It appears another "gigaleak" has gone down, involving Nintendo. According to sources online, it appears that Game Freak has been hacked, resulting in internal data from the company being leaked to the public. Those involved in the hacking community or those within general Pokemon related groups are claiming that while they will not be discussing or dissecting the specifics within the leak, it initially is being claimed that there is a total of 1TB of data.

This allegedly includes the source code for Pokemon Platinum, source codes for Pokemon HeartGold and SoulSilver, beta builds of Pokemon Black and White 2, beta builds of Pokemon X and Y, and potential internal codenames for upcoming Pokemon projects. Within it are mentions of an online Pokemon game, a collaborative project between Game Freak and Studio ILCA, the potential code name of the Nintendo Switch 2 being "Ounce", and a project named Gaia, which may be the next generation of Pokemon titles.

Further details are slowly being posted on X, and as more becomes clear, we'll be sure to update this post with new information.

[Gigaleak]

I'm currently hearing that a significant amount of internal data from Game Freak is being leaked onto the Internet.

I don't intend on looking at this data so I can't confirm for myself, but I have heard it includes stuff like source code for HeartGold & SoulSilver.

— OatmealDome (@OatmealDome) October 12, 2024

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Source: X.com: CentroLeaks
Source: X.com: 3clipse_tt
Source: X.com: SwitchTools

[UPDATE]

• As some of the data from the gigaleak hints towards a "Gen 10" Pokemon game, industry insider NecroLipe claims that Pokemon Gaia will launch for both the Switch and its successor system.
• Users on ResetEra claim that a playable build of Legends Z-A is included in the leak.
• Ikkaku, Gaia-K, and Gaia-N are all codenames with Nintendo Switch product codes.
• Synapse appears to be an "online multiplayer" game. This is the collab project with ILCA, who worked on BD/SP. One claim states that it's similar to an MMO, while another says it's closer to Splatoon.
• Contrary to the claims of there being a version of Legends Z-A that is close to complete, the leaker has apparently said they don't wish to spoil the surprises of future unreleased games, so those will not be included in the leak.
• The hack is the result of a phishing attempt on a Nintendo Dev Portal user.
• Beta Gen 3 Pokemon sprites were leaked
• Internal design documents for Gen 4 and Gen 5 were leaked.
• An official map editor for Gen 4 is in the files.
• Logo and boxart design from Game Freak were included.

 

[Kiiro_Yakumo]

With enough money you can sue anyone making an emulator during the first couple of years of the Switch 2 for “unfair competition”, because the law (at least in the US) is muddy enough to let the Nintendo lawyers have enough leverage, especially if you charge money for it.

Sony lost the case against Bleem! because they went after them for copyright infringement and misappropriation of trade secrets, but they still forced them not to use PlayStation’s photos when selling the emulator. They also tricked the antitrust about Sony having an illegal monopoly at the time. Nintendo has no such thing. They would win a lawsuit very easily because the good and angelic hackers that would work on a Switch 2 emulator would be too greedy not to set up a Patreon to charge people with.

Anyway, we’re talking fan fiction territory now. Nothing of the sort has happened (yet?).

Of course "with enough money" one can avoid law, I was describing what the law says because if we will go into "what if", we will need separate topic on that and it may still not be enough. As for Patreon and paying for emulator I admit that part is a bit tricky and probably dependent on country. I think at least in some it wouldn't be a problem but I won't argue on that one as I have very little info on such specific scenario. USA would probably go as you describe, "oh no, you are SELLING emulator?! ILLEGAL!" or something among those lines

Emulation isn't illegal, like driving a car isn't illegal.

But you can modify your car such that driving it is illegal, or you can drive too fast.

These arguments are like someone caught driving at 120mph with a 100% tint on the windscreen, then saying "but driving is legal"

If your emulator violates the DMCA then it's illegal. It's unclear whether you could work round it, because nobody tried.

No objections here, that's why I said emulation is always legal. That doesn't always apply to emulators itself. If the emulator "in question" would have for example official BIOS dump or decryption keys fused with the emulator then things can escalate quickly. That's why safe bet is to always go with "you have to provide BIOS by yourself" kind of approach, that way the emulator is clean in that sense. Same goes for games, if they are dumps legally obtained then there is no problem.

 

[smf]

No objections here, that's why I said emulation is always legal.

Emulation isn't always legal, like driving isn't always legal.

"always" means there are no reason when it could be illegal and you accept that there are times it would be illegal.

Excluding a BIOS and keys doesn't mean that it's guaranteed to be legal either.

You can violate patent or DMCA laws (yuzu violated DMCA, no idea about patents).

Emulation isn't always illegal, but it's not a get out of jail free card.

Same goes for games, if they are dumps legally obtained then there is no problem.

It's kinda hard to obtain a dump of a switch game legally. Sony vs Connectix was made easier because you just put the real CD in your machine and there were no DMCA violations, as they didn't have DRM to bypass.

 

[choolisfound]

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It appears another "gigaleak" has gone down, involving Nintendo. According to sources online, it appears that Game Freak has been hacked, resulting in internal data from the company being leaked to the public. Those involved in the hacking community or those within general Pokemon related groups are claiming that while they will not be discussing or dissecting the specifics within the leak, it initially is being claimed that there is a total of 1TB of data.

This allegedly includes the source code for Pokemon Platinum, source codes for Pokemon HeartGold and SoulSilver, beta builds of Pokemon Black and White 2, beta builds of Pokemon X and Y, and potential internal codenames for upcoming Pokemon projects. Within it are mentions of an online Pokemon game, a collaborative project between Game Freak and Studio ILCA, the potential code name of the Nintendo Switch 2 being "Ounce", and a project named Gaia, which may be the next generation of Pokemon titles.

Further details are slowly being posted on X, and as more becomes clear, we'll be sure to update this post with new information.

https://twitter.com/OatmealDome/status/1845193974534815859​

Source: X.com: CentroLeaks
Source: X.com: 3clipse_tt
Source: X.com: SwitchTools

[UPDATE]

• As some of the data from the gigaleak hints towards a "Gen 10" Pokemon game, industry insider NecroLipe claims that Pokemon Gaia will launch for both the Switch and its successor system.
• Users on ResetEra claim that a playable build of Legends Z-A is included in the leak.
• Ikkaku, Gaia-K, and Gaia-N are all codenames with Nintendo Switch product codes.
• Synapse appears to be an "online multiplayer" game. This is the collab project with ILCA, who worked on BD/SP. One claim states that it's similar to an MMO, while another says it's closer to Splatoon.
• Contrary to the claims of there being a version of Legends Z-A that is close to complete, the leaker has apparently said they don't wish to spoil the surprises of future unreleased games, so those will not be included in the leak.
• The hack is the result of a phishing attempt on a Nintendo Dev Portal user.
• Beta Gen 3 Pokemon sprites were leaked
• Internal design documents for Gen 4 and Gen 5 were leaked.
• An official map editor for Gen 4 is in the files.
• Logo and boxart design from Game Freak were included.

game freak hacking ahh animation
(I completely regret saying this, just so you know.)

 

[Lostbhoy]

Anyways.... How can 1 single source code that has been raped for an eternal amount of re - releases be 1TB in size?? They got actual Pokemon in there???

... Waits for the pokemob to cry foul...

 

[Cailino]

So where do I find these leaks? On BF?

Post automatically merged: Oct 16, 2024

if this was any other non-nintendo related company and things were leaked to this degree, it'd stay in the headlines for a day or two before being ignored. Remember when Disney had thier slack servers hacked and had a similar level leak?, wonder where the smug pricks who insinuate that it's some "Epik owns for being da woke!!" or "For making muh terrible products" then. Best to just not engage in this leak entirely if you want to be consistant with whatever stance you had.

ok, liberal

 

[smf]

Anyways.... How can 1 single source code that has been raped for an eternal amount of re - releases be 1TB in size?? They got actual Pokemon in there???

It's not one game, or even just games.

 

[Lostbhoy]

It's not one game, or even just games.

All pokemon games are the same game. They don't make much else

 

[Laguna78]

Emulation isn't illegal, like driving a car isn't illegal.

Nope, see actual lawyers on this, it is gray. I t wasn't illegal PS1 and PS2 era. Copyright laws since then have changed allot, especially with the emergence of digital/mobile only releases and no emulator have fought in court to verify it is legal anymore.

Heck some games it is illegal to have a backup copy now, especially digital releases, double especially with console games since they do not provide options to make a backup except their own methods and that is mostly backing up saves or back up to encrypted drives.

Emulation legality is no longer legal, laws changed and until it is proved again it is legal then it is wrong to state it is legal, no lawyer will.

 

[Kiiro_Yakumo]

Emulation isn't always legal, like driving isn't always legal.

"always" means there are no reason when it could be illegal and you accept that there are times it would be illegal.

Excluding a BIOS and keys doesn't mean that it's guaranteed to be legal either.

You can violate patent or DMCA laws (yuzu violated DMCA, no idea about patents).

Emulation isn't always illegal, but it's not a get out of jail free card.



It's kinda hard to obtain a dump of a switch game legally. Sony vs Connectix was made easier because you just put the real CD in your machine and there were no DMCA violations, as they didn't have DRM to bypass.

Ah sorry I took different approach to this. Emulation as a process is legal, what I mean is the sole process of emulating processes of one machine on the other is legal, proof emulators exist. I still agree that BIOS, keys and other parts like that have to be legally obtained for "whole package" to be A-OK. To put it into car analogy, the driving itself is legal because cars are well, driving on the streets, however the driver must have valid license (BIOS) and registration ID for that car (encryption keys). If the driver is driving a car without these (aka illegally obtained) then THIS is a problem here, the lack of driving license and registration ID, not the driving as an universally existing process.

As for dumps, if they are exact copy, for example GBA ROM which is the same on every single cardridge then no matter if you have dumped the cardridge by yourself or not because the data matches (of course assuming the region too if applicable).
At least in some parts of Europe - probably whole extension of European Union - it is legal to have ONE backup of game you own so up to this point everything is good.

To go with Switch example, as long as the game "in question" exists in the form of universal ROM somewhere in the net then it can be easly defended that such a backup copy process is possible and as far as law goes it will be OK.

Emulation legality is no longer legal, laws changed and until it is proved again it is legal then it is wrong to state it is legal, no lawyer will.

A reminder that Atlus tried to take down whole PS3 emulator for emulating their "IP" (C)(R)(TM) Persona 5 and see how it ended. The devs only removed wiki entry with information how to run the game for some time and even that wasn't necessary of them but I guess they were being nice to Atlus so they could feel "victorious"...
Besides that well, 3DS emulators exist, Switch emulators exist, there is no problem with emulation itself.
Yuzu was taken down not because of emulation process itself.
Oh and let's not forget about RetroArch existing, if emulation would be illegal, they would easly break the record of money fine for doing multiple "illegal emulations", yet they are still there.

EDIT #1 - To go back to the car analogy one more time. If a driver is driving a car without valid license or that registration ID then policeman will tell the driver "you have invalid license" or "you were driving without license". In other words the license will be the "topic", not the driving itself.

 

[smf]

EDIT #1 - To go back to the car analogy one more time. If a driver is driving a car without valid license or that registration ID then policeman will tell the driver "you have invalid license" or "you were driving without license". In other words the license will be the "topic", not the driving itself.

The driving is the topic, because it's the driving that is the problem.
It's perfectly legal to not have a driving license.

Post automatically merged: Oct 16, 2024

Oh and let's not forget about RetroArch existing, if emulation would be illegal, they would easly break the record of money fine for doing multiple "illegal emulations", yet they are still there.

RetroArch is a front end for emulators, written so they can extract money off other people's work.

One of which is MAME, which purposefully avoids DMCA issues or angry copyright holders.

 

[lMRlAsura]

About the Typhlosion debacle: Some spanish dude created a thread explaining the truth behind that story: https://x.com/Roltas01/status/1846294083909615855

It's in Spanish, but you can translate that no problem.

 

[DexterYeen]

does anyone have the black and white 2006 beta stuff? I cant find a download

 

[urbanman2004]

I swear there's a redundancy of clueless people who will comment and try to argue up and down a/b how American law works, but they've never stepped foot in a US courtroom nor are they even from America

 

[Kiiro_Yakumo]

The driving is the topic, because it's the driving that is the problem.
It's perfectly legal to not have a driving license.

So is legal to not have any kind of BIOS if you are not driving a car, erhm emulating a console.

 

[lMRlAsura]

does anyone have the black and white 2006 beta stuff? I cant find a download

Not gonna find it here, that's for sure. Again, it's not that hard to find it either, but you need to know where to search.

Just... make sure that your identity is protected or else you might receive a few ninjas in your front door.

 

[JustABadger]

About the Typhlosion debacle: Some spanish dude created a thread explaining the truth behind that story: https://x.com/Roltas01/status/1846294083909615855

It's in Spanish, but you can translate that no problem.

I’m not going to make a Twitter account to read this lmao

 

[linuxares]

I’m not going to make a Twitter account to read this lmao

https://nitter.privacydev.net/Roltas01

 

[JustABadger]

https://nitter.privacydev.net/Roltas01

I knew my cousin from Japan was innocent.

 

[DexterYeen]

Not gonna find it here, that's for sure. Again, it's not that hard to find it either, but you need to know where to search.

Just... make sure that your identity is protected or else you might receive a few ninjas in your front door.

haha, yeah I found them on some sketchy website, I'm fucking with them rn and having a lot of fun haha

 

[doorbell8423]

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