In what could possibly be the worst way to start October for emulation enthusiasts, as of just a few minutes ago the Ryujinx repository appears to be down, with the usual "404" message being given when trying to enter any of their related GitHub pages. Not even the main Ryujinx developer account seems to be active.

Currently there hasn't been any official reports as to why this occurred. None of the official social media accounts for the emulator have given any response, nor has any of the developers talked about why the repository is down, but we'll be sure to keep you updated whenever any new developments towards this situation are known.

UPDATE #1: Given the nature of the page being down with a 404 message, it's possible that this could be related to the removal of the Ryujinx account, and not a DMCA. If the repository suffered from a DMCA claim, then the DMCA notice would appear when entering the repository. However, that is not the case, and the DMCA listings from GitHub doesn't have any recent entries for Ryujinx.

UPDATE #2: The Ryujinx Discord server has paused invites for the moment, and additionally, one of the Discord mods posted the following message:
"To clarify, it's not a DMCA, it's not an issue with GitHub. Please wait for further information and refrain from spreading misinfo thanks."

UPDATE #3: According to an official statement on Ryujinx's Discord server, developer gdkchan was contacted by Nintendo and they were offered an agreement to stop working on the emulator project, and while the agreement wasn't confirmed yet, the organization has been entirely removed.

UPDATE #4: According to other devs, the developer was not only contacted, but actually tracked down by Nintendo to his location, and pressured to developer to cease and abandon development altogether for the emulator.

This marks now the 2nd and only main remaining Switch emulator that Nintendo has taken down as of today, and without any proper and clear protection when it comes to emulation and preservation down the road, it's likely that Nintendo will continue on its efforts to bring down emulation as a whole.

Ryujinx GitHub Repository

 

[doorbell8423]

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[Coolsonickirby]

f**King traitor.

genuinely no idea how people can be this entitled to a free program someone spent their free time on.

 

[YuseiFD]

My best guess, is that the new switch successor will be so underwhelming that emulators are just above and beyond the new switch capabilities, so i think it'll be an upgrade, and not a next gen console, it's main feature would be additional raw power to the current switch.

 

[XDM]

My best guess, is that the new switch successor will be so underwhelming that emulators are just above and beyond the new switch capabilities, so i think it'll be an upgrade, and not a next gen console, it's main feature would be additional raw power to the current switch.

By what it looks like the switch 2 is going to be a Switch Pro realistically. It wont be anything in the ballpark of what a ps4 to 5 was like.

Post automatically merged: Oct 3, 2024

Here's me being optimistic (which isn't often) since ryujinx was "not DMCA'ed" that "SHOULD" mean that people with the source code can rename and continue the project

 

[ZeroT21]

It would not surprise me if the switch successor is just a slightly upgraded switch able to do what current switch emus can already do. Seeing how every shred of so-called competition is being stamped out

 

[Maq47]

Not updating security patches is a terrible idea. If it’s just about not wanting to deal with how MS is ruining Windows, maybe consider switching to Linux. You won’t have to deal with MS and you can still keep your shit updated

You do realize that 20% of the software I use on PC doesn't even have a Linux equivalent, right? Heck, my save editors I program cannot be ported to Linux because they rely on WinForms, which is poorly supported on every flavor of Linux, and they would need to be rewritten AFTER I learn a new programming language and UI interface. I even use a text editor for a specific video game that uses WinForms as well, so I won't be able to help translate the game anymore. Switching to Linux even within the next 8 to 10 years is a no-go for me.

 

[BlusterBong]

Nintendo basically wants monopoly. I believe that is in fact illegal to hold a monopoly.
In fact...conosole companies hold monolplies with their exclusives and games.

What monopoly? the monopoly of playing the bing-bing wahoo game on a specific device? They still have indirect competition with Valve Steam Deck and the copycats of that to tend with while we have repeated signs that Microsoft and Sony to a lesser extent are seeing the writing on the wall they made and giving up the console indyustry.

and as much of meme as "wow, Nintendo sure got what they wanted!, I sure can't do x, y, and z to totally bypass it!" is, they kinda did get what they wanted in the end, since we all know what happened with Yuzu and now they were able to get the dev of Ryujinx to sell out by asking nicely. That is already a major blow to switch emulation and now the only "solid options" is just two forks of a dead emulator. One is Suyu, which has barely progressed past 0.0.4 ever since the devs responsible for getting that far abandoned ship and one admitted that Yuzu's source code was radioactive and the only "consistent" progress is the README file, and Sudachi, which is prioritized towards Android anyways so good luck getting Bluestacks up and running on Windows or learning Linux to get Waydroid to work.

Even if Ryujinx forks are made that won't be bothered by Nintendo untill that one gets as popular as Ryujinx was or if the switch successor turns out to be able to be emulated through it super easily even through a yuzu fork, so what? it's ethier not even going to be nearly as consistant as it once was, or end up dying in the long run.

If, and When the next Nintendo Console comes out, there has to be a concerted effort NOT to get it emulated since all it will do is allow the same cycle to happen all over again if no lessons are learned and even then, they'll still get popular by the same group of people who flaunt it around by showing it arround youtube all while plastering Nintendo Games running on non-nintendo hardware on the thumbnails and majority of current day emulation users that throw caution to the wind and make it as public as possible.

If you want to beat Nintendo, the winning move is not to play, and that goes triple for everything they do.

 

[The Catboy]

You do realize that 20% of the software I use on PC doesn't even have a Linux equivalent, right? Heck, my save editors I program cannot be ported to Linux because they rely on WinForms, which is poorly supported on every flavor of Linux, and they would need to be rewritten AFTER I learn a new programming language and UI interface. I even use a text editor for a specific video game that uses WinForms as well, so I won't be able to help translate the game anymore. Switching to Linux even within the next 8 to 10 years is a no-go for me.

Literally just a suggestion instead of keeping an outdated OS. I don't know what software you use and honestly, I don't care.
You are free to do whatever you want though, I am just a wolfcatboy on a gaming forum.

 

[Aurora Wright]

Anyone mentioning "sellouts", "payouts" and so on should just look up that these intimidation tactics have been going on since the Wii scene: https://techraptor.net/gaming/news/nintendo-leak-reveals-extreme-measures-taken-to-track-hackers . You don't stalk someone and show up at their door if you don't want to threaten them. Don't be **** to devs who just had Nintendo pulling disgusting tactics at them.

 

[Lumpofcoal]

Anyone mentioning "sellouts", "payouts" and so on should just look up that these intimidation tactics have been going on since the Wii scene: https://techraptor.net/gaming/news/nintendo-leak-reveals-extreme-measures-taken-to-track-hackers . You don't stalk someone and show up at their door if you don't want to threaten them. Don't be **** to devs who just had Nintendo pulling disgusting tactics at them.

I don't think this is the reason that the ryujinx is backing out. I'm pretty sure that ninty had already figured out who he was in the very first year of its release and have been in constant "discussions" with him. The emulator has been around for 6 long years. If gdkchan were that easily intimidated by ninty's antics, he would have quit within the first year or 2, let alone tough it out for 6. Besides, this sort of things only work if there was something that they could get him with. They can't even bring down the project on github, there's nothing that they can go after him with, not especially considering that it's Brazil.

 

[Aurora Wright]

I don't think this is the reason that the ryujinx is backing out. I'm pretty sure that ninty had already figured out who he was in the very first year of its release and have been in constant "discussions" with him. The emulator has been around for 6 long years. If gdkchan were that easily intimidated by ninty's antics, he would have quit within the first year or 2, let alone tough it out for 6.

It doesn't matter when they doxxed him internally (I actually agree that they probably had his personal info for a while), what matters that they showed up at his door 2 days ago. Why do you have a need to come up with that stuff when Nintendo's track record is obvious here? They've done it with other people and they will do it again

 

[Lumpofcoal]

It doesn't matter when they doxxed him internally (I actually agree that they probably had his personal info for a while), what matters that they showed up at his door 2 days ago. Why do you have a need to come up with that stuff when Nintendo's track record is obvious here? They've done it with other people and they will do it again

Is there any proof that they actually showed up at his door? It's just conjecture.

The point I'm trying to make is that the dev isn't the sort that is intimidated by this stuff, given how long he has been running this gig despite the constant "communication" from ninty.

 

[Aurora Wright]

Is there any proof that they actually showed up at his door? It's just conjecture.

The point I'm trying to make is that the dev isn't the sort that is intimidated by this stuff, given how long he has been running this gig despite the constant "communication" from ninty.

There actually is:

+ I have confirmation of that from a close friend who was also a contributor.

 

[Lumpofcoal]

There actually is:
+ I have confirmation of that from a close friend who was also a contributor.

Considering that it is a "former dev" (is he really one? how long ago?), I doubt its veracity. Not even the actual current staff that broke the news of the agreement mentioned them actually turning up at his doorstep.

Regardless, showing up at his door doesn't necessarily mean that he will be intimidated by it. Not especially when there's nothing they can pursue with legal wise, 0 dmca against ryujinx to date being a case in point. I'm also pretty sure that they would have mailed legal letters of demand to his place before, but he was never fazed by it. That's to say, even if they did physically turn up, it was to offer the sweet deal, not to threaten him. If anything, the dev has the upperhand in the negotiations because of the lack of any legal basis to remove the emu.

 

[916253]

Considering that it is a "former dev" (is he really one? how long ago?), I doubt its veracity. Not even the actual current staff that broke the news of the agreement mentioned them actually turning up at his doorstep.

Regardless, showing up at his door doesn't necessarily mean that he will be intimidated by it. Not especially when there's nothing they can pursue with legal wise, 0 dmca against ryujinx to date being a case in point. I'm also pretty sure that they would have mailed legal letters of demand to his place before, but he was never fazed by it. That's to say, even if they did physically turn up, it was to offer the sweet deal, not to threaten him. If anything, the dev has the upperhand in the negotiations because of the lack of any legal basis to remove the emu.

If you spent like, two minutes of basic effort looking at any of his accounts you would see that he was an active developer, he said "former" because the project was clearly dead by the point he posted this reply. Nintendo is notorious for sending PIs to do surveillance and knock-and-talks as intimidation and scare tactics, as it clearly heightens fear of what might happen if you continue when someone starts showing up where you live and harassing you in person.

 

[Aurora Wright]

Not even the actual current staff that broke the news of the agreement mentioned them actually turning up at his doorstep.

Maybe consider why something like that wouldn't be in the official announcement?

Regardless, showing up at his door doesn't necessarily mean that he will be intimidated by it. Not especially when there's nothing they can pursue with legal wise, 0 dmca against ryujinx to date being a case in point. I'm also pretty sure that they would have mailed legal letters of demand to his place before, but he was never fazed by it. That's to say, even if they did physically turn up, it was to offer the sweet deal, not to threaten him. If anything, the dev has the upperhand in the negotiations because of the lack of any legal basis to remove the emu.

Regardless if their points would stand trial or not, I guarantee no one wants to go to court against a corporation for a hobby project to test that. From their own leaked documents they didn't warn neimod, nor they did fail0verflow before calling bushing on his private phone, but if you're convinced, so be it.

 

[Idaho]

We need a Github Clone that works on .onion so it's fully anonymized, this way no project could fear DMCAs or Nintendo blackmail...

 

[Lumpofcoal]

If you spent like, two minutes of basic effort looking at any of his accounts you would see that he was an active developer, he said "former" because the project was clearly dead by the point he posted this reply. Nintendo is notorious for sending PIs to do surveillance and knock-and-talks as intimidation and scare tactics, as it clearly heightens fear of what might happen if you continue when someone starts showing up where you live and harassing you in person.

I'm not a regular reddit user, I don't know how to look for particular users, let alone their history.

Still, it doesn't necessarily mean he will be intimidated. Would you always do as a person says just because they shouted at you?

Ninty has more to lose from such antics if they take it to the point of harassment. Calling the cops on them and having it blasted on social media would do a metric ton of damage to an entity like ninty that is very image conscious.

Post automatically merged: Oct 3, 2024

Maybe consider why something like that wouldn't be in the official announcement?

Regardless if their points would stand trial or not, I guarantee no one wants to go to court against a corporation for a hobby project to test that. From their own leaked documents they didn't warn neimod, nor they did fail0verflow before calling bushing on his private phone, but if you're convinced, so be it.

If they can reveal the fact that he was offered an agreement, they can reveal the fact that they turned up at his place.

That's the point I'm trying to make. There's nothing for them to bring the dev to court. If they had anything, they would have already dmcaed the project like they did for so many others. Why hasn't ryujinx received a single dmca in its 6 long years of existence? On what basis then will they be bring him to court over? That's why I said that the element of intimidation is lacking. And if they have a legal leg up on him, why wait for 6 years (during which facilitated countless hours of piracy) to do it? They would have gone straight for him the moment they figured out who he was.

I can imagine the following:

Ninty to judge: I want to sue him for making illegal software

Judge/defence: But is it illegal? Why didn't you dmca it?

Ninty: Because it did not violate dmca

Judge: So you are saying that it doesn't actually flout any laws?

Ninty: Yes

Judge: So you want to sue him for making a supposedly illegal software that isn't actually illegal?

Ninty: Yes

Judge: ............case dismissed.

 

[ChronosNotashi]

Yepp! Very common that some are entitled but doesn't want to provide anything.

Pretty much. I mean, anyone want to take a guess as to how many people were using Ryujinx for free, without feeling compelled to provide even a U.S. penny to support the dev in any way?

I mean, we don't know if its money its about. It could been a "You got a very nice software there... would be a shame something happened to it" situation.

Lawsuits are expensive and I bet they aren't cheaper in Brazil. Average salary yearly is something like 6000$

Could also have been a job offer - potentially even to help with backwards compatibility for the new system. The lead dev, with the help of others, was able to reverse engineer the Switch code to get Switch games running on PC, after all. Such talent could be put to use doing the same thing for the next console. We won't know for sure unless details surface to confirm.

 

[ShadowOne333]

Well with Ryujinx ending development, what other fork is the suggested one?
I already have Suyu and Torzu backed up, and I'd have Sudachi if it had a Linux version, but sadly it doesn't.

Does anyone know how to setup Suyu/Torzu with Emudeck's ROM Manager? So Suyu/Torzu get detected as the default apps for Switch emulation.