What appeared first : Chicken or egg? Here's the ACTUAL LOGICAL and ONLY answer

[Noctosphere]

It's very simple actually if you think of it
The answer is the egg
Chicken are known to be the evolution (or devolution) of dinosaurs
So at every generation of that dinosaur (whichever it is), it became less and less dinosaur and more and more chicken
So, in the end, the parent of the very first chicken wasn't an actual chicken, it was partially chicken, partially dinosaur at that generation
Example, at Generation X, the dino was 95% dinosaur, 5% chicken
At generation X+20, the animal was 50% dinosaur, 50% chicken
At generation X+60, the animal was 75% chicken, 25% dinosaur
At generation X+100, it was 98% chicken, 2% dinosaur
Gen X+100 has an egg, it was Gen X+101 and it was Chicken 99%, dinosaur 1%
Gen X+101 has an egg, it was Gen X+102, and it was Chicken at 100%
So, the child egg of Gen X+101 was the egg of the actual first chicken, and Gen X+102 was the actual chicken

In short, the EGG appeared BEFORE the fucking CHICKEN, got it?

 

[Hayato213]

The better question are you the Chicken or are you the egg @Noctosphere

 

[Creamu]

What about ChickenMcNuggets?

 

[FAST6191]

That is not really how speciation works. If you want a real fun one then go look up "ring species".

 

[Deleted member 575334]

I can give you the direct answer: Both. Because we would get out of this. This is going to be a endless loop of thinking and my 39y old dumb brain couldn't handle that.

 

[FAST6191]

I can give you the direct answer: Both. Because we would get out of this. This is going to be a endless loop of thinking and my 39y old dumb brain couldn't handle that.

You are supposed to recognise it as an unanswerable question but the background you are able to give determines more things.

Ignoring eggs being a feature of creatures way before anything like a chicken was around then

Generally a species is defined as being created when after so much evolution it can't mate with the other and reliably produce fertile offspring. Fertile being key -- there is such a thing as a fertile mule (combination of horse and donkey for the unaware, both having a common ancestor) but they are super super rare. Ring species being when the same original animal diverges (come to a mountain range and one takes left, one takes right and they go down the line for thousands of years, meet again at the other side and while each can go backwards along their respective paths and possibly even back to the common ancestor the eventual creatures can not mate with each other).

The question then becomes what is the furthest back you could take a modern chicken/representative sample thereof (of which there are a few varieties*, some of which may be more primitive than others) and mate it with an ancestor to reliably produce more fertile chickens.
Equally did the mutation to produce the modern chicken "species" happen in the resulting egg or the chicken producing it? Normally mutations happen during conception and combination of DNA, though we do have the whole other field of epigenetics where different genes get expressed and it could be that, or some lucky soon to be chicken could have got a helpful cancer. Equally biology tends to abhor the ideas of firsts, and that is without considering dead ends due to poor luck (would have been the first but tree fell on the nest/predator got it rather than the other in the group/fire wiped out that few square km of forest) and recessive genetics.

You would also have to consider if eggs were a feature of the chicken ancestor at that point. Probably were as the concept seems to go back way further than where that likely lands but there have been stranger courses of evolution vis a vis losing functionality and gaining other stuff.

*another aspect of speciation usually gets considered with dogs -- a great dane is not likely to be able to mate with a chihuahua (though there was a very embarrassing incident with my German shepherd and a pug once) but that is not for reasons of chromosomes or whatever but energy available. You could also probably bring back the ring species idea and within a few generations still make something viable and with donor wombs probably something more than that.
If doing the human with a time machine thing then that gets more tricky as you also get biology and whether brain development had happened enough that the outcome would not be dumb as a box of rocks.

 

[Deleted member 575334]

You are supposed to recognise it as an unanswerable question but the background you are able to give determines more things.

Ignoring eggs being a feature of creatures way before anything like a chicken was around then

Generally a species is defined as being created when after so much evolution it can't mate with the other and reliably produce fertile offspring. Fertile being key -- there is such a thing as a fertile mule (combination of horse and donkey for the unaware, both having a common ancestor) but they are super super rare. Ring species being when the same original animal diverges (come to a mountain range and one takes left, one takes right and they go down the line for thousands of years, meet again at the other side and while each can go backwards along their respective paths and possibly even back to the common ancestor the eventual creatures can not mate with each other).

The question then becomes what is the furthest back you could take a modern chicken/representative sample thereof (of which there are a few varieties*, some of which may be more primitive than others) and mate it with an ancestor to reliably produce more fertile chickens.
Equally did the mutation to produce the modern chicken "species" happen in the resulting egg or the chicken producing it? Normally mutations happen during conception and combination of DNA, though we do have the whole other field of epigenetics where different genes get expressed and it could be that, or some lucky soon to be chicken could have got a helpful cancer. Equally biology tends to abhor the ideas of firsts, and that is without considering dead ends due to poor luck (would have been the first but tree fell on the nest/predator got it rather than the other in the group/fire wiped out that few square km of forest) and recessive genetics.

You would also have to consider if eggs were a feature of the chicken ancestor at that point. Probably were as the concept seems to go back way further than where that likely lands but there have been stranger courses of evolution vis a vis losing functionality and gaining other stuff.

*another aspect of speciation usually gets considered with dogs -- a great dane is not likely to be able to mate with a chihuahua (though there was a very embarrassing incident with my German shepherd and a pug once) but that is not for reasons of chromosomes or whatever but energy available. You could also probably bring back the ring species idea and within a few generations still make something viable and with donor wombs probably something more than that.
If doing the human with a time machine thing then that gets more tricky as you also get biology and whether brain development had happened enough that the outcome would not be dumb as a box of rocks.

Well dude. I have no idea what the fuck you just said. But i believe you. You seem like a smart guy. (You have been studying this for years don't ya?)