Opeth show last night!

opeth pretty cool. if i remember correctly, they toured with my favorite band, Between the Buried and Me, during the progressive naations tour.

I used to listen to this kind of music when I was teenager, until I start looking at the type of music it was and realizing there is no talent whatsoever in someone screaming... I could scream like those bands do, anyone could.

So, I went back to my roots... What I listened to when I was growing up. Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Neil Young, Eric Clapton, Jimi Hendrix, just to name a few. It takes talent to sing the way Robert Plant could belt out high notes. He had an amazing voice in his prime, and the lyrics make a difference too. Most bands today don't sing very good lyrics, and it seems like anyone could get a place in the music industry if you wanted. They synthesize your voice to make you sound better, and then you lip sync, or if you don't you sound like shit. Back in the 70's they didn't have the ability to synthesize very well, so what you heard on the vinyl record was what you got live as well, unless the singer had a cold or something.

You should check out some of the live videos of Led Zeppelin in the 70's. They are by far the best rock band that ever lived. Jimmy page was a guitar god in his day, and he is still to this a great guitarist. It takes talent to play it like that, you don't hear that kind of guitar rifts in heavy metal today, it's all just the same beat over and over.

Whole Lotta Love <-- The stadium this was recording in was so big that in parts of the song his voice (Robert Plant) would echo... That wasn't any kind of effect that they intentionally did themselves.

Black Dog

Stairway to Heaven

The Ocean

I listen to Zeppelin, but its not all about the screaming and vocals in metal. Its about the music, the music is what makes it all.

Well, most of the time the music doesn't have any rifts like most classic rock bands. It's usually the same rifts through out the entire song and there are no solo parts like Jimmy Page. And yes vocals are just as important as the music itself. I've heard songs where the beat is amazing, but the vocals sucks so I don't like it. For me vocals are equally as important. If I can't understand what is being said and it's screaming and doesn't have any actual talent in it, then I will think it sucks.

At least you know that Led Zeppelin and other bands from the classic rock era were good. Most kids these days don't even know who Zeppelin are, and they've never even heard any of the music. Probably because their parents come from the 80's and not the 70's like my parents... Most of time anyway.

[quote name='Joujoudoll' post='1411688' date='Sep 20 2008, 07:12 PM']Well, most of the time the music doesn't have any rifts like most classic rock bands. It's usually the same rifts through out the entire song and there are no solo parts like Jimmy Page. And yes vocals are just as important as the music itself. I've heard songs where the beat is amazing, but the vocals sucks so I don't like it. For me vocals are equally as important. If I can't understand what is being said and it's screaming and doesn't have any actual talent in it, then I will think it sucks.

At least you know that Led Zeppelin and other bands from the classic rock era were good. Most kids these days don't even know who Zeppelin are, and they've never even heard any of the music. Probably because their parents come from the 80's and not the 70's like my parents... Most of time anyway.[/quote]
Yeah I can see where your coming from, but Opeth has solos in every song. Mikael from Opeth is an amazing vocalist though he can do one of the best death metal growls I have heard and his clean voice is just as amazing.

If you want listen to some metal that sucks ass, listen to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InZNBcJTmWs

Funny video, horrible song.

[quote name='NeSchn' post='1411704' date='Sep 20 2008, 11:21 AM'][quote name='Joujoudoll' post='1411688' date='Sep 20 2008, 07:12 PM']Well, most of the time the music doesn't have any rifts like most classic rock bands. It's usually the same rifts through out the entire song and there are no solo parts like Jimmy Page. And yes vocals are just as important as the music itself. I've heard songs where the beat is amazing, but the vocals sucks so I don't like it. For me vocals are equally as important. If I can't understand what is being said and it's screaming and doesn't have any actual talent in it, then I will think it sucks.

At least you know that Led Zeppelin and other bands from the classic rock era were good. Most kids these days don't even know who Zeppelin are, and they've never even heard any of the music. Probably because their parents come from the 80's and not the 70's like my parents... Most of time anyway.[/quote]
Yeah I can see where your coming from, but Opeth has solos in every song. Mikael from Opeth is an amazing vocalist though he can do one of the best death metal growls I have heard and his clean voice is just as amazing.

If you want listen to some metal that sucks ass, listen to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InZNBcJTmWs

Funny video, horrible song.
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I couldn't handle that video... Haha. It was horrifying.

Well, to be honest, Opeth is not my kind of music. I don't like the vocals and there is a constant hard rift in conjunction to the rift from the solo.

I guess I'm just getting old and I can't understand the talent in a band like that. I used to listen to metal when I was about 13 - 18, but since then I have realized that it's not really very talented. My brother-in-law listens to heavy metal, and he doesn't get the true meaning of Led Zeppelin, The Who, Pink Floyd, Creedence Clearwater Revival... Different strokes for different folks.

I like the music I listen to and that's all that matters to me... It should be that way for everyone no matter the genre. But don't get me started on rap or hip hop. That's a totally different animal, and I can't handle that crap. I'd rather listen to the metal bands that I don't like than rap or hip hop.

It's riff. Not rift.

[quote name='PizzaPasta' post='1411847' date='Sep 20 2008, 12:44 PM']It's riff. Not rift.[/quote]

Mmmkay, thanks.

Its all good everyone has their own styles of music. I have been brought up on metal basically.

If it helps, yeah you are old. And for some reason, that makes some people delusional. It has made you delusional, and I am saying this only because I think it would help you to recognize the fact.

The lyrics make a difference? Robert Plant is known for many things, writing prominent and meaningful lyrics is not among them. The guy sang about hobbits for fucks sake. If it takes talent for him to sing his range, then it takes talent for Mikael Akerfeldt to sing his. Not to mention he plays guitar at the same time.

Jimmy Page was a guitar god? Page is reknowned for his sloppy technique. He wrote some of the most memorable riffs around, and is influential for style over that fact.

On top of which, and probably the most damning of all, is the fact you chose to drop into a modern band thread to rally about decades old music irrelevant to the topic. This is some sort of internet equivalent to screaming at him to get off your lawn.

The problem is that you choose to view these icons through a nostalgic lens, and won't recognize them for what they are. I listen to the entirety of Zeppelin, as well as Sabbath, Bowie, Beatles, Hendrix, Pink Floyd, Rolling Stones, Leonard Cohen, Lou Reed, Elton John, you name it. What does that have to do with liking any band after 1979?

Anyway, Opeth are an excellent band. Their compositions are superb, they are adept in playing their instruments, and they've got great dynamics that places them above a lot of other bands in the genre. Personally, one of my favorite bands to come around since the later 90s. I wish I had discovered them back in high school, but I didn't until several years ago.

It's a shame if you can't recognize it, but nobody required the history lesson. The fact that Led Zeppelin is a very good band is inarguable and not in dispute here. If you really want to consider yourself an appreciator of good music, try ditching the preconceptions, coming out of your hole in the ground and taking the fingers out of your ears, and be more open minded toward trying new things. Or don't, and sit in your basement with your turntable listening to Houses of the Holy for the umpteenth time, and miss out on all the great songs while the entirety of music continues to evolve without your observance.

[quote name='dib' post='1412020' date='Sep 20 2008, 02:38 PM']If it helps, yeah you are old. And for some reason, that makes some people delusional. It has made you delusional, and I am saying this only because I think it would help you to recognize the fact.

The lyrics make a difference? Robert Plant is known for many things, writing prominent and meaningful lyrics is not among them. The guy sang about hobbits for fucks sake. If it takes talent for him to sing his range, then it takes talent for Mikael Akerfeldt to sing his. Not to mention he plays guitar at the same time.

Jimmy Page was a guitar god? Page is reknowned for his sloppy technique. He wrote some of the most memorable riffs around, and is influential for style over that fact.

On top of which, and probably the most damning of all, is the fact you chose to drop into a modern band thread to rally about decades old music irrelevant to the topic. This is some sort of internet equivalent to screaming at him to get off your lawn.

The problem is that you choose to view these icons through a nostalgic lens, and won't recognize them for what they are. I listen to the entirety of Zeppelin, as well as Sabbath, Bowie, Beatles, Hendrix, Pink Floyd, Rolling Stones, Leonard Cohen, Lou Reed, Elton John, you name it. What does that have to do with liking any band after 1979?

Anyway, Opeth are an excellent band. Their compositions are superb, they are adept in playing their instruments, and they've got great dynamics that places them above a lot of other bands in the genre. Personally, one of my favorite bands to come around since the later 90s. I wish I had discovered them back in high school, but I didn't until several years ago.

It's a shame if you can't recognize it, but nobody required the history lesson. The fact that Led Zeppelin is a very good band is inarguable and not in dispute here. If you really want to consider yourself an appreciator of good music, try ditching the preconceptions, coming out of your hole in the ground and taking the fingers out of your ears, and be more open minded toward trying new things. Or don't, and sit in your basement with your turntable listening to Houses of the Holy for the umpteenth time, and miss out on all the great songs while the entirety of music continues to evolve without your observance.[/quote]

There are bands in this modern day that I do like, but it's harder in this day and age to find the good stuff amongst the crap.

I was just putting my 2 cents in... I like NeSchn, he's a good kid. I wasn't trying to cause any issues with him. I even said that I like what I like and everyone else should do the same. Like whatever you want.

Led Zeppelin is a band that changed history... They paved the way for music today. I have heard some good rock bands today, but some of them are not my style. More power to you if you find a band you like, I am not going to tell you to stop listening to it. I will give my opinion, but that doesn't mean I expect you to agree with me.

Most pop, rap, r&b, hip hop, etc. really sucks, and the only genres I like are classic rock, indie, and adult alternative.

Please don't take anything I have said the wrong way. I don't expect anyone to agree with me. However, people from my parents generation would agree with me that Led Zeppelin is great.

By the way, I am 23 years old. I don't think that's old old, but I am not into the stuff I was into 5 years ago.

Then they aren't exactly your roots if you weren't there for Woodstock or the like. They were somebody else's roots, you just came along and usurped them after the fact.

Point is, you consider most pop, rap... to suck because you're unwilling to give it a chance, nothing more. The fact is that most of it doesn't suck. Most of us recognize this, so apparently the problem lies with your interpretation.

I mean, you did come here to gripe about 'lip synching', 'manufactured vocals', etc for a band that does none of the above. They can play their instruments, write their own songs, sing really well, and write excellent albums so I'm still having difficulty understanding your position save for the fact that 'well they're a band that wasn't around in 1974, from a genre not shared by Eric Clapton, therefore they must not be worthwhile'.

Anyway, like I said its your loss.

[quote name='dib' post='1412070' date='Sep 20 2008, 03:05 PM']Then they aren't exactly your roots if you weren't there for Woodstock or the like. They were somebody else's roots, you just came along and usurped them after the fact.

Point is, you consider most pop, rap... to suck because you're unwilling to give it a chance, nothing more. The fact is that most of it doesn't suck. Most of us recognize this, so apparently the problem lies with your interpretation.

I mean, you did come here to gripe about 'lip synching', 'manufactured vocals', etc for a band that does none of the above. They can play their instruments, write their own songs, sing really well, and write excellent albums so I'm still having difficulty understanding your position save for the fact that 'well they're a band that wasn't around in 1974, from a genre not shared by Eric Clapton, therefore they must not be worthwhile'.

Anyway, like I said its your loss.[/quote]

I never said Opeth was a lip syncing band... I wouldn't know if Opeth synthesizes their voices or not, and I never claimed they did.

I was saying MOST bands today have their voices synthesized, and they lip sync. Most does not mean all.

I am not into the type of music they produce. I don't like really like how heavy they are, and I don't like the style of singing, but I can respect anyone who can sing and are actually good at it, even if it's not my style.

I also said that I like some bands in this day and age, I didn't say I don't like any band that is not from 1974. Stop twisting my words around.

I don't understand why you are trying to pick a fight with me. I am not here to upset anyone or cause any problems. Why are you trying to cause problems with me?

I don't have any beef with you. I just want to know how this is turning into a flame war?

lucky bastard...

wait a minute, I love High on Fire! DL'd all their albums, they were great live at Megadeth's Gigantour 08 in Vancouver

[quote name='silent sniper' post='1412547' date='Sep 21 2008, 04:36 AM']lucky bastard...

wait a minute, I love High on Fire! DL'd all their albums, they were great live at Megadeth's Gigantour 08 in Vancouver[/quote]
I didn't like them, They didn't do it for me. It didn't get me moving at all or anything, it was just kinda the same Sludge/Death/Stoner Metal for 40 minutes.

opeth is one of the best metal bands around. no arguing that.

i saw them live two times and it was freaking awesome.