Gaming This feels disgusting: Investor hope that Switch fail so Nintendo would put all their effort for Mob

[zoogie]

Let's turn this argument around a little bit, shall we?

How many of you are hoping Nintendo's future mobile initiatives fail so they're forced to rededicate themselves to consoles and tell investors to shove off?

 

[Nightwish]

Nope. I'd expect investors to want to see record profits. Because that's all they care about (generally speaking).

Not only that, they only care about them in the short term. If a company doesn't exist in five years, they don't care.

 

[Deleted-379826]

WHAT?! No no no! JUST NO! You want their legendary handhelds (Okay I guess this is a hybrid) to FALL?! BECAUSE MOBILE GAMES! Please stop going crazy O.o

 

[KingVamp]

Yes nintendo would make a loss if the switch failed, that's obvious. But these investors want it to fail so that nintendo goes full on into mobile games and (in their mind) make record profits which eclipse the loss the switch caused.

So not only do these investors think Switch completely failing wouldn't hurt the company too much, but somehow only having mobile will not only get profits back, but exceed expectations and sustain them? A market that is in an even more unpredictable and shaky moment right now? That's too much of a leap and too much of a risk. How can they even think this way?

Not only that, they only care about them in the short term. If a company doesn't exist in five years, they don't care.

That explains it.

 

[dimmidice]

Nintendo could very well pull a one eighty by firing all of their old investors and get new ones instead.

....firing investors? lolwut.

So not only do these investors think Switch completely failing wouldn't hurt the company too much, but somehow only having mobile will not only get profits back, but exceed expectations and sustain them? A market that is in an even more unpredictable and shaky moment right now? That's too much of a leap and too much of a risk. How can they even think this way?


That explains it.

Because the mobile market is huge and still only growing. Handheld market is shrinking.

 

[osirisjem]

Not only that, they only care about them in the short term. If a company doesn't exist in five years, they don't care.

This !

Investors want big money growth with a short time horizon.
They often think very shortsighted.

 

[RepeatingDigits]

As an investor myself, let me tell you this: we don't give a crap about the companies we're investing in. We just see news, graphs and predictions, we move money in seconds. For example, I'm currently investing around US $7200 on an airline's stock. You think I know anything else other than the name and the graphs? All I care is profits. Their long term plans are worthless to me.
Now of course I do care about Nintendo and can safely say whoever said that has 0 understanding of what Nintendo actually does, or the industry as a whole.
Which was pretty obvious if you think the future is on shitty mobile apps with ads and bad gameplay.
Just keep in mind what I said. Investors barely know anything about companies other than the name and some graphs.

 

[Futurdreamz]

As an investor myself, let me tell you this: we don't give a crap about the companies we're investing in. We just see news, graphs and predictions, we move money in seconds. For example, I'm currently investing around US $7200 on an airline's stock. You think I know anything else other than the name and the graphs? All I care is profits. Their long term plans are worthless to me.
Now of course I do care about Nintendo and can safely say whoever said that has 0 understanding of what Nintendo actually does, or the industry as a whole.
Which was pretty obvious if you think the future is on shitty mobile apps with ads and bad gameplay.
Just keep in mind what I said. Investors barely know anything about companies other than the name and some graphs.

That sounds a little broken to me. But I played a board game called Stock Ticker so I suppose I understand.

 

[CeeDee]

Yeah, well, if Nintendo moves to mobile, I'm gonna go make my own games! With blackjack! And hookers! In fact, forget the games!

 

[Apex]

Maybe we're thinking about this backwards. Imagine if Nintendo did put their full effort into the Mobile market: by setting the bar higher with great games, and potentially improving functionality of mobile games in general, it could make the mobile market a much better place for "hardcore gamers".

Besides, more money earned = more money that can be spent. More people developing Zelda means faster turn around time for Zelda games at high quality. Furthermore, I'd rather not be buying 3-5 different devices per generation, cutting two several hundred dollar systems out of the equation is fine with me.

These are just potential things that could happen if Nintendo did go all in on mobile.

 

[DiscostewSM]

Off-topic, but the title for this thread cracked me up with how it ends at "mob" rather than "mobile"

 

[Futurdreamz]

Except the mobile market is novelty based. Games get interest only if they are new. Pokemon Go? Hell yes! But only for a couple months. Pokemon Neo? meh. Mario Run? Fuck yes Mario! Mario Widdershins? Oh yeah sure. Mario Ultra? meh, ignore.

Profits in the Mobile market are not sustainable. Once the initial novelty of Nintendo games on mobile wears off, it'll just be another game for mobile and who the fuck cares about those? One of the things that make Nintendo games special is how protected they are, and how they are effectively exclusive to gamers with the right hardware and can only be pined over by the "have-nots." When was the lat time a Sega game that released on all the consoles had as much enthusiasm as even Color Splash?

 

[Nightwish]

That sounds a little broken to me. But I played a board game called Stock Ticker so I suppose I understand.

Of course it's completely broken, that's why there's a major economic crisis every 8 years or so and, depending on the economical model and hence papers you believe (because it's really not a science), many other social-economic problems. There is no incentive to plan long term anymore, which is made worse by a 24-hour news cycle endlessly discussing every little thing that happens.

Except the mobile market is novelty based. Games get interest only if they are new.
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Profits in the Mobile market are not sustainable. Once the initial novelty of Nintendo games on mobile wears off, it'll just be another game for mobile and who the fuck cares about those?

I don't disagree with you, but I just want to point out reality is always more complicated.
A lot of entertainment is novelty based, that's just how it is. Star Citizen and No Man's Sky made tons of money by being novelty based. The Wii and the DS were novelty based. But even the mobile market has companies that have been successful for a while.
Also, it's not just mobile that's saturated, there's tons of games coming out on every single weekday, it's the sign of a healthy and developed market - altough it's not a perfect way to finance art, I don't have a better idea other than adding patronage (kickstarter, EA and such).

 

[Yil]

Wait, investors or share holders?

 

[The Catboy]

These are the same people who invested millions when Pokemon Go, then pulled out when they realized Nintendo had nothing to do with it.
Investors are dumb and clearly don't know the companies they represent.

 

[driverdis]

If investors really want to make a profit without running Nintendo completely in the ground, having Nintendo franchises on other consoles would bring in a big chunk of money as way more people already have either a PS4, Xbox One, or PC.

This of course would bother fans who play on Nintendo consoles for the gimmicks and not the games themselves. for example SM64 and Sunshine were great games that would play just fine on Xbox One and PS4 without losing the ambiance of playing Nintendo titles as the N64 and GameCube did not need controller gimmicks to make games that were great.

Banjo-Kazooie and Banjo-Tooie XBLA is also more proof that games that existed on only Nintendo consoles can play the same on another console without ruining the experience.
granted this was only possible as both games were property of Rare and not Nintendo. This was a good thing as the XBLA release is the definitive way to play in HD with widescreen even.
Donkey Kong 64 did not fare so well, it can be played on Wii U but only in 4:3 unless your TV can stretch the game properly (Gamepad 16:9 is SOL) and it is not remastered in any way (not as big of a deal but the widescreen is as the N64 version has it)

This is not to say that some games did not benefit from those, but the core franchises do not need anything other than the Pro controller to play them properly.
I for one am glad I can play Twilight Princess free of the motion controls and mirrored world on Wii U without resorting to Dolphin or Nintendon't with widescreen patches and I can play in HD without the issues Dolphin has and Nintendon't is SD as the Wii was so it is a wash between them.

 

[Yil]

Maybe Nintendo should go private.

 

[RemixDeluxe]

Nintendo should put their Virtual Console catalog on Steam.

 

[driverdis]

Nintendo should put their Virtual Console catalog on Steam.

If Nintendo did this and made their VC games able to use the official Wii U GC adapter and/or make their own N64 USB adapter, people would buy like crazy.

 

[RemixDeluxe]

If Nintendo did this and made their VC games able to use the official Wii U GC adapter and/or make their own N64 USB adapter, people would buy like crazy.

It's crazy they don't do this already. They really insist you buy their hardware to enjoy their content, I wonder if they can keep it up forever.