Hacking [Tutorial]How to break the game limit on red button Sky3DS cartridges

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I want to play with Pokemon Alpha sapphire but I have the message "This game card cannot be used"...Tired of this error :/

PKM AS is the 11th game on my microSD card so I used the crack tool and used the 5sec buton trick to make the game doesn't skip but I have this error with trying to launch it...

What can I do?

EDIT: it worked with a .3ds file instead of a .3dz ... But can't play online :/

Do you mean fo Sky or GW?
 

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sky! why? Can you play online with .3ds file with sky?


yes you can. by the way, did you UPDATE your game? alpha saphire can't be played online unless your on the latest edition

what firmware are you on? in your settings it will say so, also, is the game 1.0, 1.1, 1.2, ect? but anyway, yes, the advantage of having sky is that it can play local and online multiplier. (this assumes that the SYSTEM can play online tho, based on your answers, you may have to change something first)

PS, just work up, another great day working for sky3ds, because its the best card ever. :rolleyes: . also, what the hell is the difference between a .3ds and a .3dz file? is there a converter for them?

big news from me in the next hour, after i confirm this. i can't believe this. this is so surreal. i assumed i was being heavily paranoid 2 days ago but no, i'm correct, i can't believe this bullshit. i'm gonna go vent my rage.

*edited*

i can't quite confirm yet, but it seems there is a problem with sky3ds's format/reformat tool. make sure to format your microsd cards via your pc's default reformat feature and not using the sky3ds writer program

did some more things, this one is the best result yet, and by best i mean worst.

i reformated to fat32 using PC's default program. look using the write, it says it has 0mb left, AND THERE IS LITERALLY NOTHING ON THE MICRO SD.

i then make a text document on the micro and saved, all fine. writer still says 0mb left. the micro sd never even touched the sky3ds cart during this time.

THERE IS DEFINATLY, 100% NO DOUBT, A BUG WITH THE SKY3DS WRITER TOOL.

in other news, i also confirmed that the sky3ds tool is THE CAUSE of the 0MB bug, in atleast some cases. before i put concepton on the micro, even along with some games, totally fine. (this was days ago) then yesterday, concepton always gave 0mb bug. today during testing with pc format instead of writer tool reformat, it was no longer resulting in 0mb bug, and could ad other games.

writer tool tests later, then it gave 0mb bug again.

now i'm getting 0mb bug without even touching any roms, or the 3ds card.

100% no doubt the sky3ds rom writer tool is bugged.
 

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did some more things, this one is the best result yet, and by best i mean worst.

i reformated to fat32 using PC's default program. look using the write, it says it has 0mb left, AND THERE IS LITERALLY NOTHING ON THE MICRO SD.

i then make a text document on the micro and saved, all fine. writer still says 0mb left.

THERE IS DEFINATLY, 100% NO DOUBT, A BUG WITH THE SKY3DS WRITER TOOL.


um... it creates a 524K partition that holds the a zip file named setup.zip. inside that is a template.txt file and a copy of the diskwriter version used. Not sure why, but that's what is there. The other space on the drive is not formatted with a known file system type. I'm not sure the exact reasoning behind this but I can only assume that it's necessary so the drive is recognized and mounted in windows. This allows the diskwriter program to access the drive and write to the second, unknown partition without munging up the drive.

You can't just go reformatting the drive in windows using explorer. You need a low-level formatting program or you 'll have to mount it in linux, use gparted, make it fat16/32/exfat/ntfs and mount it back in windows so diskwriter can format it.

I'm not sure how you concluded that the diskwriter formatting was corrupting data and that reformatting the drive in windows would alleviate the issue, if you hadn't actually figured out how to format the drive yet.


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now i'm confused, because .....well, reguardless of what you said, it is bugged, maybe not the way i assumed, but it definatly is. there is no reason for it to ever say 0mb left. and even if thats a read error caused by partitions, it still refuses to write games to the micro SD when it occurs.

so either reading 0MB is a bug, that is cause by corrupting the micro sd via the writing program, making it the writers fault. (i can confirm it is not the roms fault through my own testing)

or it is STILL caused by the writer, via it not reading the correct file size, and that causes it to refuse to write to the secret partition.

OR, it is purpsely not reading the secret partiton, and yet sometimes it does. its possible it not reading the secret partiton is a bug of itself, in that case it is STILL a bug with the writer.

unless you can somehow answer those, the writer is bugged yo

point is, 0MB bug is NOT caused by the micro SD, and its NOT caused by the rom. while i might have before believed it to be the card, because it was fine before it went on the card, for days now, and even just now, it has 0MB bugged without even being unplugged from the computer, literally only touching the writer tool.

i gave three theories, now unless someone can punch any form of a hole into any of them. my point stands.

i'll concede it has been fine, gone to card, then come back bugged. but its still possible a writer bug. the writer should be writing the rom so that the card can read it write. i have hard evidence concepton 2 loads, scrolls, saves, and loads perfectly fine on cart, and can go back to the writer just fine. and yet alot of the time when i write it during a test, it goes into 0mb. having already completly confirmed the rom is fine, plays fine, and cam back fine, the only answer is the writer has a bug with some trigger we don't know that gives 0mb bug.

infact, today/yesterday it gave 0mb bug EVERY SINGLE WRITE untill i formated via the pc format tool, then concepton again ran like a perfect charm.

the writer tool is bugged.

an interesting question i just thought to ask, is if it even actually bugs the micro sd card? it might be possible that the writer tool causes 0mb read one way or another, but its possible the only bugged thing is the writer incorrectly reading something thats fine, as a error. is there anyway to use a tool to read its file size, when you can confirm its has a rom on it and is fine, via some other program, both before and after 0mb bug? / writer bug?

now, i believe the 0mb bug works as, something causes the writer to read from the original partition, instead of the partition where it saves the games to.

edit: thinking about it, this would actually be the logical reason as to why this happens, because we can still load, and CREATE save files to a partition that is supposed to be corrupt and have 0mb of free space.
 

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now, i believe the 0mb bug works as, something causes the writer to read from the original partition, instead of the partition where it saves the games to.

edit: thinking about it, this would actually be the logical reason as to why this happens, because we can still load, and CREATE save files to a partition that is supposed to be corrupt and have 0mb of free space.
Even if you format SD via PC, disk writer will prompt you to format to it's file structure, I even select re-format to be sure and check verify prior to writing.
You can tell free space lower left of disk writer.
So far I've only got my 10 Base games and they all work and save great:

-Luigis Mansion Dark Moon USA.3ds (1,073,741,824 bytes)
-3DS0485 - Mario & Luigi - Dream Team (Usa).3ds (1,073,741,824 bytes)
-0040 - Mario Kart 7 (U).3ds (1,073,741,824 bytes)
-3DS0255 - New Super Mario Bros. 2 )(Usa).3ds (536,870,912 bytes)
-Paper Mario Sticker Star.3ds (1,073,741,824 bytes)
-0041 - Super Mario 3D Land (U).3ds (536,870,912 bytes)
-as-ssb.3ds (2,147,483,648 bytes) <super smash bros us
-3DS0494 - The Legend of Zelda - A Link Between Worlds (Usa).3ds 1.00 GB (1,073,741,824 bytes)
-0033 - The Legend of Zelda - Ocarina of Time 3D (U).3ds (536,870,912 bytes)
-Cubic Ninja.3ds (134,217,728 bytes)

Keep in mind this is my 6yr old sons 3ds and he loves mario and zelda. I'll work on sd2 once I can get it away from him to do some testing.
 

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warnings, i know, but thats because..well of something i won't get into.

as for 'lower left corner' this is what i mean by the 0MB bug http://i.imgur.com/TYcLBix.png

i contacted sky3ds, waiting for reply


Hey Dawnbomb, that 0mb bug occured to me too, right after I messed about with some rom deletion and re-adding of roms on my 32gb cart.
However I managed to get mine back to normal... Don't know if it was just luck but here's what I did..

1) Format the card using the Diskwriter tool
2) RE-Format the card using the Diskwriter tool
3) Reformat the card in microsoft windows
4) Format the card again using the Diskwriter tool

And somehow after that it seemed to work fine for me
Like I said I'm not sure if I'm just lucky and there really is a bug...but I wouldnt be surprised if there was.
 

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hmm, haven't had any of that fun yet, but I'm sure I will.

you can add me on skype for help and to test and figure things out if ya want. the world of 10+ is a scary place. (definatly not for your 6 year old :creep:)

my skype is dawn.bomb1

Hey Dawnbomb, that 0mb bug occured to me too, right after I messed about with some rom deletion and re-adding of roms on my 32gb cart.
However I managed to get mine back to normal... Don't know if it was just luck but here's what I did..

1) Format the card using the Diskwriter tool
2) RE-Format the card using the Diskwriter tool
3) Reformat the card in microsoft windows
4) Format the card again using the Diskwriter tool

And somehow after that it seemed to work fine for me
Like I said I'm not sure if I'm just lucky and there really is a bug...but I wouldnt be surprised if there was.


yes, i know all about it. also, you can just reformat with the programs tool. then format with the tool. however if 0mb bug occurs more often, you should reformat with the tool, then reformat with windows, then format with the writer program.

if you don't thinks will get more and more buggy. i'm positive its a writer bug, and not caused by corrupted roms. PLEASE NOTE HOWEVER, that when this happens, the writer will usually not be able to see all the roms on the 3ds, so it will be unable to backup all the roms.

PS, backing up saves works perfect. when EEPROM is NO. backup the ENTIRE GAME off the micro SD. then, rather then using restore, you WRITE the backed up rom as a game. it will restore the game and its saves. this is because when eeprom= no all saves are actually 'saved into the rom itself'. i tested this by cloning a save onto 2 micro sd cards.
 

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Ah yes. Backing up the entire game is the better option.

Btw I think this has been asked before but I didn't see any definitive answer... Is it true that all games larger than 2gb will not be usable as EEPROM = NO? Or is it just that there will be problems saving etc...
 

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Ah yes. Backing up the entire game is the better option.

Btw I think this has been asked before but I didn't see any definitive answer... Is it true that all games larger than 2gb will not be usable as EEPROM = NO? Or is it just that there will be problems saving etc...


what, all games have a eeprom=no option. however games 4GB have a decent chance to not have the NO EEPROM requirement of F8 98 in the template file. you can find the requirement using their program on the rom. but for all games 2GB and lower, you can just use my template here, with every single entry set as F8 98 already. http://www.mediafire.com/download/b28duz9vz4x4mve/2TEMPLATE.zip
 

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Hey dawnbomb, did you test DKCountry returns rom with Sky3DS? Is it working for you?


i did not, i could...but i don't really want too...

i can confirm, kid icarus, senran kagura and both invisable on game select and cause 0mb bug.
thearhythm2 i forgot, likly the same

tetris does pretty much every single bug, quite literally.
home town story was invisable, but if its not and you run it, then it says can't be read and causes 0mb
new super mario bros 2 LITERALLY reformats the micro sd card. meaning you will have to format it again to be accepted by the program.

Persona q i don't remember, but it doesn't matter, cause read on.
etrian odyssey untold 'works' however, both it and persona Q use a duel save feature, where they read from 2 save files simutaniously. sky3ds have problums with this feature, so etrian doesn't work. this means PQ doesn't work likly either. technically etrian CAN run, but you just cannot save.

monster hunter 3 ultimate, pokemon x/saphire, fantasy life, and harvest moon two towns all work. conception works, but depending on how many formats the micro sd has gone through without getting reformatted via not the disk writer program, it may cause the 0mb bug after so many.

i..probably won't test donkey kong. totally bias without reason. (that and i just dislike platformers.)
 

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i did not, i could...but i don't really want too...

i can confirm, kid icarus, senran kagura and both invisable on game select and cause 0mb bug.
thearhythm2 i forgot, likly the same

tetris does pretty much every single bug, quite literally.
home town story was invisable, but if its not and you run it, then it says can't be read and causes 0mb
new super mario bros 2 LITERALLY reformats the micro sd card. meaning you will have to format it again to be accepted by the program.

Persona q i don't remember, but it doesn't matter, cause read on.
etrian odyssey untold 'works' however, both it and persona Q use a duel save feature, where they read from 2 save files simutaniously. sky3ds have problums with this feature, so etrian doesn't work. this means PQ doesn't work likly either. technically etrian CAN run, but you just cannot save.

monster hunter 3 ultimate, pokemon x/saphire, fantasy life, and harvest moon two towns all work. conception works, but depending on how many formats the micro sd has gone through without getting reformatted via not the disk writer program, it may cause the 0mb bug after so many.

i..probably won't test donkey kong. totally bias without reason. (that and i just dislike platformers.)

For me kid icarus uprising and donkey kong return 3d no issue on eeprom=yes, both gameplay and save no issue. I am using the old red button sky3ds cart. Forgot to mention theatrythm Final Fantasy and Theatrythm Final fantasy curtain call no issue too.
 

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For me kid icarus uprising and donkey kong return 3d no issue on eeprom=yes, both gameplay and save no issue. I am using the old red button sky3ds cart.


i have not tried checking games on eeprom = yes, i suppose i could check icarus on eeprom=yes cause thats one i really want
 

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For your info, I'm using kingston class 10 16gb microsd. Not sure this will help.

thats because you used eeprom=yes. when you use yes, there is never any bugs, ever.

anyway, i used yes, and got it to show up cause i wanted it.

also, they just released a new template file. before the two 3ds harvest moon games weren't writeable, heres to testing that out.

also, i messages my retailer, and they won't swap a red for a blue button. but i did learn that the blue button has a disadvantage. it only automatically saves to temporary memory, you have to do some stuff to make it save to microsd every time you wanna save, where as red button users the saves always work. no tricks required.
 

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