Trump allegedly indicted in a Georgia 2020 subversion probe

[SeltzerMist]

As I continue to say, a reasonable order intelligent discussion with conservatives simply isn't possible in 2023. They continue to prove this claim in this very thread.

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You think gas is $3.70/gal? I paid $4.72 a couple days ago. Four years ago, mid 2 dollar range. The spike that occurred in 2008 was a relatively short phenomenon (accompanied the recession caused by crash of the housing bubble, which was the result of lenient lending standards to risky borrowers). Gas was up at $5 range in 2022, dipped for a little while because Biden has been draining the strategic petroleum reserve to artificially depress the price, but when the reserve hit an all time low they had to back off that and now gas prices are back up again. And the price of gas affects everything else, which is why things like dairy, eggs, bacon, beef have almost doubled in price in 3 years, and interest rates on used cars are an average 12% or something.

You don't understand numbers, cause and effect, or the passage of time.

Under Trump, 24% of the world's covid deaths occurred in a country with only 4% of the world's population. But gas prices were low!!

Geez wonder WHY they were low.

 

[Hanafuda]

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Basically you and every MAGA

Like I told ya, I was there and read it and saw it on the news same as everybody else. I'm talking NYT, major networks, CNN news, headline stories, all that stuff I listed. Where were you those 4 years?!?

 

[SeltzerMist]

Like I told ya, I was there and read it and saw it on the news same as everybody else. I'm talking NYT, major networks, CNN news, headline stories, all that stuff I listed. Where were you those 4 years?!?

You've been debunked by more than one person already.

 

[Hanafuda]

Under Trump, 24% of the world's covid deaths occurred in a country with only 4% of the world's population. But gas prices were low!!

Everything I listed was pre-Covid. Gas was mid-$2 range before Covid. During Covid it dropped to almost $1 where I live but I don't credit Trump for that. I don't blame him for that virus either. More people died of Covid after Biden became Pres. than during Trump btw. I don't blame Biden for that any more than Trump.

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You've been debunked by more than one person already.

Your opinions aren't "debunking." And @MicroNut99 conceded many of the things I listed.

And btw @MicroNut99, when I said favorable trade deal with Korea, that was South Korea.

 

[SeltzerMist]

Everything I listed was pre-Covid. Gas was mid-$2 range before Covid. During Covid it dropped to almost $1 where I live but I don't credit Trump for that. I don't blame him for that virus either. More people died of Covid after Biden became Pres. than during Trump btw. I don't blame Biden for that any more than Trump.

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Your opinions aren't "debunking." And @MicroNut99 conceded many of the things I listed.

And btw @MicroNut99, when I said favorable trade deal with Korea, that was South Korea.

He conceded 3 things. So you just proved my point about understanding numbers

 

[Hanafuda]

He conceded 1 thing. So you just proved my point about understanding numbers

He conceded 3, and I think would be 4 but maybe a misunderstanding about S. Korea trade deal. And he focused on Covid-era to respond to the low unemployment, low gas prices, and low inflation items. But as I mentioned above, the things I listed were from before Covid, i.e. under normal world circumstances. Of course COVID turned everything upside down, worldwide.

 

[SeltzerMist]

He conceded 3, and I think would be 4 but maybe a misunderstanding about S. Korea trade deal. And he focused on Covid-era to respond to the low unemployment, low gas prices, and low inflation items. But as I mentioned above, those stats were from before Covid, i.e. under normal world circumstances. Of course COVID turned everything upside down, worldwide.

Trump's response was objectively one of the worst given the death rates and the hit the economy took. Highest unemployment ever happened under Trump's watch.

And people still want to vote for the rapist.

 

[Foxi4]

Where nobody is convicted of crimes. That happens in criminal court. Different law, different burden of proof, different procedures and rules.

OJ Simpson was found not guilty of the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman. He was not convicted, and did not go to prison. He is not, by law, a murderer.

But OJ Simpson was found liable to the Goldman family for the death of their son, in a CIVIL CASE. He was ordered to pay them money. (Not sure if he ever did though)

*Ding ding ding!*

Bingo, we have a winner.

No, I can point out that you choose to use the same rhetoric tactics.

Pointing out a *factual error* you made and backing that up with an opinion of a legal expert is not a “tactic”, it’s how a debate works. Since you are unable to produce a record of conviction or a guilty verdict (on account of them not existing), what you are saying is patently false. Allow me to quote you to yourself: “That’s not debatable”. I consider this conversation over, I can only assume that you’re either vexatious enough to not care about the actual truth of the matter so long as what you say is damaging to Trump *or* that you cannot distinguish the difference between saying that someone’s guilty and that someone’s found liable. It doesn’t bother me either way, what you say here does not alter reality.

 

[Xzi]

President doesn't control gas prices, and being the favored puppet candidate of big oil isn't a flex.

It's factually accurate to call Trump a rapist, but not a "convicted" rapist. Again, just petty semantics.

 

[Hanafuda]

Trump's response was objectively one of the worst given the death rates and the hit the economy took. Highest unemployment ever happened under Trump's watch.

And people still want to vote for the rapist.

Lowest unemployment too, before the COVID wrench in the machine happened. But you're right about the response to COVID -- handled poorly all over the world. And nobody's mortality numbers can be trusted, from our CDC which overstates COVID deaths to the CCP's statistics which most experts think are hiding massive death tolls.

 

[SeltzerMist]

President doesn't control gas prices, and being the favored puppet candidate of big oil isn't a flex.

It's factually accurate to call Trump a rapist, but not a "convicted" rapist. Again, just petty semantics.

There are numerous videos which show Fox news talking heads flip 180 on this over and over too

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Lowest unemployment too, before the COVID wrench in the machine happened. But you're right about the response to COVID -- handled poorly all over the world. And nobody's mortality numbers can be trusted, from our CDC which overstates COVID deaths to the CCP's statistics which most experts think are hiding massive death tolls.

Biden economy has had the lowest unemployment actually. Again, you seem to struggle with the passage of time.

 

[Hanafuda]

Biden economy has had the lowest unemployment actually. Again, you seem to struggle with the passage of time.

No, during Trump we had the best unemployment numbers in ~50 years, including an all-time low for blacks. If Biden can arrange the time bracketing to claim something better during his subsequent Presidency, that doesn't mean it wasn't still good for Trump at the time he was Pres. But neither of them presided over the longest periods of low unemployment in US history. And comparing Trump vs Biden on unemployment generally, the choice of words makes a big difference.

https://www.wral.com/story/fact-che...n-record-for-low-unemployment-rates/20940134/

And anyway, the point was to respond to your assertion that Trump's Presidency was, "objectively horrific." When the comparisons have to be so carefully phrased for Biden to eke out a "one-up" on a Trump stat, it might look to some people like your description was a little exaggerated.

 

[Xzi]

And anyway, the point was to respond to your assertion that Trump's Presidency was, "objectively horrific."

Eight trillion dollars added to the debt in one term (a record) and absolutely nothing to show for it except a million dead Americans. Not that Republicans care about either of these statistics, but that's because they lost the ability to view things objectively long ago.

 

[SeltzerMist]

Ah, moving goalposts

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Eight trillion dollars added to the debt in one term (a record) and absolutely nothing to show for it except a million dead Americans. Not that Republicans care about either of these statistics, but they lost the ability to view things objectively long ago.

Cause again, numbers are difficult for them to understand

 

[mrmagicm]

As someone from outside of US, all I can say....Numbers of Economy don't lie, but Woke people can't seems to read numbers ...So despicable ^^

 

[SeltzerMist]

As someone from outside of US, all I can say....Numbers of Economy don't lie, but Woke people can't seems to read numbers ...So despicable ^^

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[mrmagicm]

Man....This is REALLY cheap compared to Europe, and you guyz might earn more......And other continent it's even more in Prices.

 

[Hanafuda]

Eight trillion dollars added to the debt in one term (a record) and absolutely nothing to show for it except a million dead Americans. Not that Republicans care about either of these statistics, but that's because they lost the ability to view things objectively long ago.

More people died of Covid while Biden was President than Trump.

Also:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/17/politics/biden-economy-facts-first/index.html

Read it thoroughly.

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Those are all Democrats.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

Where nobody is convicted of crimes. That happens in criminal court. Different law, different burden of proof, different procedures and rules.

You can still be convicted for civil suits. I appreciate they do not share, in theory, the same gravitas of criminal convictions. But they still exist. Libel is mostly a civil case in most jurisdictions and you would still use the word "libellous" even without a criminal charge.

But OJ Simpson was found liable to the Goldman family for the death of their son, in a CIVIL CASE. He was ordered to pay them money. (Not sure if he ever did though)

And thus he is considered a murderer.

 

[SeltzerMist]

More people died of Covid while Biden was President than Trump.

Also:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/17/politics/biden-economy-facts-first/index.html

Read it thoroughly.

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Those are all Democrats.

They were conservatives.

What # example is this with you demonstrating a lack of understanding the passage of time now?

And you're blaming Biden for people who died from covid which they caught during the trump presidency, or the state of the pandemic here which he's largely to blame for.

I really didn't think you'd say something dumber than your previous posts but here we are.