Backup Launcher 0.3 alpha

[quote name='Darkkenfox' post='1488973' date='Oct 23 2008, 10:24 PM'][quote name='jughead1111' post='1488955' date='Oct 23 2008, 10:16 PM']I am so ready to try this out I stopped burning patched ones to save on disks 1:1 dont work with v1 thanx for everything Wiigator peace to all the patient people[/quote]

You know what would be cool?

If it's not possible to run the patched backups... It'd be cool having an "unpatcher".
I wouldn't care so much about wasting DVDs... and I think it's easy to work on =)
I'd care about redownload all my games again :l and people who erased the ISOS too

Thanks Wiigator
I"m still trying to help =)
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Yeah and unpacther would be GREAT. But I don't see it happening

[quote name='Lafie' post='1488340' date='Oct 23 2008, 08:56 PM'][quote name='harryk' post='1488297' date='Oct 23 2008, 09:34 PM']What do you mean? I don't get it. Can't you just uninstall the current cIOS with the wad manager? If so what order would it be uninstalled? Just uninstall the cIOS fix? cIOS fix and the original? If both what order what order?[/quote]
Let me see if I can explain the technical side of things. The new Nintendo update, patches ALL IOS's, to remove a certain bug (fake signing bug). Without this bug, homebrew programs are not capable of installing anything new to the Wii system anymore. So that means, you can't install WAD's, you can't install the Homebrew Channel, you can't install a new cIOS.
However, if you have a cIOS already installed, Nintendo didn't patch that one. And since a cIOS is always based on a IOS and has it's basic capabilities, you have an IOS on your Wii that still has that fake signing bug. This is because the current cIOS releases are based on IOS's that still had that bug, so the cIOS you have installed also still has that bug.
Now, that means that homebrew software can use that cIOS, to install new stuff to the Wii system, like a WAD or a new cIOS. But if you uninstall the old cIOS first, you don't have a IOS on your Wii anymore that has the fake signing bug, so homebrew software can't install new stuff to your Wii anymore, including a new cIOS.
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Thank you so much that’s what happen to me because before the last update i install the CIOS36_rev5-64-v1042 to use the backup launcher. After i install the last update everything continue to work fine (install wads, emulators, loaders etc)
so this is because i have that ios that continue to had the bug butwill i be able to install a new ios requeried for example to use the incoming back up launcher 0.3????

[quote name='Jordan10la' post='1489156' date='Oct 24 2008, 04:52 AM'][quote name='Darkkenfox' post='1488973' date='Oct 23 2008, 10:24 PM'][quote name='jughead1111' post='1488955' date='Oct 23 2008, 10:16 PM']I am so ready to try this out I stopped burning patched ones to save on disks 1:1 dont work with v1 thanx for everything Wiigator peace to all the patient people[/quote]

You know what would be cool?

If it's not possible to run the patched backups... It'd be cool having an "unpatcher".
I wouldn't care so much about wasting DVDs... and I think it's easy to work on =)
I'd care about redownload all my games again :l and people who erased the ISOS too

Thanks Wiigator
I"m still trying to help =)
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Yeah and unpacther would be GREAT. But I don't see it happening
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The loader is meant for backups of the games u own.
So it's easy to redump them. A "unpatcher" would feed Nintendos
anti piracy efforts.

[quote name='--=ZerO=--' post='1489612' date='Oct 24 2008, 11:43 AM'][quote name='Jordan10la' post='1489156' date='Oct 24 2008, 04:52 AM'][quote name='Darkkenfox' post='1488973' date='Oct 23 2008, 10:24 PM'][quote name='jughead1111' post='1488955' date='Oct 23 2008, 10:16 PM']I am so ready to try this out I stopped burning patched ones to save on disks 1:1 dont work with v1 thanx for everything Wiigator peace to all the patient people[/quote]

You know what would be cool?

If it's not possible to run the patched backups... It'd be cool having an "unpatcher".
I wouldn't care so much about wasting DVDs... and I think it's easy to work on =)
I'd care about redownload all my games again :l and people who erased the ISOS too

Thanks Wiigator
I"m still trying to help =)
[/quote]
Yeah an unpacther would be GREAT. But I don't see it happening
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The loader is meant for backups of the games u own.
So it's easy to redump them. A "unpatcher" would feed Nintendos
anti piracy efforts.
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And unpatcher ist just not possible. For one because the games are not patched they are decrypted and some data is ripped. The data is gone, they're smaller than normal Wii ISOs. And since they're decrypted you cannot properly sign and hash them again since you do not have the private key used to do this :>

[quote name='pure' post='1489636' date='Oct 24 2008, 12:02 PM'][quote name='--=ZerO=--' post='1489612' date='Oct 24 2008, 11:43 AM'][quote name='Jordan10la' post='1489156' date='Oct 24 2008, 04:52 AM'][quote name='Darkkenfox' post='1488973' date='Oct 23 2008, 10:24 PM'][quote name='jughead1111' post='1488955' date='Oct 23 2008, 10:16 PM']I am so ready to try this out I stopped burning patched ones to save on disks 1:1 dont work with v1 thanx for everything Wiigator peace to all the patient people[/quote]

You know what would be cool?

If it's not possible to run the patched backups... It'd be cool having an "unpatcher".
I wouldn't care so much about wasting DVDs... and I think it's easy to work on =)
I'd care about redownload all my games again :l and people who erased the ISOS too

Thanks Wiigator
I"m still trying to help =)
[/quote]
Yeah an unpacther would be GREAT. But I don't see it happening
[/quote]

The loader is meant for backups of the games u own.
So it's easy to redump them. A "unpatcher" would feed Nintendos
anti piracy efforts.
[/quote]
And unpatcher ist just not possible. For one because the games are not patched they are decrypted and some data is ripped. The data is gone, they're smaller than normal Wii ISOs. And since they're decrypted you cannot properly sign and hash them again since you do not have the private key used to do this :>
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Yeah, that's the other point.

I don't think it's piracy...

You have a Wii, you do what you want to about it.
I think piracy is when you download, burn and sell.. when you get money with that... that's what I think piracy is.

And don't be blind, you guys know that a big number of users will use the loader to do the wrong, like the wadmanager (installing illegal soft).
At least I don't think that's illegal, you are not having money with that =l

That's what I understand about piracy.

sorry about english x)

[quote name='Darkkenfox' post='1490017' date='Oct 24 2008, 10:31 AM']I don't think it's piracy...

You have a Wii, you do what you want to about it.
I think piracy is when you download, burn and sell.. when you get money with that... that's what I think piracy is.

And don't be blind, you guys know that a big number of users will use the loader to do the wrong, like the wadmanager (installing illegal soft).
At least I don't think that's illegal, you are not having money with that =l

That's what I understand about piracy.

sorry about english x)[/quote]

Pretty bang on... although the laws surrounding piracy differ from country to country. The widely accepted definition of "Software Piracy" is as follows:

The illegal copying of software for distribution within the organization, or to friends, clubs and other groups, or for duplication and resale.

It is a grey area and many people have strong opinions regarding software piracy. It invokes many ethical discussions. I have the utmost respect for the individual opinions of everyone. Some people don't eat certain meats or meat at all because of religious or spiritual views and while I don't share the same view it doesn't mean I don't respect it. It's personal choice and people can interpret definitions and laws however they feel is true to them. I look at that definition and it tells me I can download software but maybe it might not be a good idea for me to upload the ISO. But thats just me and again the laws are different everywhere.

To get things back on topic, the hard work that Wiigator and Waninkoko have put into coding and development deserves a standing ovation. It is such a great feeling to see people contributing so strongly to the homebrew scene with developing, increasing the understanding of the Wii, and further advancing the technology we have been given. I look forward to this and future developments. I am greatly impressed with the progress that taken place since the initial leak of Waninkoko's beta.

[quote name='Darkkenfox' post='1490017' date='Oct 24 2008, 07:31 AM']I don't think it's piracy...

You have a Wii, you do what you want to about it.
I think piracy is when you download, burn and sell.. when you get money with that... that's what I think piracy is.

And don't be blind, you guys know that a big number of users will use the loader to do the wrong, like the wadmanager (installing illegal soft).
At least I don't think that's illegal, you are not having money with that =l

That's what I understand about piracy.

sorry about english x)[/quote]
Not to be rude, but you're rationalizing. If you obtain software without purchasing it, that's piracy. Profiting off it is copyright infringement, not piracy. The gray area is whether or not it's piracy if you own a legal copy of the software already. The software producer would have you believe that it's piracy, but most people believe that falls under "fair use" and is allowed.

The backup loader is not piracy. What it will inevitably be used for is.

And for the record, I'm fine with piracy. I'm not costing the record companies/game developers a dime. If there's a game I really want, or from a producer that I want to support, I buy it. I reserved the Fallout 3 Collectors Edition months ago, and I own many PS3/Wii games. When I pirate something, it's something I wasn't ever going to buy in the first place. This doesn't make it legal, but it does make it morally permissible in my book.

HI,
very good job wiigator!!
But talking about public release make evryone nervious,so will you give us somthing to try or you préfere to wait a while?(few weeks)
sorry for my english
Is now nintendo update a problem for all the efforts you made?
I heard cashman already found a way to work out the problem of the update!
Thank s for everything mate the 0.1 is a good first step many games works.
Can t whait to see the progress of the new version,good luck

As I used to be a GM for FFXI when we had to talk about hackers in the game, the easiest way to answer the question of: "Well why is "THIS" wrong" (something like using a windower or something) I would always say. "Not everyone who uses the windower hacks, but everyone that hacks uses the windower"

Same thing can be applied here.

"Not everyone that uses the loader is pirating, but everyone that pirates use the loader."
Now i know their are wiikeys and what not. This is no official statement or anything like that. Its just to get you open to that idea.

Personally, i am not really against piracy even though i dont do it myself. I am against making a profit from it though.

No flamey plz.

Well, then I am a pirate then... I am only going to be honest. I don't care if it is illegal or legal to do it..if it was something considered as shareware and I like using it..that's great. I have been using pirated software for a very long time. In one way or another somebody does it whether they know it or not. And this is really not the place to talk about it. What we should be doing is organizing some kind of way to be effecient in reporting our test results on whatever game you are testing and comparing and compiling once WiiGator decides to go public with it... which seems like forever....because I too want to experience the new version as well as everyone else... sometimes I feel like a dog begging for another treat... and I am sure there will be other homebrews (like bootmii) that I can't wait to get my hands on...

Any other users want to talk about pirating ©opyright infringement topics then we should go make a thread.

As for the backup launcher again... This has me feeling like a kid with a shoebox full of Commodore floppies crammed full of games...while my powersupply has a deskfan blowing on it... praying that I won't have to replace it for a week!

I'm flicking my lighter n the fully attended arena waiting for him to come out with his new hit...as the crowd chants his name for the his new release.

Well said Ironmask. I agree with you 100%.

Enough with the piracy battle I think someone should dump the IOS51 file from an updated wii decrypt it then undo the patches
by nintendo this is where the devs come in make in back into a cios then try to install it and see what happens or just dump the
IOS51 file from an updated wii then install the IOS51.WAD on the unupdated wii this is just a guess this is just a guess
I am thinking the new wad from nintendo isnt what updates the wii that probaly is the rest of and or hidden part of the update
itself the wad probaly is for the shop channell and new games this may help?

Does it make sense use wad manager to just install the wad and not the full update?

Just my 2 cents..... What do you think Wiigator/Waninkoko!

I need a winn-dixie grocery bag full of money

[quote name='IronMask' post='1490276' date='Oct 24 2008, 06:17 PM']Any other users want to talk about pirating ©opyright infringement topics then we should go make a thread.

As for the backup launcher again... This has me feeling like a kid with a shoebox full of Commodore floppies crammed full of games...while my powersupply has a deskfan blowing on it... praying that I won't have to replace it for a week! [/quote]

yeah those were the real good times of gaming ! And most of my good old 5 1/4 discs still work ! look @ all the half arsed bugshit that they throw @ us these day e.g. Mercs 2, Stalker or The Witcher. I`m pretty impressed that Far Cry 2 is so well polished and bugfree, not common these days !

now back to topic *slapping myself in the face*

What we should be doing is organizing some kind of way to be effecient in reporting our test results on whatever game you are testing and comparing and compiling once WiiGator decides to go public with it

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yes we need a better way to give feedback, we need more details than in the actual wiki for exemple

- dump name (scrubbed or not?)
- region of the game
- wii system menu version
- burn speed and software used
- disc brand
- bug encountered

Hey Wiigator are we close to a public beta?

First post.

I left my Wii on Wii Connect 24. It automatically updated me to the latest edition of 3.3U.

I have the Homebrew Channel and Backup Launcher 0.1 installed.

I have Custom IOS v5.

Will I be able to use the new loader when it releases or will I be locked out from updating to Custom IOS v6?

[quote name='Shadowmoses' post='1490436' date='Oct 24 2008, 07:47 PM']

What we should be doing is organizing some kind of way to be effecient in reporting our test results on whatever game you are testing and comparing and compiling once WiiGator decides to go public with it

Click to expand...

yes we need a better way to give feedback, we need more details than in the actual wiki for exemple

- dump name (scrubbed or not?)
- region of the game
- wii system menu version
- burn speed and software used
- disc brand
- bug encountered
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this sounds good. i can provide info on scrubbed as well as patched ntsc regiofriid burnt games and how they will perform on a 50/60 hz PAL TV also capable of reproducing ntsc picture. as well as how they will perform with 480p resolution with a custom monster component cable @ an HD Beamer and if that will work with a PAL WII @ 3.3 E

Ok Gator... I think we're ready... and we are willing to give you the kind of feedback that it takes for you to give it your best at making the dream a reality.

The ball is now in your court. (I think it always was!-LMAO)