit businesses with shareholders and everything. Governments had to exchange money for their service. Pfizer made $37.8 billion from Covid vaccines in 2022.

Being so hateful and bitter doesn't make me want to join your ideology.
Like, wishing death on people, insulting intelligence, etc.
I think anyone who gets this worked up over opinions needs to go touch grass.
Like, no one who's happy with life would get so worked up over ideas they disagree with.


He only said that once early on. I think it's fair because no one would have realistically been able to predict what Covid was going to be. It was a once in a century plague. I watch enough of Trump to know what he really meant by that is it was exaggerated by the media. It's true the media gets more clicks and engagement from making problems bigger than they are, and at the time Corona Virus wasn't a big deal. He uses words in a consistent way of his own vocabulary and didn't mean hoax in the literal sense. Ironically, it was the leftwing and other haters that parroted those early remarks, amplifying them. Some people sow division and hate, even if it means propping up their enemies.
Donald Trump and MAGA obviously did a lot to recognise Covid-19 and to fight it. It was weird how after a while it turned into this very black and white, for and against type thing. When in reality Trump did a lot of speeches about how to avoid catching it and what he's doing to help defeat it. It was pretty disturbing when Biden got in and started a narrative of full on blaming the previous administration for Covid existing. People are doing it here too. It wasn't from the US, it was from China. The whole world was affected. Yes in a way it's political but in my opinion it doesn't need to be, and that goes both ways.


Again this angry bitterness. This guy's signature is ranting about nazis too.
This type of thing isn't winning anyone over, it just seems neckbeardy and anti-social.

Anyway I'm going to take my own advice and go touch grass. Be kind to each other, y'all.

Wow, you embody everything wrong with our country. Touch grass? Lol. I'm not here to win you over. You're a lost cause, myopic with cognitive issues and a severe case of Trump Devotional Syndrome. TDS is disgusting and dangerous. Trump botched everything. He tore down the safety nets we had in place to fight pandemics and buried his head in the sand. It was insane. Choice shouldn't even be a factor. You're not that important. You are the snowflakes. So special.. Trump did more for his birthday than the pandemic. You just refuse common decency unless it's for the elites. That should make just about everyone mad. You are the sheep. You are willing to trade anything you have to give it all to people who have way too much. Keep reading your"alternate facts" and "alternate science" i bet you have a Confederate flag hanging somewhere don't you comrade? Please don't forget your ivermectin and a big glass of bleach and please don't have kids. People who brag about not getting the vaccine are selfish morons. You all should be ashamed and i hope only you and yours get hurt for your poor values.

Trump and Putin are two of a kind, and don't forget, they're coming for you too Malicai

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And yet a vast majority of conservatives and Republicans are anti-vaccine, period. Your side did not want to ban mandatory Covid vaccines specifically. You want ALL of them to not be mandatory, AND you are cutting their funding.

So let me get this straight. Your argument is that the vaccine is bad because...it's free healthcare that is paid for by the government?

Now, I do agree that private for-profit healthcare is bad, but you're not exactly making a strong case for why the vaccine specifically is bad for you and me. The public. If your argument is that the government is spending too much money on it, there's about a trillion in military spending they could cut back on to save costs.

Or we could tax the rich their fair share and will have more money than we will ever need

 

[The Catboy]

I mostly agree with OP, other than feeling the urge to promote the vaxx on social media.

It's true it was kinda messed up and intrusive for it to be mandated, but like we all know it was an extremely desperate situation with people dropping like flies. Hospitals were not only full, but overcapacity. More people were falling deathly ill than anyone had the ability to treat. So humanity did all we could to try fix the situation. It was amazing Donald Trump used his problem solving abilities and determination to actually find solutions at the time. The whole world was affected but Trump was the one who consulted leading experts to find solutions. In addition to ventilator and PPE production, he declared a national emergency and directed military funding to vaccine development. He had personal meetings with heads of drug companies to ask them why can't they just find a cure. It was every day the man was working on it, he doesn't like seeing people suffer or perish.

Trump had meetings where they'd explain the process of MRNA vaccines, and how it's theoretically possible to create one with enough research and development. I remember he would ask why it takes so long, and he was clever enough to find the grey areas where essentially it waits on approval and certain classification, so he made it his duty to fast-track those skippable parts of the development. Within months a vax was ready and available for the public and proved effective.

I think scepticism is healthy, and choice in consent is important. But as a humanity I think we all just wanted to beat the disease.

I'm not sure if we beat it through herd immunity or vaccinations, but I'm glad it's in the past.

I only got it because I was working in healthcare and in Australia you were forbidden from going to shopping centers, concerts, any venues or restaurants or anything without having the shot. And I wanted to go on dates with ladies haha.

I've seen people who didn't get it mention it as a badge of honour, and I'm slightly envious of them. I mean you're putting foreign shit into your body in your bloodstream where it can't escape.

Probably the only thing that has changed in my view since it all happened is the badge of honour thing. "I never got the vax" sounds like a triumphant bout of freedom and defiance to me, and I'm sure many will not hold that opinion but I'm sharing it anyway.


It wasn't free though. Yes to the public, but obviously companies like AstraZeneca and Pfizer are real, for-profit businesses with shareholders and everything. Governments had to exchange money for their service. Pfizer made $37.8 billion from Covid vaccines in 2022.

Being so hateful and bitter doesn't make me want to join your ideology.
Like, wishing death on people, insulting intelligence, etc.
I think anyone who gets this worked up over opinions needs to go touch grass.
Like, no one who's happy with life would get so worked up over ideas they disagree with.


He only said that once early on. I think it's fair because no one would have realistically been able to predict what Covid was going to be. It was a once in a century plague. I watch enough of Trump to know what he really meant by that is it was exaggerated by the media. It's true the media gets more clicks and engagement from making problems bigger than they are, and at the time Corona Virus wasn't a big deal. He uses words in a consistent way of his own vocabulary and didn't mean hoax in the literal sense. Ironically, it was the leftwing and other haters that parroted those early remarks, amplifying them. Some people sow division and hate, even if it means propping up their enemies.
Donald Trump and MAGA obviously did a lot to recognise Covid-19 and to fight it. It was weird how after a while it turned into this very black and white, for and against type thing. When in reality Trump did a lot of speeches about how to avoid catching it and what he's doing to help defeat it. It was pretty disturbing when Biden got in and started a narrative of full on blaming the previous administration for Covid existing. People are doing it here too. It wasn't from the US, it was from China. The whole world was affected. Yes in a way it's political but in my opinion it doesn't need to be, and that goes both ways.


Again this angry bitterness. This guy's signature is ranting about nazis too.
This type of thing isn't winning anyone over, it just seems neckbeardy and anti-social.

Anyway I'm going to take my own advice and go touch grass. Be kind to each other, y'all.

Wow, that’s a lot of words! Too bad I’m not reading em!
Seriously, when was the last time you got some fresh air and enjoyed some nature?

 

[Sir Tortoise]

Not crazy, if they don't push the vaccines, they will be barred from the profession and that's that. Incentive (or a deterrant) at their level, that's it, that's all that needed. And the few doctors who were courageous and stood up against the vaccines did lose their license. It is weak but it's all that's needed for a conspiracy to unfold. I don't know why people imagine a top-down hierarchy with a big villain at the top.

People imagine a top-down hierarchy to a global conspiracy because that, on the surface, makes a bit more sense than almost every doctor simultaneously losing their mind and self-enforcing a conspiracy of silence against themselves. Still less sense than people just agreeing on a good idea, but nevermind.

This is a really interesting argument, it's trying to skirt the lack of evidence for a conspiracy by saying there was no conspiracy, nobody did it, it just happened. Across thousands of scientists, across every country in the world. But even that doesn't internally work, I mean, who is barring these doctors in a "that's that" fashion? And, where is your evidence?

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I will say this as kindly as I can, but ncbi does have links to proven medically researched articles on how those with minor respiratory allergies tend to live longer by about five years on average than those with no respiratory concerns at all, yet pulmonologists exist to take money. The body condenses airways and fills them with mucus for a reason in regards to the air quality.

someone tried to say then it's still pointless since the body still inhales particles; again, the body can deplete particles at a rate fast enough to purge them with asthma, but not without.

ncbi is a start, not a finish, but it is very detailed, and u.s. physicians do get that look of fear when I bring it up, the same way foot-tag experts have fear when I they know I do the real thing.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/

Which study are you talking about? I'd be curious to read it, but it's a little tricky to find from just a link to an extremely well-known database of millions of studies.

 

[Viri]

I remember my mom and my sisters trying to pressure me to getting the Covid vax, I kept delaying it, because I was lazy as shit.
Watching my sister and my niece and nephews feel like shit after getting the Covid vax scared me into not getting it, lmao! The fatigue and pain was god awful. They had fevers and god awful head aches, and couldn't move their arms a whole lot, because it hurt like hell for a few days.


Then like 2 weeks later, we all got Covid anyway, and the side effects from the vax were worse than the actual Covid it self for my sister/niece/nephews. After we all got better, my sister expressed regrets over getting the Covid vax. I caught Covid twice, it's shit, but the vax side effects are much worse imo. Worse part of Covid was the shitty fever, head aches, and food tasting weird.

I'm not an anti-vaxer, just an anti-covid vaxer. I'll get pretty much any other vax, but not that shit.

 

[Sir Tortoise]

I remember my mom and my sisters trying to pressure me to getting the Covid vax, I kept delaying it, because I was lazy as shit.
Watching my sister and my niece and nephews feel like shit after getting the Covid vax scared me into not getting it, lmao! The fatigue and pain was god awful. They had fevers and god awful head aches, and couldn't move their arms a whole lot, because it hurt like hell for a few days.


Then like 2 weeks later, we all got Covid anyway, and the side effects from the vax were worse than the actual Covid it self for my sister/niece/nephews. After we all got better, my sister expressed regrets over getting the Covid vax. I caught Covid twice, it's shit, but the vax side effects are much worse imo. Worse part of Covid was the shitty fever, head aches, and food tasting weird.

I'm not an anti-vaxer, just an anti-covid vaxer. I'll get pretty much any other vax, but not that shit.

So, just to summarise:
1) got the vaccine
2) felt like shit from the vaccine
3) got covid - after being vaccinated
4) felt less shit

Do you reckon there's a chance that the vaccine did its job and gave some protection against Covid - even to the point where it felt better than having the vaccine in the first place? Certainly there are many stories of people feeling ill after it, but that's still pretty mild compared to what Covid can do.

I'm imagining some alternate timeline where you all got botched vaccines that did nothing but make you feel sick, so the following Covid infection had way worse effects than the bad vaccine, and then this exact anecdote gets posted again about how important the vaccine is because you've felt how nasty Covid is. It's the classic problem of preparing for a problem means you avoid the problem, so what was the point in preparing for something that wasn't that bad?

Personally, I got vaccinated, felt ill for a day, and then when I later got Covid it was as a mild feeling of tiredness with no other symptoms. I had the same experience, on a smaller scale. But I can't say that my experience of Covid after vaccination is a fair comparison to the vaccination, even for myself. Maybe we need to compare the effects between vaccination effects and Covid infections before vaccination, but I don't think that comparison would go well for Covid.

 

[Viri]

So, just to summarise:
1) got the vaccine
2) felt like shit from the vaccine
3) got covid - after being vaccinated
4) felt less shit

Do you reckon there's a chance that the vaccine did its job and gave some protection against Covid - even to the point where it felt better than having the vaccine in the first place? Certainly there are many stories of people feeling ill after it, but that's still pretty mild compared to what Covid can do.

I'm imagining some alternate timeline where you all got botched vaccines that did nothing but make you feel sick, so the following Covid infection had way worse effects than the bad vaccine, and then this exact anecdote gets posted again about how important the vaccine is because you've felt how nasty Covid is. It's the classic problem of preparing for a problem means you avoid the problem, so what was the point in preparing for something that wasn't that bad?

Personally, I got vaccinated, felt ill for a day, and then when I later got Covid it was as a mild feeling of tiredness with no other symptoms. I had the same experience, on a smaller scale. But I can't say that my experience of Covid after vaccination is a fair comparison to the vaccination, even for myself. Maybe we need to compare the effects between vaccination effects and Covid infections before vaccination, but I don't think that comparison would go well for Covid.

I never got the vax, my sister/niece/nephews did. They were the ones who got the shitty side effects from the vax, I didn't have to go through that. I got Covid twice, once when they lived with me, once when they didn't live with me. Both times I pretty much the same symptoms.

 

[Sir Tortoise]

I never got the vax, my sister/niece/nephews did. They were the ones who got the shitty side effects from the vax, I didn't have to go through that. I got Covid twice, once when they lived with me, once when they didn't live with me. Both times I pretty much the same symptoms.

Well, yeah, I'd be surprised if you had side effects from the vaccine despite not having it. I didn't say you had the vaccine.
My point is that you're comparing the two, but one has already influenced the other. An extreme example would be me saying it's better to be shot than to wear a bulletproof vest, because the vest was really heavy and sweaty for the whole day while being shot only gave me a bit of a bruise.

 

[Viri]

Well, yeah, I'd be surprised if you had side effects from the vaccine despite not having it. I didn't say you had the vaccine.
My point is that you're comparing the two, but one has already influenced the other. An extreme example would be me saying it's better to be shot than to wear a bulletproof vest, because the vest was really heavy and sweaty for the whole day while being shot only gave me a bit of a bruise.

I was confused by your post.

Do you reckon there's a chance that the vaccine did its job and gave some protection against Covid - even to the point where it felt better than having the vaccine in the first place? Certainly there are many stories of people feeling ill after it, but that's still pretty mild compared to what Covid can do.

Not really. Because I never got the vax. How would I get some protection?

I'm imagining some alternate timeline where you all got botched vaccines that did nothing but make you feel sick, so the following Covid infection had way worse effects than the bad vaccine, and then this exact anecdote gets posted again about how important the vaccine is because you've felt how nasty Covid is. It's the classic problem of preparing for a problem means you avoid the problem, so what was the point in preparing for something that wasn't that bad?

Huh?

 

[SeltzerMist]

I'm not an anti-vaxer, just an anti-covid vaxer.

No reason to differentiate

 

[DiscostewSM]

Not really. Because I never got the vax. How would I get some protection?

Of the actual virus, who got it first? You, or the others?