My problem with socialization Part 1: Aspergers syndrome and my trouble with Communication.

I been talking to my mom, she tells me things I may not know or remembered when i was young. She tells me of how i used to have personal teacher for learning and speech related reasons. She had pictures of people i can't recognize clearly. Another thing i do remember is that having growing up in school, having friends was not part of my life. I used to get picked upon all the time, bullied into things, peer pressure and such, mocked and other such things. At young ages, is not easy to understand. Watching others do it look so easy, trying it yourself and getting less than stellar results is disappointing, each grade, was a different threat, it gets worst not better. There times where i wasn't even in class, i was always in counsoler office, i was even assisting principal or the dean, not to be confused, i wasn't in trouble, it was more of a reason to occupy my time that i wasn't in class cause of conflict. It was simply stuff to do since i wasn't in class. I still had time to learn none the less.

During middle school, there been times where select people (not sure who they are) Would spectate the classes i was part of. I'm not quite sure why or what the thing was but it was done. There been a class labled "Speech" on my scheudel. While i am not sure if others from different places had such things, this was not a common class. Instead of class with more than 15-30 people, it was just me, and sometimes a guest. Whatever it was, the person would just teach me english. Find it confusing as i already had a Language arts class, which was my.... english class. I learn how to read, write creatively, using words, synonyms, antonyms, homophones, phonics, and such.... you get the idea right? This class was not like that. It was basically a easier lesson than what i was already getting. But i didn't know the teacher pays especially close attention to me in more than my obviously simple and easy responses. I only spent one year in that grade at the school before moving to high school.

At this time i was 8th grade in highschool, it wasn't the common classroom, prior to going there, i had been visiting a doctor, more than one in fact. A psychologist, and psychiatrist. If i am right, one perscribe medicine to help improve mentality related issues, the other is only a observer and study the persons thought processing. I was only 12 at the time and somehow came to the conslusion of Aspergers syndrome. I was 12, to retain most of the idea of this wasn't easy concept for young people. There been many times with the idea of "Lacking friends, social skills, keeping focus etc." Other common elements about those things, when being explained, that had made less sens to me. The thing i understand is that someone said i have a actual problem. My mom at the time didn't understand the concept of it either, but to me the way i saw it is that because i had conflict with people, because i had problems making friends, because i had issues with stuff like focus, if i had friends, had no problems with communication, perhaps the idea of asperger in me would have been unnoticed by longer time period.

If i am confusing let me try to explain. I had issue making friends. The doctor says it could be related to aspergers, I have issues communication, related to aspergers, Focus issues, aspergers related. So if i had normal school life with friends, easy communication, ability to focus, doctors may have more trouble routing my problems to aspergers. My perspective is why is that they have mentioned it several times to me? Had they been there and the ones understanding what is going on, i was the victim in these situation, it was a form of abuse, that is what bullying is. Has anyone try to reason with, talk to, or even plead with a bully? Telling someone like "Sticks and stones" comment is basically about a mentaility issue. The person with strong will can avoid negative impact of words yes, but it doesn't mean words doesn't hurt. It hurts if you let it. But you can't stop someone from hurting you if they decide to, is a decision and option a individual makes and you can't control such things. Basically what one could think of this, is perhaps i don't believe in aspegers, to be honest i felt that doctors came to that based off events that has happend. Had it happened differently, the perhaps it may been ignored. The thing i still wondered is how is it i was the only subject on the matter when i know others was involved with the reason why the problems occur in the first place, i can only keep trying to change not having friends but it only a random factor that can change and depending on the outcome of things.

During highschool, i had been schooled in a more toned down area for such common disorders, it was class of 6 maximum, and 2 Teachers, It was a small school with a limit of 80 people i think. at 12 years old in highschool, wow. Perhaps it could be better for me compared to others. At the time i was still seeing psychiatrist... the one with medicine. I was taking some of them, one was called concerta, it helped aspergers in terms of fixing focus problems or some other stuff i don't remember. Second was zoloft. What many call the "Happy medicine" Cause it was for depression. The third was called Gendon, not quite sure what it did, but it came in a weird shaped capsule like the ones from Dragon ball that bulma had. The other two was like Seltzer water tablets. weather or not they helped me, i dunno. I didn't like taking them, i didn't like the idea of relying on that stuff, not cause i didn't believe it will not work, but cause i didn't believe in aspergers nor understand it. (i was a 12 year old so just something it wasn't simple to know) Plus it tasted awful and had trouble swallowing.

I don't take it anymore. After i graduated highschool i personally requested not to and was given clearence. Another thing i haven't mentioned was some of the testing i had done. Either by doctor or teacher. They had the weird test like the optical illusions, you know, 3D ink patterens that look like butterfly with wings you can pinch, Asking me what kind of animal i would wanna be if i was reincarnated, as if i had thought about it before. Reading quizzes question and asking me to solve riddles, or memory test, building blocks with shapes, and other such bizzare things. whatever reasons for it was, perhaps a IQ test. Or was to help further study of the theory of my aspergers. I didn't like the idea of relying on excsues especially one that sound so negative as aspergers syndrome. Perhaps in my mind, i want to proove something i didn't have to, like I don't have aspergers, i didn't need medicine and that i am normal. I dunno since it was long time ago.

Is been over 10 years ago, since those times of discovering what aspegers is or if i have it or not. The current status now is i'm not a kid anymore, I can understand things bit better. I have been diagnosed with Both ADHD and aspergers syndrome, My thoughts, still as they once was. (First impression is important) Perhaps my opinions will change. I do know my condition is not as severe as others could be, another thing is for having such experiences you would think perhaps time will mold differently for the bettter. If anything, i do have better knowledge, understanding, more open to things as i wasn't before. I personally have gotten better, except my situation with communication and socialzing has not. I Still have the issue of manintaing a relationship with people (No i don't mean as lovers, i mean as any common one, friendship, aquaintance, peer to peer co--work) have trouble conveying what i want people to understand when i speak. Perhaps is the words i choose to use, or how is arranged, I have trouble understanding others so is double standard. Leading to more problems and conflict i wasn't ready or prepared for. Noticing change in some areas of my life i guess is good. I dunno what more to say except i did lack to mention social interaction enough to undersand my POV.

I do like to point out some things here, while talking to majority of people here, i know there is many conflicts with them. All i am doing is addressing the "Elephant in the room" There times i'm not happy, they may not be happy with me, misunderstandings, stuff someone says gets flamed. I just want to apologize for it. I Talked to some people who helps me find comfort.

@mashers wisdom in the matter of communication and knowlege of aspergers syndrome is relief to know others either support or have their own personal struggles that helps me too. I don't just mean that we both have common probelms related to the disorder, but it can be others such as dyslexia, bipolair, and other such things. The personality traits of these disoders i feel deserve respect as they help see things others sometime are oblivious to. @chary has a certain personality i like that fits with me, being able to speak about opinions and joke without conflict is relief for me and in someway a escape that i feel okay with. Is lot better than other things like drinking or drugs. Able to have conversation and easy understanding is a nice thing. @Crystal the Glaceon has lots of experience and phlisophy with social interaction, she has understanding of things that i never thought to come across on my own and helps me see new things i didn't notice before. Her opinions and comments in discussions are never considered hostile or in terms of "Shots fired" As offensive, and jokes also help with relief.

There is more i could mention but i don't often talk to many people for kinda the reasons i already explained. I don't mean i don't wanna try, cause i do. I just sometimes don't feel motivated to do it as often cause of disappointing results in past attempts, so it kinda sometimes spontaneous motivation to do these things. I want to believe that aspergers is not related to most of my social problems, i want to believe that i can do things without thinking "Maybe the doctors are right about me" I want to be able to say everyone is possible of breakthrough. But the fact, relaites, is.... is it true, or not. Can it be done? While many people have different results, is very random. But i like to know myself if others have any kinds of struggles related to such things i talked about here.
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That sucks. TBH if it makes you feel any better. Before you've mentioned aspergers. I've truly never realised it. Which means great job :thumbs_up:
 
@Sonic Angel Knight I've been through a bit of what you stated you have been through too. I've also got Aspergers/ADHD.
 
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Yeah aspergers. Although didn't see that thread.
 
I did tag some people but wasn't sure if they were notified, I can't click the name but i guess is cause is a blog. So i dunno, anyway if they see it or not i guess is okay.

Some of this may sound contraversial but.... Doctors make diagnosis, yes i understand they do cause is part of the job or occupation. Is not gonna change, i guess the thing behind it is if the person being told these things are believeing it or disregarding it. Or misundersanding it. There many possible factors but i won't say i don't have it and doctors is wrong, just at young age, understanding such things were not easy, and usually blame other factors. In turn while it seem like i would just blame the people who choose not to be friends with me or bullies as reasons why doctors would come to the idea, i am not saying it is so as well. Is their choice and they can do what they want. The problem is within all the problems burried underneath is a mess of confusion that is not investigated. That could be helpful as to the reasons why i was not making friends or had bullies. That part has not been throughly investigated, and at the surface is aspergers a primary suspect.
 
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@3DSi Lite & KNUCKLESSSSSS *insert it's time to stop here*
 
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Dr. Menninger of the Menninger Clinic in Minn. states it is not 1 out of 10 who suffer from mental illnessw or perosonality disorders but 1 out of 1. IOW everyones a little out of balance, some of handles it better than others. This balance also seldom remains consistent throughout life. Everything gets better and worse then back again, or something to that affect.

Many personality disorders, emotional and mental issues are spotted/(pre) treated in early education (usually grades k-6) via speech classes and private tutoring. This is very common. Also later in life to find that same individual, who has had troubles finding effective meds for them, frequently turn to 'self medicating' through substance abuse and or the development of habits which desensitize them to both pleasure and pain. These have been common psycho-social trends for generations.

Many people who have gone on to great accomplishments were post humosly and while alive diagnosed with mental, emotional and personality disorders. examples: A. Einstien, Van Gogh, Edison, N. Tesla... etc
I suggest reading an older book; The Myth of Neurosis.

P.S.I too have suffered a diagnosis my entire life. (50++ years) ,damd key
 
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Thanks for sharing your experiences @Sonic Angel Knight. It helps us understand ourselves and each other, but most importantly helps neurotypical people to understand us better.

My experience of school was quite different to yours. Also, I was diagnosed more recently. Social interaction, relationships and life seem harder and harder every day for me. It frightens me to think how my life will be years from now if this trend continues. I try to stay positive, think about the good things my aspergers gives me that other people don't have. But things do feel very difficult right now.

The most important thing I believe is understanding. I want more than anything for other people to understand why I can't manage sometimes, or why I seem not to care, or why I don't get what they mean or say things they don't understand. Most people I know now do understand this. But years of interaction with people who didn't understand me have made me feel quite uncomfortable with people.

We definitely need more people to share their experiences of autism and aspergers. Especially insightful pieces like yours. So thank you again for sharing your thoughts and experiences :)
 
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Well i just shared this cause after being here so long, and some positive and mostly negative things have me thinking too much and i decided to materialize my thoughts (Obvously write them down) So i just had to say all of this. I wanted to explain that i address things or as everyone says "The elephant in the room" And try to set somethings in to proper prospectives. I don't expect people to understand me all the time, i wish they did, perhaps the negaitve penalties that occur would be less or not exisent. One thing for sure is i did make this with my personal affairs part of it. Which is i guess the important part of this.

There other things i wanted to say but saw it was adding more text and perhaps should save for another time. I really dislike the excuse of too much i didn't read it all. Cause it wasn't necessary to leave comments like that. Is here in the open, to read. I prefer more structured comments than something unnecessary. Once again, is something i can't control so i know what is coming and expected. Nothing i can do about it.

I mentioned you mashers along with some others here was cause it was what came to mind during the point of my self expression about redeeming qualities i found here, while there was more only what stands out as impactful and consistent are the things i can remember easily.
 
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