New Xbox 360 Hypervisor exploit (software based)

[FR0ZN]

Grimdoomer did it again

 

[Blythe93]

The exploit is a race condition/memory corruption and is not 100% reliable (works around 50% of the time). It can take a long time to trigger (upwards of 30 minutes) and if it fails the console will crash and need to be rebooted.

It's not ideal, but it's something at least! I hope that he can somewhat improve even further on this. It's amazing to see this much development on the XBOX 360 hacking scene in a past couple of months.

 

[FR0ZN]

The exploit probably won't get better but the people on Winchesters should be able to use it and dump their NAND + CPU key to acquire their DVD key.
With this you can use LTU2 PCBs or ODEs if you manage to get a hold of one.

 

[DinohScene]

Neat, some 18 years after the first HV exploit.

 

[Jayinem]

If you read his replies right below the post he says this isn't the softmod people desire just a proof of concept and it will repeatedly crash your 360.

I'm not smart enough to RGH my own 360 so I paid someone $50 (like the cost of one game) to do it, no reason anyone can't RGH.

 

[Afeohtan]

This is still something. And hopefully it develops into something more. People should not keep naysaying, as they also thought no one could find an exploit for latest dashboard. If there is a will, there is a way.

Hopefully this can be moved to the news section.

 

[XRed_CubeX]

Let's note how it ended with King Kong, if I'm not mistaken with that exploit you can only boot Linux and you never got to boot homebrew or play unsigned games. If this exploit is published and maybe even the race condition is improved, there's not much we can do if it's like King Kong.

 

[TheStonedModder]

Let's note how it ended with King Kong, if I'm not mistaken with that exploit you can only boot Linux and you never got to boot homebrew or play unsigned games. If this exploit is published and maybe even the race condition is improved, there's not much we can do if it's like King Kong.

King kong never got more because it was patched so quickly damn near no one could use it

Why waste time improving something only a handful can actually use

 

[Armadillo]

This is still something. And hopefully it develops into something more. People should not keep naysaying, as they also thought no one could find an exploit for latest dashboard. If there is a will, there is a way.

Hopefully this can be moved to the news section.

In this case though, the "naysayers" is the person who made it. Literally says it's not the softmod people are looking for and likely never will be.

In the time people have been waiting for a softmod, you could have easily learned to solder to the level the 360 needs and been enjoying unsigned content for years, instead of hoping for for literally decades for a "softmod".

 

[XRed_CubeX]

King kong never got more because it was patched so quickly damn near no one could use it

Why waste time improving something only a handful can actually use

This is also true, but as said by the same person who discovered it, maybe this exploit is not the answer we are looking for as a "softmod", but we can hope that it is a starting point for someone else who can perhaps use this exploit to expand the field of use

In this case though, the "naysayers" is the person who made it. Literally says it's not the softmod people are looking for and likely never will be.

In the time people have been waiting for a softmod, you could have easily learned to solder to the level the 360 needs and been enjoying unsigned content for years, instead of hoping for for literally decades for a "softmod".

I too would have liked to learn soldering but you still have to take into account the fact that you have to learn, have the right skills, the right equipment, the right experience and in any case it's money that goes away but your point of view is still good, only that over the years I still haven't understood how to weld correctly

 

[FFTW]

Its sounds good, but in its current condition it is useless. Hopefully it gets much improved.

 

[XRed_CubeX]

Its sounds good, but in its current condition it is useless. Hopefully it gets much improved.

We actually know little, maybe we can talk about its usefulness when it is released.

 

[Afeohtan]

In this case though, the "naysayers" is the person who made it. Literally says it's not the softmod people are looking for and likely never will be.

In the time people have been waiting for a softmod, you could have easily learned to solder to the level the 360 needs and been enjoying unsigned content for years, instead of hoping for for literally decades for a "softmod".

Well I cannot read the rest of his comment as I am not on twitter.

Not to mention I prefer, if at all possible, to avoid making any modifications to the hardware.

I mean, this guy came this far, finally defeating the latest dashboard's HV and he thinks it will not be possible to go further? Even if he cannot, he could release his source so others can take a look and maybe take things further.

 

[TheStonedModder]

In this case though, the "naysayers" is the person who made it. Literally says it's not the softmod people are looking for and likely never will be.

In the time people have been waiting for a softmod, you could have easily learned to solder to the level the 360 needs and been enjoying unsigned content for years, instead of hoping for for literally decades for a "softmod".

The 360 is the very first console I learned to mod. Both the systems and controllers

I still think it’s one of the easiest systems to learn on. Even more so than the OG Xbox

 

[FR0ZN]

 

[Afeohtan]

Here's hoping the source is released. I know it isn't ideal, but being able to launch homebrew could possibly open more doors.

It would be nice to be able to dump the NAND and HDD.

 

[TheStonedModder]

Here's hoping the source is released. I know it isn't ideal, but being able to launch homebrew could possibly open more doors.

It would be nice to be able to dump the NAND and HDD.

None of that is going to be possible from what it sounds like

The most people have gotten working are basic things like rockband custom songs. This has been around and in testing for a minute now

 

[Xanthe]

This is still something. And hopefully it develops into something more. People should not keep naysaying, as they also thought no one could find an exploit for latest dashboard. If there is a will, there is a way.

Hopefully this can be moved to the news section.

History keeps teaching us the same lesson: 'impossible' is just a temporary state of mind. For years, the consensus was that Xbox 360 softmodding was 'impossible' - yet here we are.

This pattern repeats across every platform - naysayers declare something impossible, until someone with enough dedication proves otherwise.

Whether this particular softmod becomes mainstream in a year or a decade, it's fascinating how 'never' keeps turning into 'now.' The only constant is that barriers keep falling, one 'impossible' achievement at a time

 

[Afeohtan]

Even if we could run a program to patch games to not need the disc would be great as well as game mods. I would love to run mods on Skyrim for 360 as my PC struggles to play this game and my PS3 is failing.

Well, here is the rest of his comment from the first post:

"This is NOT the softmod the community desires, it's mostly a PoC to show the exploit is possible, it will most likely never be robust enough to be considered a "softmod", and I don't think the "softmod" people desire will ever exist.

The exploit is a race condition/memory corruption and is not 100% reliable (works around 50% of the time). It can take a long time to trigger (upwards of 30 minutes) and if it fails the console will crash and need to be rebooted.

There may be room for improvements but I suspect this is as good as this exploit will get. I do plan to responsibly disclose this to MS, I doubt they will patch it but if they do just don't update passed 17559 and you'll be fine.

I will release the exploit with a full write up some time around February (not definitive), and I will most likely present this work at some security conference next year as well. Until then I have no plans on disclosing any further details."

Why, oh why, is he going to reveal how he did this to MS? So they can patch it if desired? All that hard work, possibly thrown down the drain...

 

[Armadillo]

History keeps teaching us the same lesson: 'impossible' is just a temporary state of mind. For years, the consensus was that Xbox 360 softmodding was 'impossible' - yet here we are.

This pattern repeats across every platform - naysayers declare something impossible, until someone with enough dedication proves otherwise.

Whether this particular softmod becomes mainstream in a year or a decade, it's fascinating how 'never' keeps turning into 'now.' The only constant is that barriers keep falling, one 'impossible' achievement at a time

That's just people being realistic and setting expectations.

People have been asking "softmod when?" since king kong exploit first appear, so that's 18 years ago. If this despite the person making it saying "this isn't the softmod people want" it somehow turns into one, does that help the people asking 18 years ago when people said never? Are they still waiting?

What's more helpful, someone asks for a softmod and people say:

Never happening (based on current knowledge at the time), person either moves on or hardmods.

or

Chin up mate, forever is a long time, I'm sure it will eventually happen. Might be tomorrow, might be in 100 years, you might be dead by the time it does, but it will happen.

Second isn't exactly a helpful statement.

Why oh why, is he going to reveal how he did this to MS? So they can patch it if desired? All that hard work, possibly thrown down the drain...

360 dead, there's no need to update anymore. Even if MS make a move on it, you don't have to update.