Hacking Hardware Homebrew Mandatory Game Disc Updates in 2024-onward

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which is exactly what I said. I am too old to get into an oldschool forum flamewar with someone with zero reading comprehension. I get it, waah, a thread you were in got replied to to provide a clarification, turn off notifis then, because you clearly did not grasp the post you were reading if that was your takeaway, you just made the exact opposite post. the incorrect solution was "the servers", I clarified twice that that's wrong. you still somehow read the exact opposite of what I wrote. twice.

here's a tip: instead of skimming posts and reading what you want to see, read what's actually written in the post. or don't reply at all. it's not asking much
 
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here's a tip: instead of skimming posts and reading what you want to see, read what's actually written in the post. or don't reply at all. it's not asking much
Pot, meet kettle... you're too old to actually take the time to understand what you're talking about before you go telling others they're "factually incorrect", I suppose?

for anyone reading this might lead them down an incorrect path, because it's factually incorrect. you do not need to have booted a game before or registered it to receive updates for it, you can buy a fresh disc and get updates
This has nothing to do with anything. Nobody ever said anything of the sort. The problem here is a digital version of a game having a higher internal version number than the physical copy. You will not fix this by simply "disabling pretendo", and for those who this fixes their problem, they were having a different issue in the first place.

This thread explains one specific problem regarding digital installs preventing physical discs from running. You come in here claiming that the solution is incorrect because other people who have a different problem would be better helped by a different solution instead.

Or do you still insist that this is wrong and that anything you're saying is even relevant at all?

I'm only going to repeat/re-explain this once.

The Wii U system keeps a log of the latest version of any title that has been installed and run on the system. This includes system titles and disc/base titles, not just update titles. This is for downgrade prevention, so that people can't just uninstall updates to games to have access to older exploits (Nintendo wanted software to be auto updated with no way to downgrade), and would also serve as some kind of basic firmware downgrade prevention (if you could somehow get older firmware files installed, it would refuse to run because the title version in version.bin is higher)

If you uninstall an update to a game, and try to run the game without the update, the system checks against the cached version data, it remembers that a higher version update was once present, and it refuses to run the game without installing the update.

For the vast majority of games, this is not a problem. Most games do have updates that can be installed through the eshop, so if you uninstalled a digital version of a game to replace it with a physical disc, there would not be any issues because it will just redownload the update after you insert the disc. For many games without updates, the title version for the digital version is the same as the disc version, so you wouldn't notice anything wrong here either.

However, Nintendo made a pretty bad oversight, and gave some digital titles a higher title version than their physical counterpart. Meaning that if you had purchased the digital version of that game on the eshop, and later wanted to play a physical copy instead, it still remembers the higher title version of the digital copy --> it thinks you need to update the game before you can play it (downgrade prevention gone wrong) --> there isnt actually an update, the base application itself was a higher version --> sad gamer

This is the problem that this thread is about. This has nothing to do with Pretendo preventing access to official updates, something you would know if you had even bothered reading the thread before commenting. Pretendo preventing eshop access is a different issue entirely. If disabling Pretendo fixed your problem, your problem was not the one this thread is about.
 
Pot, meet kettle... you're too old to actually take the time to understand what you're talking about before you go telling others they're "factually incorrect", I suppose?


This has nothing to do with anything. Nobody ever said anything of the sort. The problem here is a digital version of a game having a higher internal version number than the physical copy. You will not fix this by simply "disabling pretendo", and for those who this fixes their problem, they were having a different issue in the first place.

This thread explains one specific problem regarding digital installs preventing physical discs from running. You come in here claiming that the solution is incorrect because other people who have a different problem would be better helped by a different solution instead.

Or do you still insist that this is wrong and that anything you're saying is even relevant at all?

I'm only going to repeat/re-explain this once.

The Wii U system keeps a log of the latest version of any title that has been installed and run on the system. This includes system titles and disc/base titles, not just update titles. This is for downgrade prevention, so that people can't just uninstall updates to games to have access to older exploits (Nintendo wanted software to be auto updated with no way to downgrade), and would also serve as some kind of basic firmware downgrade prevention (if you could somehow get older firmware files installed, it would refuse to run because the title version in version.bin is higher)

If you uninstall an update to a game, and try to run the game without the update, the system checks against the cached version data, it remembers that a higher version update was once present, and it refuses to run the game without installing the update.

For the vast majority of games, this is not a problem. Most games do have updates that can be installed through the eshop, so if you uninstalled a digital version of a game to replace it with a physical disc, there would not be any issues because it will just redownload the update after you insert the disc. For many games without updates, the title version for the digital version is the same as the disc version, so you wouldn't notice anything wrong here either.

However, Nintendo made a pretty bad oversight, and gave some digital titles a higher title version than their physical counterpart. Meaning that if you had purchased the digital version of that game on the eshop, and later wanted to play a physical copy instead, it still remembers the higher title version of the digital copy --> it thinks you need to update the game before you can play it (downgrade prevention gone wrong) --> there isnt actually an update, the base application itself was a higher version --> sad gamer

This is the problem that this thread is about. This has nothing to do with Pretendo preventing access to official updates, something you would know if you had even bothered reading the thread before commenting. Pretendo preventing eshop access is a different issue entirely. If disabling Pretendo fixed your problem, your problem was not the one this thread is about.
You just wrote 1000 words to agree with my point. Congrats. Imagine, if you'd just read my original post you would've saved yourself half an hour. in the resolution to the thread before I arrived OP said this:

"the Wii U reads Arkham City's digital version as Version 16, and with really no more eShop, there's no server left to correct it when a disc gets popped in.​
...But that's just my theory."​

which is factually incorrect. you have now just posted the correct end to the thread. as I said in post 1, it's nothing to do with "no server being left". that's what factually incorrect means. you confirmed the same thing multiple times while arguing against someone who agrees with you, because you can't (or won't) read and also apparently don't understand the subjunctive mood. largest self own I have seen in a while
 
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