My problem with socialization Part 1: Aspergers syndrome and my trouble with Communication.

I been talking to my mom, she tells me things I may not know or remembered when i was young. She tells me of how i used to have personal teacher for learning and speech related reasons. She had pictures of people i can't recognize clearly. Another thing i do remember is that having growing up in school, having friends was not part of my life. I used to get picked upon all the time, bullied into things, peer pressure and such, mocked and other such things. At young ages, is not easy to understand. Watching others do it look so easy, trying it yourself and getting less than stellar results is disappointing, each grade, was a different threat, it gets worst not better. There times where i wasn't even in class, i was always in counsoler office, i was even assisting principal or the dean, not to be confused, i wasn't in trouble, it was more of a reason to occupy my time that i wasn't in class cause of conflict. It was simply stuff to do since i wasn't in class. I still had time to learn none the less.

During middle school, there been times where select people (not sure who they are) Would spectate the classes i was part of. I'm not quite sure why or what the thing was but it was done. There been a class labled "Speech" on my scheudel. While i am not sure if others from different places had such things, this was not a common class. Instead of class with more than 15-30 people, it was just me, and sometimes a guest. Whatever it was, the person would just teach me english. Find it confusing as i already had a Language arts class, which was my.... english class. I learn how to read, write creatively, using words, synonyms, antonyms, homophones, phonics, and such.... you get the idea right? This class was not like that. It was basically a easier lesson than what i was already getting. But i didn't know the teacher pays especially close attention to me in more than my obviously simple and easy responses. I only spent one year in that grade at the school before moving to high school.

At this time i was 8th grade in highschool, it wasn't the common classroom, prior to going there, i had been visiting a doctor, more than one in fact. A psychologist, and psychiatrist. If i am right, one perscribe medicine to help improve mentality related issues, the other is only a observer and study the persons thought processing. I was only 12 at the time and somehow came to the conslusion of Aspergers syndrome. I was 12, to retain most of the idea of this wasn't easy concept for young people. There been many times with the idea of "Lacking friends, social skills, keeping focus etc." Other common elements about those things, when being explained, that had made less sens to me. The thing i understand is that someone said i have a actual problem. My mom at the time didn't understand the concept of it either, but to me the way i saw it is that because i had conflict with people, because i had problems making friends, because i had issues with stuff like focus, if i had friends, had no problems with communication, perhaps the idea of asperger in me would have been unnoticed by longer time period.

If i am confusing let me try to explain. I had issue making friends. The doctor says it could be related to aspergers, I have issues communication, related to aspergers, Focus issues, aspergers related. So if i had normal school life with friends, easy communication, ability to focus, doctors may have more trouble routing my problems to aspergers. My perspective is why is that they have mentioned it several times to me? Had they been there and the ones understanding what is going on, i was the victim in these situation, it was a form of abuse, that is what bullying is. Has anyone try to reason with, talk to, or even plead with a bully? Telling someone like "Sticks and stones" comment is basically about a mentaility issue. The person with strong will can avoid negative impact of words yes, but it doesn't mean words doesn't hurt. It hurts if you let it. But you can't stop someone from hurting you if they decide to, is a decision and option a individual makes and you can't control such things. Basically what one could think of this, is perhaps i don't believe in aspegers, to be honest i felt that doctors came to that based off events that has happend. Had it happened differently, the perhaps it may been ignored. The thing i still wondered is how is it i was the only subject on the matter when i know others was involved with the reason why the problems occur in the first place, i can only keep trying to change not having friends but it only a random factor that can change and depending on the outcome of things.

During highschool, i had been schooled in a more toned down area for such common disorders, it was class of 6 maximum, and 2 Teachers, It was a small school with a limit of 80 people i think. at 12 years old in highschool, wow. Perhaps it could be better for me compared to others. At the time i was still seeing psychiatrist... the one with medicine. I was taking some of them, one was called concerta, it helped aspergers in terms of fixing focus problems or some other stuff i don't remember. Second was zoloft. What many call the "Happy medicine" Cause it was for depression. The third was called Gendon, not quite sure what it did, but it came in a weird shaped capsule like the ones from Dragon ball that bulma had. The other two was like Seltzer water tablets. weather or not they helped me, i dunno. I didn't like taking them, i didn't like the idea of relying on that stuff, not cause i didn't believe it will not work, but cause i didn't believe in aspergers nor understand it. (i was a 12 year old so just something it wasn't simple to know) Plus it tasted awful and had trouble swallowing.

I don't take it anymore. After i graduated highschool i personally requested not to and was given clearence. Another thing i haven't mentioned was some of the testing i had done. Either by doctor or teacher. They had the weird test like the optical illusions, you know, 3D ink patterens that look like butterfly with wings you can pinch, Asking me what kind of animal i would wanna be if i was reincarnated, as if i had thought about it before. Reading quizzes question and asking me to solve riddles, or memory test, building blocks with shapes, and other such bizzare things. whatever reasons for it was, perhaps a IQ test. Or was to help further study of the theory of my aspergers. I didn't like the idea of relying on excsues especially one that sound so negative as aspergers syndrome. Perhaps in my mind, i want to proove something i didn't have to, like I don't have aspergers, i didn't need medicine and that i am normal. I dunno since it was long time ago.

Is been over 10 years ago, since those times of discovering what aspegers is or if i have it or not. The current status now is i'm not a kid anymore, I can understand things bit better. I have been diagnosed with Both ADHD and aspergers syndrome, My thoughts, still as they once was. (First impression is important) Perhaps my opinions will change. I do know my condition is not as severe as others could be, another thing is for having such experiences you would think perhaps time will mold differently for the bettter. If anything, i do have better knowledge, understanding, more open to things as i wasn't before. I personally have gotten better, except my situation with communication and socialzing has not. I Still have the issue of manintaing a relationship with people (No i don't mean as lovers, i mean as any common one, friendship, aquaintance, peer to peer co--work) have trouble conveying what i want people to understand when i speak. Perhaps is the words i choose to use, or how is arranged, I have trouble understanding others so is double standard. Leading to more problems and conflict i wasn't ready or prepared for. Noticing change in some areas of my life i guess is good. I dunno what more to say except i did lack to mention social interaction enough to undersand my POV.

I do like to point out some things here, while talking to majority of people here, i know there is many conflicts with them. All i am doing is addressing the "Elephant in the room" There times i'm not happy, they may not be happy with me, misunderstandings, stuff someone says gets flamed. I just want to apologize for it. I Talked to some people who helps me find comfort.

@mashers wisdom in the matter of communication and knowlege of aspergers syndrome is relief to know others either support or have their own personal struggles that helps me too. I don't just mean that we both have common probelms related to the disorder, but it can be others such as dyslexia, bipolair, and other such things. The personality traits of these disoders i feel deserve respect as they help see things others sometime are oblivious to. @chary has a certain personality i like that fits with me, being able to speak about opinions and joke without conflict is relief for me and in someway a escape that i feel okay with. Is lot better than other things like drinking or drugs. Able to have conversation and easy understanding is a nice thing. @Crystal the Glaceon has lots of experience and phlisophy with social interaction, she has understanding of things that i never thought to come across on my own and helps me see new things i didn't notice before. Her opinions and comments in discussions are never considered hostile or in terms of "Shots fired" As offensive, and jokes also help with relief.

There is more i could mention but i don't often talk to many people for kinda the reasons i already explained. I don't mean i don't wanna try, cause i do. I just sometimes don't feel motivated to do it as often cause of disappointing results in past attempts, so it kinda sometimes spontaneous motivation to do these things. I want to believe that aspergers is not related to most of my social problems, i want to believe that i can do things without thinking "Maybe the doctors are right about me" I want to be able to say everyone is possible of breakthrough. But the fact, relaites, is.... is it true, or not. Can it be done? While many people have different results, is very random. But i like to know myself if others have any kinds of struggles related to such things i talked about here.
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I don't think some people are ready for the direct communication you get when taking to someone with aspergers. But I think it's better to be direct and ensure you are understood than to be indirect and risk the other person misinterpreting what you mean.
 
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I feel you, I have AS too, in primary school I was bullied, while in middle and high school I was the outcast of the classroom. Sadly no one got wind of my AS, I went to 3 or 4 psychologists and a psychiatrist during my childhood and adolescence and none of them could figure it out. One of the psychologists said I had nothing wrong and that spending a lot of time at the computer was what caused the relational troubles (obviously it wasn't, I spent a lot of time at it because it was the only way I could have a social life - virtually-, and because I liked tinkering with stuff, so they kind of inverted cause and effect) and imposed a time limit which didn't last long, then the psychiatrist diagnosed me with OCD. Then the best friend of a person I liked told me she was an aspie and that I seemed to be one, so I looked it up and I was like "that's definitely me", and I had confirmation with a diagnosis. The psychiatrist who diagnosed me said the OCD diagnosis was dumb as those supposed "OCD traits" were only the routinary traits of AS. I don't think being an aspie is bad as you think it is: it's not an illness, we're just different. I wish people could understand our diversity better.
 
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@Aurora Wright I'm sorry if this is the wrong impression. But I only see and hear this name as the one who made LumaCFW which is great :)
But i didn't even think you knew i exist. :blush:

All joking aside, i understand things better and glad you decided to comment on this. To be honest i never thought of aspergers as negative, one would feel or think so as being the traits, symptoms, or personality type has such things, not to mention most diagnosis with doctors are.... not as pleasent to hear unless is something you want like "You're normal, nothing is wrong, you are healthy" As apposed to "I have bad news..." Dramatic buildup.

There is people with these learning disabilites, personality disorders and other such uncommon traits that have done wonderful things for society such as entertainment, music, technology, videogames, and other such things, One of the pokemon producers has Aspergers, Dan Akyroid has aspergers, some other famous people have aspergers, while i don't find it negative because of what they accomplished, i find it inspiring, motivating and even invigorating to say the least. Of course there is nothing wrong with it but there people out there who treat it negatively and that is why some reputations of things are badly damaged and hard to repair to positive standards.

It all would make sense if people were able to collaberate better on matters like this instead of being like is some sacred taboo thing of very little concern. Of course i don't mean to give attention like for purposises like Charity cases (In the sense of using a image for spotlight that negatively impacts the idea and meaning behind it) But least try to acknowlede there is possibility that mentailty problems not only aspergers exist and should least have some consern, of cours is up to the individual. as i don't mean to force thing upon non co-operating people. :unsure:
 
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Well I'm a "normal person" :P I'm not some developer goddess :lol:
Yeah, I think you're right. I don't like when doctor consider it as an illness either. Actually, the one who diagnosed me is a researcher of the autism spectrum and he said drugs like the ones they gave you should only be handed out in the worst cases for autistic people, because they often work incorrectly or have side effects on us. I had to take two drugs myself when I was diagnosed with OCD and he allowed me to stop after the AS diagnosis, those drugs only made me feel worse (I felt sleepy and unemotional...).
About prejudices, I don't know if it's because I grew tired of people, but even though I feel very lonely I just won't care about interacting with those people who consider me in a bad way because of who I am (this also includes other aspects of me). I might try to explain once, but if they don't understand I'll just stop caring.
 
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Well i maybe wouldn't go as far as "Developer goddess" But the name is ringing some bells. :creep:

Of course you are normal, you're like anyone else here, you do have redeeming qualitys which is always good thing to have. But Is just matter of prespective dependant on ones opinion and how the preceive such things. To that idea i bring upon the reasoning for lables. They exist to have hosting a name for specific things, but it at times turns ugly when improperly used. Labels allow people to identfy something without straineous effects. It keeps order and organizes things to more comfort and approachable level. Except when it comes to people with the naming, wording, different languages and other things related to communications, it can be more problems and trouble than is worth.

Each label or name has reputation of what i guess you call legacy. The idea of aspergers syndrome being bad is not really true, but cause of the neative related symptoms one would think so. Reasons why it probably has people thinking that way. As shown there is people capible of great things even with the diagnosis or label of aspergers syndrome or any other mentality disorder related to personality traits or learning disabilities. Does it mean people prove it doesn't exist? Or does it mean people can still be considered "Normal" even with such uncommon things.

I guess to be honest this matter of who is have diagnosed with it is more common now than it was in the past. Weather is true or not is just observation. I am not really a fan of labels unless is for organise purposes, labels on people is like passing judgement on someone, i have no right or athourity to make such claims, only give or share my opinions based on observation.

There is things i rather not care about but i do anyway, why should i care i ask myself.... but never can answer it, maybe is fear. If i didn't care what people say or think, i would not be making friends or not feeling lonely. If i did care, perhaps things could change, but would i be happy? Is more internal struggle about what decisions to make with what is important to me and what shouldn't be. Should i care if someone hates me? Most people would say no, just move on, talk and make new friends. If of the 10 times you get the same result, you would think to try something different for better result.

The problem is so many, first impressions can leave people with bad idea of trying again, losing motivation to continue trying, depression, not knowing what to do next, the list goes on. Is just things people may not realize of much importance. You want to see progress and trying the same thing one way that hasn't work after 1000, perhaps you reached the point of insanity if you either don't give up or continue with the same mentaility of "Is gonna work i just know it, there millions of people so one has to work" Yes is a large number of people, but how far can one human go before is too late?

Okay maybe a bit too dark and confusing but is still one thing i have concerns with non the less. I think lack of understanding one struggle is why the problems with commnications exist. Not easy to understand people, not everything they say is easily processed in our mind. It takes others longer some shorter some can't even accept it and easliy reject it. mental barriers if i was to call it is why most problems related to domestic and social disputes like the ones here. It can happen anywhere in the world and cyber world. :ninja:
 
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I think the problem is one of expectations. Parents expect their child to develop a certain way... teachers expect children to learn a certain way... people in general expect each other to interact in certain ways...

People with autism, aspergers and other developmental conditions often don't meet those expectations because we're not the same as the people from whom they are derived. For some reason this causes a lot of distress or even offence to others.

Good example from my own experience is interacting with groups of people in noisy environments. Apparently other people enjoy this. I am expected by many people not only to do it, not just to enjoy it, but also to be good at it. When they realise how uncomfortable I am, how upsetting it is for me to be in that kind of situation, they become very upset, offended, or embarrassed. It's as though the ways I prefer to interact with people reflect on them, and the fact that I don't like interacting in big noisy groups is an insult to them. This is as ridiculous as saying that because I drive a red car, people who drive blue cars should be offended by my choice of car colour. Or because I like playing video games, people who enjoy sport instead should be insulted by my hobby. Or because I would rather watch a debate or documentary, people who like watching 'reality TV' should be offended by what entertains me.

I wish people would just stop expecting people to be a certain way and accept that everybody is different. Having aspergers means I'm a bit more different in more ways than two people who don't have aspergers. But there's nothing wrong with that. And if people would respect those differences and learn to stop judging me and expecting me to pretend to be like them, then my life would be a lot easier and aspergers would cease to be a disability.

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I'm guessing mashers rememebers these theory videos well since some of what he said was related to it. Makes me wonder if he rehearsed it.:creep:

 
Yeah I remember those :) I really liked the Smash Is Autistic video. It matches so well how I feel about autism and aspergers. Not sure what you mean by rehearsed, but all of what I wrote was my own words and just dumped to the keyboard with little forethought :P
 
After reading that umm... rant, i see you have a point. Weather or not aspergers syndome is bad or good, i think the main question is should it be classified as disability?

Disabilities is an umbrella term, covering impairments, activity limitations, and participation restrictions. Animpairment is a problem in body function or structure; anactivity limitation is a difficulty encountered by an individual in executing a task or action; while a participation restrictionis a problem experienced by an individual in involvement in life situations. Thus, disability is a complex phenomenon, reflecting an interaction between features of a person’s body and features of the society in which he or she lives.
— World Health Organization, Disabilities

With the list of related contents for the classification, yes in this case. But personally is a opinion based situation. Is known to be many things, learning disability, social disability, verbal disability, mental disability.... perhaps why classifcation is under DISABILITY.

Is the way the legacy of the terms the classifications are from is why is probably developed as negatively as it is, and why is not even under th umbrella term for "Normal" What is normal?

Warning: normal, when used to describe a majority group of people, can be considered offensive to those who don't consider membership of their own minority to be unusual. Care should be taken when juxtaposing normal, particularly with stereotypical labels, to avoid undue insult.

Normal are cultural products (including values, customs, and traditions) which represent individuals' basic knowledge of what others do and think that they should do. Sociologists describe normal as informal understandings that govern individuals' behavior in society. On the other hand, social psychology has adopted a more general definition, recognizing smaller group units, such as a team or an office, may also endorse normal separate or in addition to cultural or societal expectations. In other words, normal is regarded to exist as collective representations of acceptable group conduct as well as individual perceptions of particular group conduct.

Which pretty much explains your point mashers.:rolleyes:
 
i had no idea either. ive got a friend on fb who has that too. i do hope you are well today btw. long time no see or talk. which way would ya say that?? lol.
 
Well indeed I can understand very well what you write and what other people write here too, can feel lots of thigns you write and also pass trought some of them too (well saying so I have AS too).
But well it indeed isn"t something bad, after all why it hsould being different don"t really mean that that"s bad, is only that pre established thigns are still present in our society and people to how some things "should" be, hope this will change in the future.
 
The future is always changing, not knowing what happens is the factor that most people concern with, is scary sometimes to not always have answers to solutions, to spend extended time thinking of such things with the possibility of not achieving the goal. Tons of work and effort, just to know the answers you seek? One of the many things humans do in life. With so many problems, obstacles, blocks and other negative things, finding the time to enjoy the life you only live once is just as much work as it is to anything else.:unsure:
 

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