Thinking about migrating to a Linux distro...

Posting this here since the PC forums here seem to be a ghost town.

The only things that kind of prevent me from jumping into Linux wholesale nowadays is the comfort of everything in my Windows 10 setup being as perfect as it is right now, (outside of Windows 10 not exactly allowing me to be as private as I'd prefer to be) and the many Linux distros to choose from.

Essentially, the needs for my PC nowadays are that I want it to be a gaming PC first and foremost, HTPC when I want to watch movies, anime, TV shows,what have you, listen to music, and maybe type stuff here and there for work, and be able to easily access any file I want and conveniently be able to make changes to said files as necessary. So while GamerOS would be kind of convenient on the gaming side of things, anything to do with setting something up that doesn't use RetroArch would be dead in the water, and I need it to do more than just game in the first place!

I'm not worried about the system requirements. I have an i7-8700k, 32GB of DDR4 RAM, and a GTX 1080, and running all SSDs with no HDDs, so I think I'm all set on the hardware side of things. It's just a matter of what should I go with at the end of the day?

I've had my experiences with a few of these from a month ago when I pieced together an old PC of mine from unused parts lying around and decided to make it my sort of "Linux guinea pig" that wouldn't affect anything from my main build so I could just do stuff without having to worry about accidentally formatting an SSD that has my most up-to-date stuff on it! Here's some impressions based on what I could find. The reason I'm posting this is sort of to help those of you who wish to make a recommendation for a Linux build based on my experiences with the following OSes.



Ubuntu - The one I've had the most experience with, but I remember running into some issues when it came to specialized hardware (think HORI RAP4 Kai specialized). I had this idea from watching an ETA Prime video and seeing all of these Arcade1Up cabinets in the electronics department at the Walmart I worked at to make an "arcade PC" that would put those to shame while also being easy to swap things in and out in a very "we just put this thing into this thing here, set up these sticks to PC mode, configured everything to "just work", and put in a fully powered PC that boots into Big Box at launch" kind of PC build. Nothing too technical, but unfortunately, that was what had me doubting how flexible Ubuntu could be at times when it comes to hardware that isn't as common as an Xbox One controller.

Manjaro - This is a popular one alongside Ubuntu, and while I remember the RAP4 Kais working fine, I remember there being some problem I don't remember. Maybe it was something to do with the interface? I couldn't remember, though.

GamerOS - Like I summarized above, probably one of the easier ways to get SteamOS installed (because I was honestly curious to see how it held up in 2020), and while Steam Buddy is a cool piece of software, it's just too limiting if you want to add something like RPCS3 to launch with Steam. I'm sure there's a way to do it, but some things are just made easier when you have a GUI as opposed to having to navigate a Terminal. I know, that's a thing that you have to get used to with Linux in general, but when you literally have to craft your entire OS around a commandline, you get...

Arch - I've heard that, once this is fully setup, its a godsend. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. All I know is, and maybe this is because I spent an entire week spending entire days trying the above out (and I think Mint was in there somewhere) and solving the various issues with all of the above, but something just being missing or running into a brick wall in the process, I was not in the mood to commandline my way to setting up a GUI just so I can have access to the Arch User Repository (AUR).


I mean, if I had to give a tl;dr of the above, all of these would work fine, except it'd be like there'd be a missing piece of the puzzle from what I have on Windows 10 atm that just makes the experience fall apart for me personally. And I should say, a lot of the more portable files (think RetroArch remaps, save files, shaders, RPCS3 configurations) are stored on external SSDs for easy retrieval in the event that my PC's motherboard bites the dust like it did on the build from which I extracted the CPU and RAM to make my "Linux-test-that-could-be-used-as-a-secondary-PC-for-System-Link-Multiplayer-And-Other-Projects" PC. So I'm not worried about formatting the M.2 on the motherboard for a single OS.

In the end, I want to know what Linux distro do you recommend? Or should I just stick with Windows and use tools that may or may not work given how often Windows 10 updates and how said updates can break said programs that solve the privacy problems that Windows 10 introduced?
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When it comes to hardware compatibility there's really no ideal choice, everything has its pitfalls. You can make any distribution do whatever you want with enough tinkering. That said, I like distributions that make me do as little work as possible and have a high degree of 'out of the box' compatibility, basically Debian or any derivative like Ubuntu or Mint. Ubuntu is probably the way to go as it typically provides more up-to-date software repositories than Debian while not being bleeding-edge.

A simple per-application firewall, like Comodo, is all you really need to prevent Windows updating against your will, and to cripple its ability to phone home. A privacy focused browser like IceCat might also be something worth looking into.
 
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@FGFlann I mean, it's not a huge issue with Windows, but it's just like...you look at your folder that has all of your important sign-in deets and you go, "I don't use, like, any of these anymore. I maybe used this to be able to download something on this one or two forums where they want to be assholes about being able to DL stuff from their site," and realize that, if any of these sites get hacked, you're fucked, you have to change the password or, in an ideal scenario, just delete your account, change the password for this and that, and maybe return to a sense of safety mentally. Personally, I just want to undercut all of that, try and get away from Windows as, given that its the most popular OS, it's the one with the most viruses which, given how nefarious those can be nowadays, I kind of just want to be free of. I know, viruses can come to any OS, and I know Linux has some viruses, but I can't imagine it being on the same level as Windows, you know?

This has just been a part of a mindset I've been developing lately where, other than maybe playing games online and communicating on forums like these, the less information about myself I put out there, the better. Like, I'm deleting my Facebook and other social media mainly because I don't use it at all, and I don't want some freak to go and be like, "it's free real estate!"

If people really want to text and call me and everything in between, I have a phone number!
 
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I understand your concern over websites being hacked. It's happened to me and a few of my old passwords are out there in big site dumps. Password management is a big concern these days. There's numerous ways to go about it but just the basics like not reusing passwords and not using standard English words are sufficient. If you're paranoid like me; I generate unique random alphanumeric passwords for every website I use and, for those I don't memorize, I keep a master list of passwords on a device without internet access.

Security in Windows has come along in leaps and bounds since the old days, it's not the joke it once was. Honestly the best thing you can do is just be smart about your behaviour. Standard things like not running strange programs, or run them in a safe container if you must. It's really not hard to stay safe as long as you're savvy.

I completely agree about putting as little information about yourself as possible online, I got rid of Facebook years ago. I have accounts on Twitter and Parler but they're only really to read other people's posts and make the occasional comment. The internet isn't the chill place it was in the 90s and nothing good will come of being too open.
 
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" the needs for my PC nowadays are that I want it to be a gaming PC first and foremost"
Then Linux is not for you.
Wine is good stuff and may one day get there, virtualisation is also good stuff and does speak to GPUs these days so can maybe get most of the way there but if you are going to have it as a foremost requirement and spend that kind of coin setting up a machine then not yet. Basically neither are quite there and the support for Linux native games is minimal.
If you enjoy the odd game and don't much mind what it is that would be a different matter.
If you can handle dual booting (harder these days when people also expect not to have to even close a browser to play a game) then maybe.

Everything else. Not a problem, or possibly even better than what Windows provides outside of the really high end but not super pro video production gear. Indeed quite a bit can be done within a browser these days.
 
I used to have a dual boot w7/ubuntu, but nowadays I only have w10 on my PC and I use some diferent unix based OS on my rpi (accessing by ssh). So yeah, that's all of the advice I can give you xD I really like Linux distros, but I'm afraid that in the end they are not as usefull as just having Windows
 
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I really like Linux distros, but I'm afraid that in the end they are not as usefull as just having Windows
If you want to be able to play all the latest and greatest games with only your hardware maybe not being able to push enough pixels then yeah Windows is where it is at and likely will be for a little while. It is not that you can't have some fun with games on Linux and co but if it is going to be your main thing or a massive focus for you then yeah that is harder.

If you want an everyday computer and https://xkcd.com/627/ is your main approach to computing, that or you spend most time in a browser, then Linux can do spectacularly and maybe even better than Windows -- you tend not to lose support for hardware as versions roll on (many a lovely printer has continued to work in Linux that would have struggled in Vista, never mind 10. I also make a habit of grabbing old drawing tablets when I see them as wacom has a nasty habit of dropping support immediately).

Most Linux distros will have Firefox and Chrome browsers, and a dozen offshoots, and 95% of the plugins (99.999% percent of those people actually want) will work just fine in them too.

Basic office suite... you have choices really and if you are doing anything serious you don't need an office suite, and naturally you will be covered there as well (all the databases, all the seriously nice layout stuff).

This could go on for a while so https://ninite.com/ and most things that are open source have versions or equivalents.

Its support for normal person uses for NTFS was made just fine years ago, plus it supports all the other stuff. Wireless was similarly cracked way back when, though you might need to drop $10 on a better card.

If you are super wedded to apple products, adobe products*, Microsoft's programming tools, can't even contemplate not using MS office then first my sincere apologies for your predicament and yeah you get to continue to pay for your shortcomings. Maybe some of those are "for my job" and sometimes that is even valid in the extreme ends -- if you take 10000 photos of a weekend event for a magazine in RAW mode and need to sort, see if you can correct an exposure or whatever mistake and categorise then yeah that can be marginally more annoying than some super flash software you pay through the nose for.

*I still maintain I can do most image based things just fine on Gimp (their RAW support is a teensy bit lacking but far better than it was even a few years ago) and Inkscape if I need vector, their video stuff is nice but most things I see on it come out in open source form years before (in my personal case I like the scripting/clip based workflow of stuff like avisynth more than timeline based but timeline stuff is available too), ditto audio. If you mainly want to cut together your holiday videos or most styles of editing and effects I see on online videos then not a problem either.

If you do have it as your daily then you have some massive upsides as well -- it is usually fast as anything, secure as you are, has some "app stores" (repositories for those playing along at home) that people actually care about having good versions of that help you rather than sell stuff to you, generally can be told to get out of your way or have its core components fiddled with fairly easily, has some options if you feel like it actually being your computer you get to tell how to operate, and if you want you don't have the "urgh I will have to upgrade" thing looming over your head.
 
Pop! Is a great starting point, IMO. Personally, I've been dual booting between w10 and Manjaro. Just haven't been using Jaro lately due to a bios update killing my dual boot.
 
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Man, this kind of blew up here in the past 6 hours compared to my previous blog posts! Gonna respond to everyone on an individual basis here:

@FAST6191 I've personally been able to get really good performance on the other PC with Steam Proton. Like, it literally does make Linux games with no native ports just work, for the most part. If a game has a problem with the latest version of Proton (like KOF XIII, some of the visuals got screwed in I believe Proton 5.something), it's just a simple matter of changing the version of Proton to use to an older version, and its like the game is running just as well on Windows! The only games that I'm aware of that still have major problems in my library are MK11, Resident Evil 3 Remake, and maybe Doom Eternal at launch if ProtonDB is anything to go off of, but even then, there's a solution in place that has been getting the first two working just fine (some branch of Steam Proton called GloriousEggroll. It's not complete yet afaik, but it's been making strides). And for what its worth, RPCS3, with the games I did try (mostly arcade-esque games because I wasn't gonna be playing Demon's Souls or Persona 5 on a PC running an i5-4690k), they performed just fine with a quad-core setup, with maybe a slowdown or two here and there.

I don't plan on doing programming anytime soon, let alone any kind of video production work because I have no aspirations to become a YouTuber or do anything online that would have to do with social media since everyone has been taking the "spine weakening pill" where everything offends them and they stand for causes that they only do so just to stay friends with people not worth having a relationship with.

The most I might do is maybe something to do with synthesizer programs to make music? I've been having something of an itch to try playing a synthesizer piano after listening to that Castlevania Concert video on YT lately thinking about a fun hobby to get into after getting my debts taken care of, and I just don't know what programs are on what with Windows, Linux, Mac, or anything on that front.

As for image editing, I'm sure GIMP is fine, but I just remember running into problem after problem trying to jump into it on Windows years ago, and I don't remember YT tutorials being all that helpful from back in the day when I tried it out.



@Memoir When you say Pop! is a good starting point, what exactly do you mean? Like, obviously it seems like you prefer to use Manjaro before that one update you mentioned, which I kind of preferred myself since it comes with a lot of things for gaming out of the box.

I've been considering dual booting if my Windows 10 installation + apps and whatever else is on the C:\ drive didn't take up so much space. :\
 
Dual booting is the way to go. I do almost everything in linux but windows is still the best choice for gaming.
 
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@FGFlann Yeah, I think I'm gonna try dual booting first with the Nvidia Pop! OS since AMD still can't get their head out of their ass with video card drivers after 10+ years of that being theirs and ATi's reputation. (They really need a Ryzen of their video card division, and it has to be supported well if they want to even hope to stand a chance against Nvidia) Just gonna have to uninstall some games from my M.2, though... :(
 
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