Millennials (an epistemology)

Long overdue - written with a smirk. :)

Three types.

1. A millennial walks into a hobbyist club (/or an online web forum - you decide), announces "Hey my sh*t is broke", smiles and waits for someone to do something about it.

Key components: Has no idea how to help the situation in any way. Has no deeper understanding about the issue (hasnt even googled it). Never is part of the solution. But has an extreme sense of self worth and an unfaltering believe that they are at the exact right point in time - and will be helped any minute now. Surely. Thanks.

Also - might "nice-bomb" others for as long as he/she thinks, they are on the verge of getting something for free. Also, might do it if they think that you are more famous than them. And be it even on a "youtube famous" level. ;) Is in awe of celebrity, not intellect.

2. Grew up in an environment, where the web already was commercialized to the bahookies, takes pictures of food, likes fake smiles, brands and safe spaces - because a barbie dreamworld default of social interaction is just the upper limit of life complexity he/she needs to gloss over the fact, that people demanding those defaults never are especially bright or socially engaged.

Labels any negative emotion/situation with the term "toxic", to signal to peers how much they will distance themselves from all stuff that isnt fake smiles, brands and free services - like soo much, they even will not think about those things in actual terms - pulling a reverse Voldemort and self censoring even the thought and all possible subsequent discussions on how to tackle actual issues.

An expert in character assassination, because thats the way everyone wins like 93% of their arguments online - thanks to everscrolling feeds, where arguments simply are gone in three, two, one... but the emotional notion sticks.

Wants a safe PC speech online environment, but will participate in any shitstorm at a moments notice.

3. Disconnectedly only doing their job, ("more conservative than their parents") - like censoring posts in a webforum under a general "offtopic label" excuse, while prolonging structures where people voluntarily are participating to get abused by a larger subset of peers - for the benefit of people only providing a loose structure (virtual reputation systems - look how many likes/votes/posts/clicks!) to profit from. Then being very engaged in social issues, that never ever would matter in their own lives - kind of "playing social activist" without having to change or do anything, really.

Also - as soon as someone plays the "maybe we should do something about it" card like - "raising awareness" or actually contemplate behaviors that might not be as destructive for a larger part of a specific community - censor, ban and defame them. So that no one gets any ideas - that things could actually be any different.
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This is pretty much the "cliche" image of millennial I've come to carry around with me.

I would be interested in discarding it though, so heres a first attempt at also seeing the other perspective.

Lead in question into a discussion would be: Have you ever experienced an internet community, where most people werent in it for the "service request", a youtube subscription rank, a trendy social goal, or to "virtue signal optimize" their social media profile?

But you don't have to take the bait, you could write about entirely different perspectives and experiences as well. I promise I'll read them. I'm actually interested in how others see/react to this proclaimed image. :)

Also - as the initial topic is enough provocation for an entire threat, I vouch to stop all provocation in here from this point onward. As I'd actually be interested in a somewhat PC held discussion about those themes.
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Chary said:
So OP, I assume you're not a millennial? But if you're extrapolating subsets and tropes of a group of people, I assume you're not a gen X'er, as they're far too lazy to create a post discussing this.
It's not that we're lazy - generally we just have more important *real* matters to deal with than whining about self-important millennials - especially as we've learned that doing so just feeds their narcissistic ego's.
We do our best to ignore the millennials bullshit.
 
LOL, @Lilith Valentine, the point was... You think people on a tech forum need to know about that. I wasn't referencing the fact that you use facebook.
I was referring to your facebook quote as your signature, might have lead to the confusion there.
Not saying you are hurt, just pointing out that you need to spread your sob story online. This shows your millennial status.
Everyone has issues... Some use social media as a shrink and spread paragraph long stories about how they struggle
("Thanks Facebook, for ignoring my blocks and showing me my ex anyways. I really needed that panic attack" < totally irrelevent to this site ME ME ME ME ME struggle victim)

Remember my point about caring too much about what others think?
Notice how long your post was to explain why your status is a facebook post about your ex boyfriend (On a gaming console homebrew site... LOL)
You have told Notimp before that he can leave if he hates this place, so understand that this comes from the bottom of my heart when I say...
You are on the wrong site!!!! Facebook posts about boyfriends and personal life victim stories do no go here.... Go back to FACEBOOK and INSTA!!!!

**Tune in after her response to hear my story about why my dad never loved me, and my girlfriend is LIKE TOTALLY not leaving me alone, because LIKE i told them to stop talking about me. And LIKE I have to struggle sooo hard because my grandma died recently, and my other grandma is in the hospital. @Lilith Valentine totally thinks they know about me and who I am because I post personal information on a gaming site, but she doesn't know that the only reason I post those things on a gaming site is because I told my girlfriend to STOP texting me!! AND LIKE!!! She just wont STOP!!! MMMMMKKKKAAAAYYYY!!!
 
@Flavindapple
>Criticizes user for posting status update on a gaming console homebrew site.
>Is debating about a subject unrelated to gaming console homebrew.

This is next level hypocrisy.

And while, yes, you could say that posting a story about something (in this case not good) happened to you, it could be just to attract attention.

OR it could also be posting a reason why you haven't logged into the site for months.
OR because there are other users that genuinely care about you.
IDK :rolleyes:.

But hey, we're just those narcissistic, entitled millenials.
 
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@dAVID_
I am discussing the culture of this forum... the issue that Notimp brings is that he notices this culture from other sites has bled into this one.
So you are right, it is not related to gaming console homebrew. its related to the forum which discusses gaming console homebrew.... (As opposed to a discussion about ex-boyfriends.)
DERP
 
@Flavindapple
To no shock to anyone, you doubled down on the ad hominem. I have no reason to continue with someone who's very obviously just here to annoy me.
 
Nice, then allow me to triple down.
You can absolutely classify my discourse as ad hominem. But if we are having a discussion about the behavior of millennials and you happen to be one, would pointing out your behavior be an invalid approach to the topic? If we have a discussion on the behavior of a group, but can't point to an individual of that groups behavior... then what evidence can be used.
In this case I am directing the argument at you as well as the position you hold.
If it was an invalid ad hominem attack I would say "Don't listen to Lilith because she is stupid."
In this case I am saying:
"Looking at Lilith's behavior online, it would seam she fits directly into the category of millennial which was laid out previously in the thread. So she has a bias in this discussion to defend her behavior and has a personal obligation to disrupt the discussion."
 
To me calling someone a Millennial is like Calling a Asian a g*** If it's only use is to describe deragitory unsocialized beings. As there are many that lack understanding of anyone, but themselves, who don't question how to improve themselves only to consider themselves superior and bully/ whine of any that oppose. Media has definitely went far, dopamine with it. Perhaps the reason why so many fake smile and can't get off their phone is cause it's a drug that effects them. And trying to cope without is a withdrawl. We're kind of just clones of our fathers, but evolution of society impacts who we become. Your grandparents may enjoy classic and see metal or rap as evil. It's just a demographic of people is over portrayed for economic use and because of it we're all seen as such.

"I read of furries they're creepy man childs that find animals erotic! You bring great shame to our famiry."
 
@RivenMain Well said. The dopamine hit theory would make sense to me.
As far as it being deragitory, I would agree with you. I don't think it is on the level of a racial slur.
In this case Many adults are exposed to the millennials which embody the negative characteristics discussed in this thread.
There are millennials who don't fall into that category, but because they don't feel the same narcissistic self-importance they do not have the social media presence that the bad ones do.
At first glance it would be understandable why a lot of the older generations dislike millennials. I haven't seen any evidence that the spoiled ones are the minority, and I doubt others have as well.

TLDR: Do you believe that people are unjustified in generalizing millennials when many people have never met one which was not self-centered?
 
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@Flavindapple
Your entire comment about me was based on a surface level scrapping of account. What I post on my wall doesn't need to be about this site and it can be personal information, everyone else does that. Using my last status update and comments in this blog is a hasty generalization fallacy. There actually was a reason behind my actions and a reason behind my actions, a reason more trivial than wanting attention. But that being said, you brought my personal life up and I commented on that topic, it was not a comment made to gain pity nor as a means of belittling you. It was comment made to explain and inform you on a matter that you are ignorant about.
Your comments are an ad hominem because you are attacking my character and not actually addressing the comments themselves. You opted instead to bring my outside information into this blog as a means of going against me over actually talking about my comments. You made generalized statements about based on your surface level skimming of my profile and made that the topic instead. You are trying to use my own personal information as a means of discrediting, without actually addressing my comments.
 
Not sure if you read my comment. I understand what an ad hominem attack is...
You are also hysterically posting multiple sentences with the same meaning.
"Your entire comment about me was based on a surface level scrapping of account." and "You made generalized statements about based on your surface level skimming of my profile and made that the topic instead." < essentially the same sentence, although second one expands.
(Note that I didn't change the topic to the behavior of millennials, that was the original topic, and you continue to be a prime example... so why wouldn't I use you to make a point?)

"Your comments are an ad hominem because you are attacking my character and not actually addressing the comments themselves." and "When reality you are trying to use my own personal information as a means of discrediting, without actually addressing my comments." < again essentially the same thing. I would say slow down and reread before posting
(again, read tripling down comment, this has been addressed. your personal information is an example of the general discussion we are having. If it was invalid I would say your points are invalid because you have a furry avatar, but instead I am saying your points are invalid because you exhibit the negative millennial characteristics at the center of the discussion. So you would be obligated to defending them as a way of defending yourself.)

TLDR: You are displaying many of the negative millennial stereotypes that people assign to the generation, so technically you are the topic of the discussion.

Putting all of that aside, and I'm sure you strongly dislike me by now, lets shift the debate and get off beating the dead horse:
@Lilith Valentine Do you believe that people are unjustified in generalizing millennials when many people have never met one which was not self-centered?
Seeing as you are the strongest defender of Millennial behavior I am interested to see your perspective on this.
 
@dAVID_ How so?

edit: I would really like to know. Seeing as we are in the year of "Everything my opponent says is a fallacy." Yet few point the actual fallacy out. Sounds like buzz wording to me
 
@Flavindapple
Using my personal character isn't necessary for this topic nor is me repeating myself related to the topic on hand. You can't just go after me based on some information and expect me to be cool with that. You literally built up an argument that you believed you could win by using me.
You are quite right about one thing, you I don't like you based on this experience and quite honestly I don't want to continue this conversation with you anymore. You've more than proven what you are doing and I won't continue to feed into your comments.
 
@Lilith Valentine I have to be honest, that was a predictable response.
You could have at least answered the question then left.
I'm not winning any arguments, just addressing the strongest defender in the thread.
The question I posted has nothing to do with you, and we have totally left the topic of your status. (I will even admit that in the spirit of debate it was pretty low of me)

@Lilith Valentine Do you believe that people are unjustified in generalizing millennials when many people have never met one which was not self-centered?

^^ question is still open if you are willing to continue, there is an opening for you to make a strong case with this one. Am honestly interested in what you would have to say.
 
Yikes. If this is what people think of millennials, I'd hate to see what they think of me. That is, assuming I'm not a millennial. Generation gaps are weird.

Of course, you're probably right
 
@kuwanger, the man in that video claims generations do not exist. That's a pretty bold claim. Generations exist in a sense of passing of time. You could say that you are the next generation of your fathers lineage just as he was the next generation of his father.
( Generation is just a term used to imply the next iteration, so the 20ish year difference between generations would make sense.)

Technological differences and global politics can shape the way current society thinks. Those who lived through the great depression were more likely to conserve their money and live humbly even after the nation's rebound. To say that there is no difference between the general behavior of people from 1940-60-80 etc. is hard to believe.

If you can watch the Jack Dorsey or Zuckerburg congressional hearings recently and tell me that there is no difference between the generations then I don't know what evidence will sway you.
On average most Millennials are far better at operating a smartphone than their grandparents. It should not be offensive to suggest this. We should embrace the cultural differences between generations both in the family and in our society, and be aware of the shortcomings as well.
 
@Flavindapple

The point of the video was that people have repeatedly generalized/stereotyped in the same way about "generations". Those who lived through the Great Depression were all effected and shaped whether 10 or 90. The actual span of the Great Depression was only ~10 years which further highlights the artificiality of grouping 20 year blocks.

Technology shapes people but more so at how adept people at each as well as their fondness/nostalgia for certain things. The story of Zuckerburg at the Congressional Hearings has more to do with a generally the Senate often being out of touch with the common person. Some of that ties in to technology, but even in your own example you have to invoke "grandparents" which is more a statement of a large age difference with decades of different experience vs "generations" per se.

You want to argue that specific life events that were very pervasive for a group of people persists, I'd agree--the Vietnam draft could be argued to have effected a generation because it was a specific age group (and gender) that was effected for an extended period of time. But there really hasn't been any specific life events--catastrophes, really--that have meaningfully effected people in the US as a whole or a subgroup in the last 30+ years. Maybe one of the many recessions or the oil crisis would qualify? 9/11 wouldn't count nor would the many school shootings, but the government response would as they have been pervasive and life altering.

Treat a person like a person, not a stereotype. If they're an asshat, then they're an asshat. If ther're nice, they're nice. There's no need to project beyond that.
 

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