Hacking Nintendo Repairs REJECTION for flashcard use?

[doyama]

http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/systems/3...na/gi_index.jsp

Chapter II: Unauthorized Software, Services, or Devices

You may not use your Nintendo 3DS System with any unauthorized software, unauthorized device or make any technical modifications to the Nintendo 3DS System. Any such use or modification voids any warranty, is a breach of this Agreement, and may be illegal or cause performance issues and/or damage to your Nintendo 3DS System and related services. Nintendo (as well as any Nintendo licensees, distributors or retailers) are not responsible for any damage or loss caused by the use of such devices, software, or modifications.

 

[Youkai]

since when are flash cards illegal ?
there were several discussions all over the forums every year and flashcards are nothing illegal just using them to play copyrighted material is.
same with downloading stuff, clients like utorrent are not forbidden just using it to share copyrighted material is illegal.

and cuz a flashcard normaly does not damage anything they are not allowed to refuse repairs when you still have guarantee.
the only thing they might say is that some things are the flash cards fault which would render the guarantee useless BUT they should prove that before -.-V


P.S. doyama
not sure but i think this should be "investigated" if this is even allowed, you know big companys often write things like this but mostly its totaly not allowed for them.
the moment you buy that console its yours and you can do with it whatever you want, even thaught if you modify something and damage the console because of that its another thing, but a flash card does not modify the hard or software as i know ? it only uses a way to run games as if they were to be original ones.

 

[dragonkid6]

isnt that illegal for them to destroy your property like that?i would have sued
but then again i see your not in the U.S.so im not sure what the law is down under on that , but i would assume they couldnt do it there either


as to them rejecting your 3ds for repair on rounds of flashcart use , i would say that by the looks of the pic of your 3ds they would have ,uh .. other grounds to reject it


QUOTE(superthorn96 @ Jul 11 2011, 02:43 PM) did they destroy it physically or software wise

Don't you guys read? No one destroyed anything!

You should read the entire page before making comments like that.

 

[doyama]

since when are flash cards illegal ?
there were several discussions all over the forums every year and flashcards are nothing illegal just using them to play copyrighted material is.
same with downloading stuff, clients like utorrent are not forbidden just using it to share copyrighted material is illegal.

and cuz a flashcard normaly does not damage anything they are not allowed to refuse repairs when you still have guarantee.
the only thing they might say is that some things are the flash cards fault which would render the guarantee useless BUT they should prove that before -.-V


P.S. doyama
not sure but i think this should be "investigated" if this is even allowed, you know big companys often write things like this but mostly its totaly not allowed for them.
the moment you buy that console its yours and you can do with it whatever you want, even thaught if you modify something and damage the console because of that its another thing, but a flash card does not modify the hard or software as i know ? it only uses a way to run games as if they were to be original ones.

I'm always amused by the 'I can do whatever I want' argument. Feel free to do that, but then don't simultaneously accept that a company should allow you to 'do anything' and still support your product. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Specific homebrew can be crafted to brick your DS, thus the flashcart CAN enable bricking of a DS.

http://www.dcemu.co.uk/vbulletin/threads/1...oader-bricks-DS

At least in America the DMCA would probably cover the 'illegal' aspect of flashcarts. Also even if a product is deemed legal, it does not mean that the use of that product is then covered under the warranty.

All DSi based flashcart firmware are all guilty of copyright infringmenet at a bare minimum. The use of a specific games icon as well as ripping out 1MB of code from every specific game for DSi based flashcarts would be pretty hard to argue 'fair use'. This is especially harder to argue these days when flashcarts are more commonly being pre-loaded with the firmware.

http://hackmii.com/2010/02/lawsuit-coming-in-3-2-1/

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Now WOULD nintendo's Repair centers deny repairs because of flashcart use. We have no reports of such so it's hard to make that judgement. All I'm saying is that they CAN deny you a warranty claim. Whether the internal process exists to identify and eliminate such claims is questionable given the various reports of DS' being sent back with flashcarts and being repaired anyway. And my points were that IF they were to deny you the claim, you'd have a hard time justifying how it is covered, given the numerous ways Nintendo could claim the warranty was voided (ELUA, DMCA, etc)

 

[8BitWalugi]

isnt that illegal for them to destroy your property like that?i would have sued
but then again i see your not in the U.S.so im not sure what the law is down under on that , but i would assume they couldnt do it there either


as to them rejecting your 3ds for repair on rounds of flashcart use , i would say that by the looks of the pic of your 3ds they would have ,uh .. other grounds to reject it


QUOTE(superthorn96 @ Jul 11 2011, 02:43 PM) did they destroy it physically or software wise

Don't you guys read? No one destroyed anything!

You should read the entire page before making comments like that.

Alright, they repaired my DSi, destroyed the DS2, deleted all files on the SD card.

I just ran a recovery and got all my saves back.

 

[Redhorse]

I have first hand knowledge of A FRIEND sending his 3ds in (he uses SC & SC2) for repairs with no reveal on thier part.


He returned it because of this 'black screen freeze' problem many of us are having. Got an exchange now the new 3ds locks up on use of regular DSi games and reboot does NOT eliminate problem. I'm begining to wonder if use of carts could cause these problems, though one would think not.

I tried it once and decided to never do it again.....I tried ONE rom on a card but decided to never do it again. here's why I use the carts on the unit... I didn't use it for roms, I had movies, music and pics as well as all my game guides. See, I own all the games I play, original cartiges, more than 100 games bought and paid. I only used the cart for the guide book portability, one per game... and real home made homebrew bounty,= NON comercial roms. That's the reason I personally think these should be accepted by NO COURT as illegal. Asops fables has a great story about a Lion and a man which illustrates that although Nintendo CAN show that many people are misusing them, the other people, guys like us could show (with proper court representation) an equally compelling opposite story, that just as many users have a legit use as have a mis use. The reason they win NOW is because their side is better represented. Once someone individual (not a cart seller) has to defend thier own use of one in a high court, watch the real HELL of this issue break all out.



However They DID deney and end my DSi warantee based on NON LICENSED SCREEN scratch protectors. They removed them, and returned them in a small pouch and voided my entensive warantee, based on that..after doing the repair BTW.... tough point was it was legal for them to do this by way of the TOS

PS By way of the new problem I have figured out that the wifi has some connection with checking something on a game cart as it starts. The lock up was different when 1) starting with the wifi on and the wifi seemed to be communicating (light flashing in time with cart boot) with some data on the cart.
versus starting a DSi game with the WiFi off and no, lock up. I wonder if it checks carts and sends info to Big N. Info not atored on card but maybe sent with identifiyers code???? This still might not/would not reveal a cheat cart but... just seems suspicious... just food for thought. Hope someone finds this helpful or interesting.