Swap between 2 HD with separate OS on PS4

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    I Have 1 tb HD with games on my ps4 that I play it in offline mode on my PS4
    as they are shared games
    And I have another new 1 tb HD that i need to install another PS4 OS on it to be able to run and buy games legally
    is there any problem to do that ?
    both Hard disks has PS4 OS installed and just to switch between them I just connect the right one
    1st HD has illegal game share that has to be offline all time
    2nd HD i will install the latest firmware on it and I will use it as very legal device to be able to buy new games digitally
    be noted that both hard disks will be used on the same device and I will just plug and replug the one that i need and also be informed that one of them will be have april 2016 update and the other will not
    so any data is recorded on the internal RAM or Bios or Flash of the device will detect that Or may cause a problem to me
    so please support me if you tried that
    thanks in advance
     


  2. solghof
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    any body help me please before i do this big risk
     
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    hum, the OS isn't installed on the HDD of the PS4.... A PS4 is not a conventional computer...

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    Also, RAM doesn't store data, it is wiped when power is cut off.
     
  5. solghof
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    sorry I mean ROM Like PC BIOS ...
    So what I will do will be risky ? I mean to lose the offline games on the original Hard disk or get console ban ?
    as I will use the offline games offline on the offline hard disk and the online games will be used from the other hard disk

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    But How come the OS is not installed on HD What ever if you removed the HD the PS will not boot at all !!!
     
  6. solghof
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    I contacted sony and this is my conversation with them
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    Joshua (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎42‎:‎39‎ ‎PM): Hello, My name is Joshua, how may I assist you today?
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎42‎:‎55‎ ‎PM): I need your support please
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎43‎:‎18‎ ‎PM): I have PS4 with 500 gb full of games :)
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎43‎:‎38‎ ‎PM): and I need to install another Hard disk 1 tb
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎43‎:‎51‎ ‎PM): and switching between two Hard disks
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎44‎:‎12‎ ‎PM): just to remove the screew and place right hd for right games
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎44‎:‎20‎ ‎PM): is that possible
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎44‎:‎40‎ ‎PM): to be able to have 1.5 tb of games on two separte HD's
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎45‎:‎02‎ ‎PM): and just connect the right HD when I want to play a certain game
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎45‎:‎36‎ ‎PM): I already know how to install the OS
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎45‎:‎50‎ ‎PM): I will keep the old 500 GB as it is
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎46‎:‎07‎ ‎PM): and I will install Another fresh OS on the other 1 tb HD
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎46‎:‎38‎ ‎PM): And I just connect and disconnect each HD With it's own OS
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎47‎:‎10‎ ‎PM): so I want to know if the OS is stored on internal flash memory or in the HD it's self
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎47‎:‎23‎ ‎PM): Kindly advice
    Joshua (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎48‎:‎09‎ ‎PM): Hello, I completely understand you wanting to upgrade your hard drive. I actually just did mine because I filled the 500 gb up faster. The OS is installed on the HD itself. When you upgrade it, you can visit our site and download the software onto a USB drive and install it onto the hard drive. Once there though, if you keep swapping out drives, you do not have to keep doing that.
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎49‎:‎14‎ ‎PM): and If have another PS On my home can I switch between there HD's
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎49‎:‎46‎ ‎PM): I don't understand you please clarify more
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎50‎:‎11‎ ‎PM): is it possible to install two separte OS's on two separte HD's
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎50‎:‎25‎ ‎PM): and working on each one individually
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎50‎:‎33‎ ‎PM): yes or no :)
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎51‎:‎04‎ ‎PM): I know that there is a backup method
    Joshua (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎51‎:‎08‎ ‎PM): When you get a new hard drive and install it, you will have to install the OS on the new one. Once installed though, it will be there unless you delete it. Meaning, you only have to install the OS once per hard drive and if you swap them out, you do not have to do that step anymore.
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎51‎:‎09‎ ‎PM): but I need to use them both
    Joshua (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎51‎:‎39‎ ‎PM): I apologize there is no way to use both at the same time on the same console if that is what you are asking.
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎51‎:‎49‎ ‎PM): not at the same time
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎52‎:‎00‎ ‎PM): not connected at the same time
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎52‎:‎19‎ ‎PM): I mean I will use the first one then power off the device
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎52‎:‎33‎ ‎PM): and connect the second one after installing OS on it
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎52‎:‎38‎ ‎PM): then use it
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎53‎:‎02‎ ‎PM): not to use both of them at the same time
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎53‎:‎24‎ ‎PM): just to disconnect the 1st HD and connect the 2nd HD
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎53‎:‎43‎ ‎PM): and I will download newer games on the 2nd empty HD
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎54‎:‎00‎ ‎PM): Did you got what I need
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎54‎:‎05‎ ‎PM): ?
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎55‎:‎01‎ ‎PM): 1st HD has OS with its games and the second HD has OS with it's own games
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎55‎:‎43‎ ‎PM): and I will just plug the right HD And power on device without loosing any game or backig up it
    Joshua (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎55‎:‎51‎ ‎PM): Oh yes, I do understand. Yes you can do that as often as you like if you wish.
    Joshua (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎56‎:‎14‎ ‎PM): You will not lose anything and it will be a simple swap since you already have the OS and everything installed and downloaded.
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎56‎:‎48‎ ‎PM): is it possible to swap HD Between two different PS4 ?
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎57‎:‎19‎ ‎PM): Or the HD might be encrypted or something like that ?
    Joshua (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎58‎:‎26‎ ‎PM): As long as you do it safely and properly every time, you will not have any issues swapping them out constantly.
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎58‎:‎55‎ ‎PM): to confirme >>> from TWO Different PS4
    Joshua (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎59‎:‎01‎ ‎PM): What I might suggest though that if you plan on doing that, you might want to look into just getting a 2tb or higher hard drive and putting all your games on the one so you do not have to keep switching.
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎59‎:‎29‎ ‎PM): ok
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎6‎:‎59‎:‎35‎ ‎PM): but switching is safe
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎7‎:‎00‎:‎00‎ ‎PM): even it was with differnt software version or different ps4 ?
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎7‎:‎00‎:‎04‎ ‎PM): true
    Joshua (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎7‎:‎01‎:‎12‎ ‎PM): I was looking into this and actually if you take a hard drive from a different PS4, it would format the drive and delete everything as it syncs up to the consoles information such as serial number etc. But swapping between two hard drives and one console is perfectly fine.
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎7‎:‎01‎:‎56‎ ‎PM): swapping between two hard drives and one console is perfectly fine.
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎7‎:‎02‎:‎03‎ ‎PM): that is what I need to hear
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎7‎:‎02‎:‎11‎ ‎PM): many thanks :)
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎7‎:‎02‎:‎30‎ ‎PM): thanks for your time
    Joshua (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎7‎:‎02‎:‎40‎ ‎PM): You are very welcome! Is there anything else I can assist you with today?
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎7‎:‎03‎:‎36‎ ‎PM): now I will try and feed you back I wish I did't get any lost games or any confilcts and use both HD's With both OS's smoothly :)
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎7‎:‎03‎:‎55‎ ‎PM): thanks again for you time
    Me (‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016‎ ‎7‎:‎03‎:‎57‎ ‎PM): bye bye
     
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    The PS4's OS is not installed on the HDD m8....

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    The PS doesn't boot because it NEEDS the HDD. But afaik, the OS is not on the HDD itself. You can't boot a PS3 without HDD either (afaik, except the 12GB flash model)
     
  8. solghof
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    but sony support told me that it is safe to do so as both hard disks will be connected to the same PS4 but not at the same time
    did you tried so ? or just expecting ? As will proceed on the upgrade procedure within 1 hour
    according to conversation with sony support off course without telling them about the illegal games
     
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    It won't work. If the hard drive full of games is on a lower firmware than the other hard drive then it will force you to update the lower hard drive. The reason for this is because the new hard drive's firmware is stored on one of your PS4's flashes and makes it so that if it detects a firmware lower than what was stored in the flash it will tell you to update and you won't be able to use it. The same works with the PS3. Thats how the E3 Flasher worked.
     
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    what if didn't connect the old HD to internet at all ?

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    do you mean that this senario happened to you but on ps3 ?

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    so If I updated the old HD and without playing games online and then disconnect internet on it forever will I lose the games or get console banned

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    As you see above Sony online support agent told me that it is possible as all OS stored on Hard disk .... do you mean that they are wrong ?
    what if the E3 Flasher was only on PS3

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    see this >> swapping between two hard drives and one console is perfectly fine.
     
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    Do you have any other concerns before I kill / win my console :) please warn me
    as I think My console is 3.15 and the software that I brought from the sony site is 3.50
     
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    so any body has 3.15 Firmware full update 8xx MB to be able to install it on the new Hard drive as the sony web site has only the new one and then I will block updates and just download new games from the store without updating the system

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    what ever if I have Different Firmware Version? on each Hard drive
     
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    Some stuff is written to the flash. if it were as easy as getting a new HDD and install a system update there, everybody would have done it to downgrade....
     
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    so... do you have any solution to do what I am planning to do? a link to 3.15 software or any solutions to make both Hard disk like each other and just go online with only one of them
     
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    I got an idea... I will update the original hard disk Offline From USB. and I will install Full OS from USB on the new 1 TB Drive so now both have the same Firmware version
    then I will block updates on and use the second drive only for downloading new game releases! please Confirm On me If there is another Hidden Risk
     
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    Pretty sure you can't have two HDD working at the same time (by swapping) with the same console. That would be too easy. Whenever you will install the second HDD and format/install it the first one will stop working.

    What you could do to maximize your chance of it working would be cloning your working HDD (with a computer) and try your cloned hdd. If the PS4 recognize your new HDD and boots, its a good sign for you. If the ps4 asks you to format, then don't bother it wont work.
    Even then, Im very skeptical. If the current state of the HDD is saved outside of the HDD (or any specific encryption or id for this installation) you're fucked. At least thats what I would do if I were them.
     
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    No no no no NO! You can never switch between firmwares by switching the hdd.
     
  18. solghof
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    I will keep both HDs with the same Firmware

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    Sony Agent told me on the above conversation that it is safe to do that As I discussed it with their official website online support (same Device same serial number same Firmware version)

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    but cloning will let my 1 TB HD Read As 500 GB
     
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    you *should* be able to expand the partition. Unless it uses some weird file system (which it probably does)
     
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    Im guessing you want to use the 6 months deactivation thing to your advantage.

    There's really not much else to say other than you're taking the risk to lose the games of the friend account you're using offline. The safest option is to get a second ps4 :P
     
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