Homebrew Freeshop gets DMCA'd on Github...

[Noroxus]

Fairly sure the developer of that site will disregard any such notice, and the server is hosted somewhere the DMCA can't touch it

aaah u sure gotta love hosting websites on foreign servers.

 

[mariogamer]

aaah u sure gotta love hosting websites on foreign servers.

Hey I have a soluce... Let's just put every server of source hosting in arctic or something and then no law...

 

[SoraK05]

I like a lot of your points, but the reason "freeshop" didn't happen on the wii is simply b/c Nintendo didn't offer most full retail titles on nus at the time. It had nothing to do with discipline. The wii scene was way larger than the 3ds scene has ever been, someone would have made it if s/he thought that it was worth it.

Many keys of Wii Shop games have been out, and including towards the end of the Wii. In fact, they are generally there for people to dig into with scene collections (from the keys which are actually real, and weren't fake keys intentionally in the beginning because of things like this very thing), and to do something like Freeshop even for the Wii U's Virtual Wii (and perhaps even the Wii U titles themselves with further Wii U homebrew).
Would it not be convenient to do it, or is a 'Wii Shop set' justifiably small? I think the Wii got hacked almost entirely in just about every means (up to Nintendon't), and yet this one single kind of software like Freeshop was not produced by anybody around. I remember it was an underground thing to suggest, even for personal use and something even sceners would be reluctant to use, let alone a public audience, and to not rattle Nintendo. Things have moved on since the Wii as the first console from Nintendo which was online, but I think it shouldn't be treated more slack, and taking it to a public audience.

I personally think times have changed, and to show for that is the fact that the Wii U hack of these days isn't a coordinated ('ethical') group like Team Twiizers / Fail0verflow.
I think people should be thoughtful and consider some general restriction to certain kinds of software. Nintendo wouldn't attack a software unless it was somewhat below the belt I think. I think people shouldn't get carried away, for not disrupting the flow.

I also think a software like Freeshop is in slightly bad taste, for the ease of use for a public to get 'free games'.

 

[dubbz82]

I do have a feeling that the website containing all the 3DS title keys will receive a C&D notice from Nintendo, freeShop certainly won't be the last Homebrew app to be targeted, I can guarantee you that the Homebrew Launcher website will also receive a C&D notice from Nintendo, just because "it uses exploits that circumvent hardware protection and security measures and creates a loophole for piracy to be created". Enterprises can either be very nice, or very nasty when it comes to protecting their IP, and the enterprises will get away with it because it perfectly fits into the violations of copyright laws in any country, even the US.

There's nothing we can do to stop them, all we can do is defend ourselves. Anyone (such as myself) who really wants fan games and Homebrew to remain safe and to replace copyright law entirely with something completely fair and balanced, as well as a new type of entertainment economy where the government pays for the digital content instead of the consumer, should beg to the government or vote for candidates during elections that well and truly support ROM hacking, reverse engineering, fan games, free speech and copyright law removal to replace it with something fair and balanced. Copyright law is ancient and completely outdated, it was only useful back in the days long before PCs became available. Instead, politicians are trying to revive copyright law that never works in any way, shape or form and destroys the economy, imo.


Switch runs on a chip based off Nvidia Tegra X1. In other words, it's modified and will be very different from the original model of the Nvidia Tegra X1. And I wouldn't be surprised to know if it protects it's bootrom with a series of encryption keys. In fact, it probably won't even be called a "bootrom", it's more than likely it would be a series of startup sequences on different sections of the CPU. There were limitations on what developers could do using the 3DS CPU, because it was designed in that way at hardware level.

Missing the point. They can't wrap their heads around the simple things like how to use RSA (it wouldn't surprise me if the 3d's was susceptible to something like this as well...but we're beyond the point where it actually matters). There's no WAY that the switch will be foolproof. Nintendo's been falling flat on their face with security for a long time now. I don't expect this to change.

 

[Master Dimentio]

So I have freeshop successfully installed on my New 3DS well before this DMCA from Nintendo happened. So long as that 3DS Title key site or that ISO site remain in place I don't see anything ever keeping up from continuing to get games from the Freeshop. And yet still I wonder if after this point there is any risk of getting banned or something by Nintendo by continuing to use and install games through the freeshop.

 

[KunoichiZ]

So I have freeshop successfully installed on my New 3DS well before this DMCA from Nintendo happened. So long as that 3DS Title key site or that ISO site remain in place I don't see anything ever keeping up from continuing to get games from the Freeshop. And yet still I wonder if after this point there is any risk of getting banned or something by Nintendo by continuing to use and install games through the freeshop.

There is no risk of a ban, ffs.

 

[x65943]

Given nintendo's track record it's kind of crazy to expect them to change the nus architecture to detect this sort of thing.

 

[Miles54321]

There is no risk of a ban, ffs.

So I have freeshop successfully installed on my New 3DS well before this DMCA from Nintendo happened. So long as that 3DS Title key site or that ISO site remain in place I don't see anything ever keeping up from continuing to get games from the Freeshop. And yet still I wonder if after this point there is any risk of getting banned or something by Nintendo by continuing to use and install games through the freeshop.

Given nintendo's track record it's kind of crazy to expect them to change the nus architecture to detect this sort of thing.

Freeshop is now back on "that" Iso site so it's still downloadable, just not from github atm

 

[KunoichiZ]

Freeshop is now back on "that" Iso site so it's still downloadable, just not from github atm

Thanks for quoting me...? I don't care because I already have it.

 

[Miles54321]

Thanks for quoting me...? I don't care because I already have it.

Same, will development for it end now or will it continue to get updates?

 

[Posghetti]

Same, will development for it end now or will it continue to get updates?

We don't know that yet, TheCruel seemed very positive about not giving up on the project yet, but it doesn't seem like he's going to do anything with it either atm. Gotta keep it lowkey and we'll find out sooner or later.

 

[Miles54321]

We don't know that yet, TheCruel seemed very positive about not giving up on the project yet, but it doesn't seem like he's going to do anything with it either atm. Gotta keep it lowkey and we'll find out sooner or later.

Good point, thats true

 

[OrGoN3]

Same, will development for it end now or will it continue to get updates?

Depends. TheCruel is still looking into options, based on his interviews. If he fights the DMCA, he may be opening himself up to a lawsuit. Perhaps Ninty's billion dollar attorneys can convince a jury that he is breaking the law, with fancy talk. Or perhaps there is some weird wording of the law that makes what he is doing illegal, even though it should not be.

TL;DR: just wait.

 

[Alex658]

We don't know that yet, TheCruel seemed very positive about not giving up on the project yet, but it doesn't seem like he's going to do anything with it either atm. Gotta keep it lowkey and we'll find out sooner or later.

He said he'll keep updating the cache, as it's in a separate repo that didn't get the notice.

In addition to the TitleKeys, freeshop needs to keep updating its cache or else newer games won't appear even if you have the EncTitleKeys/DecTitleKeys for it. (unlike CIAngel or other programs)

He wants to continue on the app itself, said it hasn't recently had too many updates recently, and if he does update it worst case scenario you'll have to download it manually as the app hardcoded-fixed to update itself through github, which is obviously down. Those have been his statements on the matter.

The app will work as usual in the meantime.

 

[MorshumanKL02]

Well I already have freeshop last update was 2.0 i belive a couple weeks back, and you can get it from the -removed- site if you don't have it... even if all of it gets taken down on websites someone can always use decrypt9 to export the CIA of freeshop.cia to their sd card and keep re-uping it to the internet..
Hopefully the nintendy doesn't pursue the takedowns further i can understand their a little ticked off of having their bootrom dumped and exploited from the recent announcement of the 33c3.

 

[McWhiters9511]

its still on that chaotic site and will most likely continue to be uploaded

 

[codezer0]

So, is there going to be a new fork of freeshop? A mirroring? Will the auto-update of those who have freeshop installed already work? These are the questions I feel I must ask.

 

[OrGoN3]

So, is there going to be a new fork of freeshop? A mirroring? Will the auto-update of those who have freeshop installed already work? These are the questions I feel I must ask.

These questions were already answered. All forks were DMCA'd. The CIA is on that iso site for anyone who didn't already have it. Cache will be updated as that is on a repo not DMCA'd. How long it's updated for will depend on TheCruel and the outcome of this DMCA/possible legal battle.

If the cache isn't updated, new items will not appear. The list is from that title key site, so that remains. You can also use CIAngel as an alternative to download anything from the shops.

 

[Deleted-384698]

people must stop thinking because it wasn't technically infringing it will not be taken down
digital crime-stopping has proven to skirt the law and will continue to do so
furthermore under the new EU copyright laws this is probably literally illegal because a tool that enables piracy can be found as criminal, as well as even hyperlinking somewhere that contains copyrighted content
though obviously they won't take advantage of this 100% this law is purposely vague so they can take down targets that didn't otherwise break the law

the days of "technically avoiding copyright law" are over

 

[MorshumanKL02]

So, is there going to be a new fork of freeshop? A mirroring? Will the auto-update of those who have freeshop installed already work? These are the questions I feel I must ask.

Okay, I think that freeshop will pop-up later under a different name and logo and continue development. the main reason for the takedown was cause the logo was the same as nintendo's copyrighted logo. (stuipid i Know). the freeshop itself is not a piracy app cause it relies on the keys provided elsewhere to make that a possibility.
Okay next question when i launched freeshop today i got a message "downloading latest cache r34" and "extracting latest cache r34" and it runs like perfectly normal. pay attention when you launch freeshop you should get the same messages upon launch. And yes freeshop will work if you already have it for godsakes. it's only a webpage that got taken down that's it no further implications