Hardware Nintendo theory

[Eerpow]

Well if they release a new console it might be as powerful as the xbox 360 but not as much as the PS3. The wii is like 2 gen behind, it performs the same as an overclocked gamecube (which was behind the crapbox and the PS2 in performance as well) and the only selling point they have is a gimmicky controller that didnt even worked properly before they came out with the wiimotte plus...
gamecube was better speced than the ps2, which was better speced than the xbox.
Get yo facts straight, yo.
3rd parties screwed the gamecube.

The wii remote worked fine when it came out. They improved it.
It's what some companies do to allow themselves and their customers to use their product better.

QUOTE(ecko @ Feb 6 2011, 12:32 PM) but the wii wasn't meant in the first place to be a console for the hardcore gamer, but is geared towards family gameplay and the casual gamer
so it's only natural that it doesnt have alot of power compared to the other consoles

Yes it was.
Don't kid yourself.
They aimed the Wii at gamers.
What you mean to say is: Nintendo didn't intend to fight this generation on CPU speeds, but on controlling and gameplay mechanics.

Your both wrong, they aimed the Wii towards everyone, gamer or not.
The Gamecube is more powerful than the ps2 and the Wii is pretty powerful compared to the GCN.

 

[bigpaws]

and i can almost say that 3ds graphics are equal to wii
after all, 3ds has more video ram
if 3d is not in use, then imagine what we could get
i imagine the 3ds = wii graphics while
ngp graphics = ps3
i just think the home console war is moving to handhelds
ngp will take sony's attention from ps3 largly and same for 3ds and nintendo

 

[SS4]

gamecube was better speced than the ps2, which was better speced than the xbox.
Get yo facts straight, yo.
3rd parties screwed the gamecube.

The wii remote worked fine when it came out. They improved it.
It's what some companies do to allow themselves and their customers to use their product better.

Yeah the gamecube was better spec with his ati flipper and its 20 million polygon per second compared to the PS2 66 and 75 millions.

The memory bandwith was higher on the PS2 as well. The only thing the gcb had going for was its floating point performance it seems... So in a way its hard to tell which one is more performant because they both beat each other in some way...


And I always felt that the wiimote was an inacurate device, yes they improved it but they shouldve lauched it like that. Every game I played i feel like normal buttons would work better than waving around the controller in unrealistic way. Gee u can do strikes in bowling with a baseball pitching motion....

 

[machomuu]

but the wii wasn't meant in the first place to be a console for the hardcore gamer, but is geared towards family gameplay and the casual gamer
so it's only natural that it doesnt have alot of power compared to the other consoles

Yes it was.
Don't kid yourself.
They aimed the Wii at gamers.
What you mean to say is: Nintendo didn't intend to fight this generation on CPU speeds, but on controlling and gameplay mechanics.

Wow, that's not true at all. It was made as a new and innovative system targeting everyone, not to be a system made for gamers. After seeing the games and software made for it, this should be obvious.

 

[Eerpow]

gamecube was better speced than the ps2, which was better speced than the xbox.
Get yo facts straight, yo.
3rd parties screwed the gamecube.

The wii remote worked fine when it came out. They improved it.
It's what some companies do to allow themselves and their customers to use their product better.

Yeah the gamecube was better spec with his ati flipper and its 20 million polygon per second compared to the PS2 66 and 75 millions.

The memory bandwith was higher on the PS2 as well. The only thing the gcb had going for was its floating point performance it seems... So in a way its hard to tell which one is more performant because they both beat each other in some way...


And I always felt that the wiimote was an inacurate device, yes they improved it but they shouldve lauched it like that. Every game I played i feel like normal buttons would work better than waving around the controller in unrealistic way. Gee u can do strikes in bowling with a baseball pitching motion....

There's a difference between max and average.
GC cpu 486 MHz, PS2 cpu 294.912 MHz.
GC graphics 162 MHz, PS2 graphics 147.456 MHz.
I you'd care to use google you should know that the Xbox is graphically better with the GC as a close second, the PS2 was the least powerful of the three.

 

[berlinka]

I'm afraid Nintendo will have some tough years ahead when it comes to the new home console battle.
I guess Sony and Microsoft have realized by now that Nintendo did well by going for a mainstream audience. I bet they'll do everything to win this audience for their next console. I think they've proven this with Kinect and the Move controller.

 

[SS4]

You cant just factor in the Processor speed. Look at current GPU, Nvdia card are clocked way lower than ATi but they can both compete with each other depending on the model. And its like saying and AMD CPU is more powerful than an Intel or vise versa because of the clock speed. Different Component have different architecture and different number of IPC. So were comparing orange to apple here, I know theyre both fruit but unless we have some sort of benchmark to run all console on we cant have a definitive anwser. SO all we can tell for sure is which had the better graphics according to our own view imo.

And were going off topic here so ill stop

 

[DiscostewSM]

Yeah the gamecube was better spec with his ati flipper and its 20 million polygon per second compared to the PS2 66 and 75 millions.

PS2

3D CG Geometric transformation(VU0+VU1 parallel): 66 million polygons per second

3D CG Geometric transformations under curved surfaces: 16 million polygons per second
3D CG Geometric transformations at peak bones/movements/effects(textures)/lights(VU0+VU1): 15-20 million polygons per second (dependent on if series or parallel T&L)
Actual real-world polygons (per frame):500-650k at 30fps, 250-325k at 60fps

GC
QUOTE

Peak triangle performance: 20,250,000 32-pixel triangles/s raw and with 1 texture and lit

337,500 triangles a frame at 60 FPS
675,000 triangles a frame at 30 FPS

Generally, in terms of triangle output, they're rather close.

 

[Nollog]

but the wii wasn't meant in the first place to be a console for the hardcore gamer, but is geared towards family gameplay and the casual gamer
so it's only natural that it doesnt have alot of power compared to the other consoles

Yes it was.
Don't kid yourself.
They aimed the Wii at gamers.
What you mean to say is: Nintendo didn't intend to fight this generation on CPU speeds, but on controlling and gameplay mechanics.

Wow, that's not true at all. It was made as a new and innovative system targeting everyone, not to be a system made for gamers. After seeing the games and software made for it, this should be obvious.

They aimed the Wii at gamers.
Nobody would make a meat pie for a vegetarian who might eat some meat.
Get off your balls and realise it was all for you!

 

[MelodieOctavia]

but the wii wasn't meant in the first place to be a console for the hardcore gamer, but is geared towards family gameplay and the casual gamer
so it's only natural that it doesnt have alot of power compared to the other consoles

Yes it was.
Don't kid yourself.
They aimed the Wii at gamers.
What you mean to say is: Nintendo didn't intend to fight this generation on CPU speeds, but on controlling and gameplay mechanics.

Wow, that's not true at all. It was made as a new and innovative system targeting everyone, not to be a system made for gamers. After seeing the games and software made for it, this should be obvious.

They aimed the Wii at gamers.
Nobody would make a meat pie for a vegetarian who might eat some meat.
Get off your balls and realise it was all for you!

the Wii was aimed at non-gamers. Whatever shit you're smoking, let me get some.

 

[machomuu]

but the wii wasn't meant in the first place to be a console for the hardcore gamer, but is geared towards family gameplay and the casual gamer
so it's only natural that it doesnt have alot of power compared to the other consoles

Yes it was.
Don't kid yourself.
They aimed the Wii at gamers.
What you mean to say is: Nintendo didn't intend to fight this generation on CPU speeds, but on controlling and gameplay mechanics.

Wow, that's not true at all. It was made as a new and innovative system targeting everyone, not to be a system made for gamers. After seeing the games and software made for it, this should be obvious.

They aimed the Wii at gamers.
Nobody would make a meat pie for a vegetarian who might eat some meat.
Get off your balls and realise it was all for you!

the Wii was aimed at non-gamers. Whatever shit you're smoking, let me get some.

Crap, I didn't mean to say, "at all", they released it for gamers, but they were not the main target crowd.
That said, it's not a "system for kids" either.
Basically what TwinRetro was saying is true.

 

[RchUncleSkeleton]

First off, the Wii is a great system and it has great 1st party titles, the 3rd party titles aren't as good but still there are some great exclusives to the system.

Second, why the hell would Nintendo want to release a new system when they have so many games still planned for the Wii that haven't even been released yet?

Last, All the people saying the Wii is for kids and not for real gamers are people whom firmly believe that the only games that so called "Gamers" play are GTA and Halo....a little piece of knowledge for those: People who don't play FPS games are still GAMERS!

 

[Nollog]

All the people saying the Wii is for kids and not for real gamers are people whom firmly believe that the only games that so called "Gamers" play are GTA and Halo....a little piece of knowledge for those: People who don't play FPS games are still GAMERS!
It's funny because platformers were the fps of the older folk, and nintendo is the only platform still offering all the platformy awesomeness.


QUOTE(TwinRetro @ Feb 8 2011, 11:18 PM) the Wii was aimed at non-gamers. Whatever shit you're smoking, let me get some.

Tell me how they could possibly foresee a market which wasn't there, and release a console catered to a non-existent market. and I'll concede.
Until then, Nintendo planned the wii for gamers and thought the new play mechanic of movement would justify you choosing their console over the competition.

I could use a pen as a door stop, but the pen still writes, and I bought it to write with. It doesn't mean I will end up using it to write.