Hacking The Wii, officially hacked

[FAST6191]

@James B. while it may not cost as much I very much doubt you or I could get ahold of it/one.
Have a read if you have not already:
http://www.warioworld.com/apply/wii.html

I would rather the whole original xbox situation not repeat itself as well.

 

[ploggy]

This was posted over on wiinewz

http://psx-scene.com/forums/nintendo-news/...hack-works.html

 

[Xeronage]

Goody..now if Datel can give us some pressed boot discs, we can throw away modchips

 

[xergal]

And what would stop Nintendo addressing this via an update if Datel did release such a product?

 

[Critical_Impact]

Well once again as someone has said, it depends on what Datel uses to get their product to boot in relation to the game code. So if they use a retail game that they aren't going to block like Zelda then Nintendo can't really do much.

 

[wiithepeople]

Heh, seems like a lot of ppl have made their first post in this topic. I bet tons of people read this topic and couldn't help inserting their 2 cents, I would've if I hadn't joined already. I smell a steep increase in # of members and a new record for 'most members on GBAtemp at once'

I hope there will be some kind of boot disc from a retail game to softmod wii's. Much easier than a modchip installation, and much less hassle.

 

[InfernoZeus]

Heh, seems like a lot of ppl have made their first post in this topic. I bet tons of people read this topic and couldn't help inserting their 2 cents, I would've if I hadn't joined already. I smell a steep increase in # of members and a new record for 'most members on GBAtemp at once'

Not my first post, but my second

QUOTE(wii_will_rule @ Dec 31 2007, 06:05 AM)I hope there will be some kind of boot disc from a retail game to softmod wii's. Much easier than a modchip installation, and much less hassle.

With the Wlip coming out at the end of January, it won't be hard to modchip wii's anymore (as long as you don't have D2C!); but a softmod would still be much better, then my guaranty is still intact.

 

[wiithepeople]

Not my first post, but my second

Actually your 3rd, and I wasn't talking about you

QUOTEWith the Wlip coming out at the end of January, it won't be hard to modchip wii's anymore (as long as you don't have D2C!); but a softmod would still be much better, then my guaranty is still intact.

Yeah, I know, same here. Maybe I should change, in my sig, "waiting for the Wlip" to "waiting for a better solution than a modchip from the 24C3 guys"

 

[Nullkill]

Whats the Wlip? (Link?)

From what I understand; all new consoles are D2C; so whats the benefit of yet another D2A/D2B chip? (Not looking for flames; I really just dont know what a new chip has to offer.)

I myself am also just waiting for the guys at 24C3 to release their findings; I'm chomping at the bit to get started implementing an ISO loader from USB and/or SD.

(My ultimate goal if they truly unlock the wii is to create two channels that do the following:

Channel 1)
Channel to mount/launch ISOs from USB drive or SD

Channel 2)
A channel to add new channels based on new channel data stored on USB or SD; and also provide the ability to delete channels (if this isn't already offered by the wii)

I don't expect these to be easy to implement; but now that the encryption is cracked; its no longer *impossible*. What channels are you guys looking forward to?

 

[InfernoZeus]

Not my first post, but my second

Actually your 3rd, and I wasn't talking about you

I realised that afterwards

I wasn't suggesting that you were talking about me, but this topic was the reason i found and joined this forum.

Whats the Wlip? (Link?)

Links to Wlip site in Spanish and in English.
We also have our very own Wlip topic that was started in October but due to release date being pushed back twice, it was forgotten about. :S

From what I understand; all new consoles are D2C;

Yes, all new consoles are D2C, but lots of people who bought a wii before Nintendo started using the D2C have a DMS/D2A/D2B chipset.

so whats the benefit of yet another D2A/D2B chip?

Wlip isn't a new "chip". The site explains it best, watch the demonstration video.

I myself am also just waiting for the guys at 24C3 to release their findings;

I read somewhere that they are unlikely to release the keys to the general public, but they may make programs to allow users to benefit from their findings.

I'm chomping at the bit to get started implementing an ISO loader from USB and/or SD.

I think that will be the best bit about these findings. Or perhaps even attaching an external harddrive

(My ultimate goal if they truly unlock the wii is to create two channels that do the following:
Channel 1)
 Channel to mount/launch ISOs from USB drive or SD
Channel 2)
 A channel to add new channels based on new channel data stored on USB or SD; and also provide the ability to delete channels (if this isn't already offered by the wii)

I don't expect these to be easy to implement; but now that the encryption is cracked; its no longer *impossible*. What channels are you guys looking forward to?

Sounds like a good plan, though I think the Wii already can delete channels: under data management.

 

[Nullkill]

Ahh, so WLip is a no solder chip... (Sorry, this will be off topic) If you are waiting on a Wlip, i'd recommend going to your local HW store and buying the component needed to make a chiip and programmer:

http://chiip.descrambler.de/index.php/Main_Page

Then flash it with the wiikey firmware.

Worst that can happen if you don't know what you're doing soldering is you lift a pad; then just wait till the Wlip is released in another month.

(I build the chiip and programmer, and all parts ended up running about 7 dollars... Not bad if you are willing to put in a little time to learn how to solder)

 

[Critical_Impact]

He probably means so you can delete the duplicate channels that some of us have.

 

[ssj4android]

Yeah, it would make no sense for the private/signing key to be in memory. I'm thinking it could be the key used used for total disc encryption. No way they'd use asymmetrical for that, right? And the discs are apparently encrypted somehow, probably with a block cipher that used a PRNG in such a way that the images can't be compressed very well if at all. And perhaps some games, like Lego Star Wars, execute code from unsigned (or at least unchecked) files. Does Nintendo have any quality control to prevent such things like Microsoft does?
Or maybe they got the disc encryption key and used some sort of exploit.


Damn it are you stupid?
It takes total sense, otherwise Wii can't decrypt there own things it needs the key inside the wii

You don't need to be rude. It just makes you look like a 10 year old.

What I think the other guy's saying is that it doesn't make sense to have both the public and private key in the firmware. All they need is the key to decrypt the DVDs.

Yeah. I'm assuming the executables are signed by Nintendo. They hash the program and encrypt it with their key (which is the public key in traditional RSA, not sure if it's public or private in the context of signing). The Wii then hashes the executable, decrypts the stored hash with the other key, and compares the two to see if it should boot or not.
So they could perhaps get keys to decrypt everything and resign saved games. It doesn't explain how they got unsigned code to execute.
Also, the Wii games are already encrypted, right? Which is why the rips have to be unscrambled first. Is that doe by the DVD drive? It seems odd that the disc would have another layer of encryption.

 

[theman69]

Great job talented hackers, props from the noob

 

[whatsa]

Excellent. Here's to true region-free, free VC games, and homebrew!

 

[Supertag]

Someone quick ! Make a N64 emulator !

 

[niklasnyfiken]

Also, the Wii games are already encrypted, right? Which is why the rips have to be unscrambled first. Is that doe by the DVD drive? It seems odd that the disc would have another layer of encryption.

The Wii DVD drive descrambles the DVD contents. It's doing exactly what the GC DVD drive did. Once unscrambled, the Wii firmware decrypts whatever it finds on the disk.

 

[FAST6191]

@Supertag there is one in progress for the GC:
http://code.google.com/p/mupen64gc/downloads/list

 

[berlinka]

Wow, I am very curious if they can manage to make N64 roms play in native Wii mode. I think the GC emulated N64 roms don't play all that well.

 

[Nullkill]

It would be cool to have N64 roms play; but would be evencooler if the method of adding channels is unlocked; and you can just add custom N64 roms to the channel list... (And just use the wii's existing emulator)...

Although; I'm not sure how nintendo emulates 64 games... wether they actually recompile them for the wii; or if they do have an emulator on the wii that runs the original game's bin.