Saying NO to fascists/nazis - if you are one of those, you are not welcome here

[Foxi4]

Well for the Bill Maher example, people like him actually have beliefs but are clearly right wing, they just pretend to be left wing to be contrarians, to both the left and right. Most of his speech is blaming the left and excusing the right actions as a reaction to the left "overreaction".

That’s one way to look at things. It *is* a tug of war, undoing what your predecessors have implemented is always part of the ticket. Not really a statement on Bill Maher specifically, rather on politics in general. An actual moderate would be a rather boring proposition for a public official, what people *really* like is going in one direction until they feel they’ve gone too far, then turning on their heel and walking right back until they feel they overcorrected and need to pivot again, ad infinitum. I’m not sure if I’d call that centrism, rather it’s a natural inclination towards thinking the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. The water in the bathtub is never “just right” - if you feel like it is, it’ll be too cold in a couple minutes.

 

[Axido]

Who is coming in here and calling themselves nazis or facsicsts?

Nobody is doing that. For some reason being a fascist or nazi is frowned upon. In some countries showing affiliation with fascism or national socialism can even be punished by law, because it ridicules the victims of the Third Reich and potentially threatens democracy. I live in such a country and I can tell you it's for the better, even though people resort to that "you can't say..." rhetoric whenever they get the chance to. You can disagree with democracy the way it is implemented, but a dictatorship that doesn't mind killing millions of humans is not up for debate.

That being said, have you ever heard Elon Musk openly admitting he is a nazi? Not that I heard of, yet he promoted a German nazi party that wants to make deportation cool again, has shown a nazi salute in front of cameras and led a whole department that ruined some government institutions to the point they had to rehire people he fired. He sure can't be a nazi, because he is not openly saying it, right? However, if it looks, walks and talks like a duck, it usually is a duck.

The well-known art of fascism is to disguise itself as harmless until it reaches a critical mass. The US is proving that as we speak, as Trump seemingly cannot go even a week without trying to silence political enemies (universities, democratic politicians, people protesting him, etc). Are you defending that?

 

[Dark_Ansem]

There isn't one side that is evil and one side that is good,

Yes there is.

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I'm not sure what you're saying. I got sick of the right wing propaganda being shoved down my throat which over time became harder and harder for me to believe.

I see, I had your intent backwards! Sorry.

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Is it really whitewashing when the entire point is that people get labeled nazi or right wing just by having a different opinion?

If the opinion is a fascist opinion, endorsed by fascists, or you vote for fascists, you are a fascists. Any lack of (manifest) self-identification is irrelevant.

 

[Lumstar]

Who is coming in here and calling themselves nazis or facsicsts?

For members residing in the USA, all we'd need is a person's voting record. The options on an American ballot are...

• Fascist
• Not fascist
• Abstain, thereby choosing to not voice an objection to the presence of the fascist

 

[Vixi]

the idea that some propaganda is left wing and some is right wing is bs. Manufacturing consent is a book that covers this quite well. Let's all just forget about imaginary directions and pay more attention. There isn't one side that is evil and one side that is good, its all one side playing divide and conquer. Im really tired of rich white people acting like they are Jesus, get off your ass and help someone instead of being a toxic bigot.

Left and right are manufactured identities to make everyone attack eachother instead of the real problems.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

Left and right are manufactured identities to make everyone attack eachother instead of the real problems.

Maybe, and yet the left gave us rights, while the right consistently takes them away. Except apparently the right to become plaguespreaders and make sure kids don't live past 5 because of polio.

 

[SeltzerMist]

Left and right are manufactured identities to make everyone attack eachother instead of the real problems.

One side took away a significant amount of reproductive rights and also attacks the LGBTQ community but yes they're the same thing both sides

 

[Dark_Ansem]

One side took away a significant amount of reproductive rights and also attacks the LGBTQ community but yes they're the same thing both sides

And somehow that republican cow who got an ectopic pregnancy and couldn't get the treatment for it before going to a different state still blames "the left"

 

[Heavy01]

For members residing in the USA, all we'd need is a person's voting record. The options on an American ballot are...

• Fascist
• Not fascist
• Abstain, thereby choosing to not voice an objection to the presence of the fascist

Ah yeah, fascism is very well known for being able to vote against.

Leftists truly have rotten their brains forever.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

Lmao what a profound thought

 

[SeltzerMist]

Leftists truly have rotten their brains forever.

Well that's projection (and grammatically incorrect)

 

[Heavy01]

It's about the same amount of effort you guys put into calling whatever you don't like fascism even though it literally objectively purely by definition makes absolutely no sense.

Remember when we voted Franco out of power and then he won a second term? Crazy times.

 

[SeltzerMist]

Who is Franco?

 

[Heavy01]

Who is Franco?

Francisco Franco, an actual fascist? I know you probably don't know many actual fascists but look him up. He was in power for 36 years after the communists were defeated in the Spanish Civil war and reigned until his death.

 

[zekro94]

Who is Franco?

Francisco Franco was a dictator here in Spain

 

[SeltzerMist]

Why is someone born in 1892 being brought up here?

 

[Heavy01]

Why is someone born in 1892 being brought up here?

For the same reason you bring up a political ideology from the 1910s that hasn't been relevant in over 3 decades and use it without even understanding its origins or historical context.

 

[Naderino]

Thank you for this Costello, and for making the temp a safe space for us. There are some very strong, dangerous opinions that I've engaged with with some people on this site in very recent years, some of which are respected developers and just because they built some nice stuff, doesn't mean they are welcome to spread supremacist and very hateful bigotry.

 

[Deleted member 705600]

Why is someone born in 1892 being brought up here?

Hitler was born on 1889, Mussolini on 1883

Franco was another leader that moved his country through nationalism and was part of the fascist ideology, even if Spain was slightly neutral during WW2

 

[SeltzerMist]

For the same reason you bring up a political ideology from the 1910s

Point out where I did that please