Gateway Downgrading

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  1. blinkzane
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    3DS Downgrading thread

    Gateway3DS released a method to downgrade all 3DS consoles from any versions and regions with System NAND version up to 9.2
    It currently doesn't work with 2DS and N3DS because they require System version above 6.0 to even function. We don't know if these consoles will be supported on later Gateway updates.

    The target system Version depends on the console's Region.
    Attention, you need to use the correct region file. Do not downgrade to another region.

    Report status

    Report based on thread up to Page43:
    100+ successfully downgraded consoles and 0 Bricked console, 1 unconfirmed brick(page 18)so far.

    A FAQ is available below the quick downgrade tutorial

    Readme from Gateway-3DS team:

    SHORT TUTORIAL

    Before proceeding and if you are using EmuNAND : be sure your NNID is correctly linked on your SysNAND.
    if you formated your SysNAND to unlink SysNAND and EmuNAND folders on your SD card, re-add NNID on sysNAND or your emuNAND will not be able to access eShop after downgrade.

    I guess all the "link" and "unlink" are hard to follow, so here is a resume:
    - If you never created emuNAND : downgrade without issue. You will link the eShop NNID to your emuNAND when you will create it.
    - If you already created emuNAND : Be sure eShop access and NNID work on your emuNAND before downgrading.
    - If you don't care about eshop, don't worry about all this.


    0) PLUG IN YOUR SYSTEM
    1) go to gateway site and select downloads
    2) look for Downgrade file sets
    3) download YOUR 3DS REGION (we have no confirmation of region changing)
    4) place .DG file on your 3DS SD (the big one)
    5) load gateway exploit through BROWSER menu
    6) hold L as soon as bottom screen turns white
    7) backup your sysNAND(this is forced and it MUST be on your SD card)
    8) at Gateway menu scroll right to downgrade selection
    9) follow on screen prompts
    10) console will take a few moments to restart, do not panic!
    The next few steps are required if you don't want to use the browser exploit
    11) install the blue card exploit once downgrade is complete (guide here) (if you already have emuNAND installed you don't need to go past step 10 and on 3.01 you don't need to hold L unless you want to boot the gateway menu)
    12) no more wifi at startup!!!!
    13) just go to settings/other settings/profile/DS profile to launch gateway now


    FAQ and informations


    Is it safe or dangerous?
    It's always dangerous to write to and modify your sysNAND!

    There's no software method to restore a bricked console.
    But it can be fixed by soldering 4 wires in your console to backup/restore NAND dumps.
    If you brick your console, you need to keep a NAND dump safe for restoration!
    Always make and keep nand.bin files of different versions in case you need to fix a broken unit.

    Why would I want to downgrade to 4.x if Gateway 3.0 works with 9.2 consoles?
    on 5.0+ console, you need to use the browser exploit to launch Gateway.
    on 4.x consoles, you have different advantages:
    - Gateway launching from Mset (NDS) exploit or from Browser exploit
    - No auto-download and install of Firmwares updates from Nintendo if Parental control setup! (please, confirm this, but should work)
    - Possibility to launch Homebrew requiring Kernel Access (Launcher.dat homebrew, such as CTR multi Decrypter)
    - Less DS flashcards blocked (you can fully removed the blacklist with a cia installer)
    - You can make a 4.x emuNAND dump to use as cFW debugger. (peek/poke requires 4.x)

    When downgrading does the SD card get formatted?
    No.

    Can I use the downgrade menu to install a different system Version?
    Yes. The NAND restore feature (Press UP instead of Start) can be used to actually install existing EmuNAND Dumps to your sysNAND.
    Attention: It will fully replace the sysNAND, it doesn't downgrade the version by keeping existing titles and data!

    When restoring NAND, do I lose data?
    Restoring a NAND dump restores the NAND state as it was when you dumped it. You will lose everything you did since the backup.

    Do I need a Gateway Card to downgrade?
    No, you do not need gateway card to downgrade, just the internet exploit and 9.2 Firmware or lower.

    Can I downgrade to another and lower System version?
    Currently, it's not possible to downgrade to another version. The downgrade require Downgrade package with specific target system version.
    Only one System version per region are currently available.


    Can I update from 4.2 or 4.4 to 4.5?
    Yes, but it's NOT NEEDED.
    You can use a game cartridge (Luigi Mansion, or animal crossing for example)
    You can also use Gateway without emuNAND partition, press UP when entering Gateway Mode and launch Luigi Mansion or any other 4.5.0-x game.


    Can I update my system officially after a downgrade?
    Not sure yet.
    Seems there are issue downloading updates from Nintendo servers.
    The downgrade feature doesn't really downgrade the console to a real old state, it only downgrades some Titles. Maybe official updating function is confused because of mixed Titles versions.
    Need more confirmations.


    Can I install cFW after downgrading my console?
    Yes.

    What about savegames?
    - Game cartridge using 6.x keyY played in SysNAND or emuNAND will not be compatible after downgrade to 4.5 SysNAND, even if played in EmuNAND classic 6.x+
    - Game cartridge using 2.x keyY will work after downgrade.

    - ROM's savegames should be compatible with any system version.
    ROM using 6.x KeyY played on SysNAND or EmuNAND use the same encryption method (pre-6x method) even when SysNAND is 6+

    - Installed games/eShop games and their savegames are still present and working.


    What about eShop?
    eShop works fine, with both linked and unlinked emuNAND and NNID.
    eshop, NNID and balance are still intact.

    Attention: Do not downgrade with unlinked NAND/EmuNAND if you didn't re-link the NNID to SysNAND.
    If you unlink NNID on sysNAND, the emuNAND can't access eshop anymore. You need to re-link NNID on SysNAND before downgrading.

    I downgraded with unlinked NNID, how can I fix it?
    You need to restore your backup NAND (back to 9.x on SysNAND). This Step is needed to have a SysNAND compatible with NNID setup! (4.x doesn't have NNID)
    Link NNID on sysNAND
    Downgrade again

    Steps detailed here.

    Will my Ninjhax cartridge still work on 4.x?
    You will need to clear the savegame and reinstall Ninjhax exploit for 4.x


    Other informations reported by users
    • it has been confirmed that ALL 3Ds models (except 2ds and N3ds for now) can downgrade : Normal, XL/LL, Special editions.

    • it does not matter what firmware your 3DS started at, I downgraded my NES 3DS XL that started well above 4.5

    • Savegame from 6.x KeyY games are compatible between both 4.x and newer sysNAND versions.
    If you started playing a game with Gateway 3.0 on your 9.2 console, you can downgrade to 4.5 and continue playing it on your emuNAND.

    Attention: It seems there are contradictory reports. Some games have compatible savegames and others are corrupted. It needs further investigations.

    • EUR downgrade file seems to contains an update file and the console will ask to apply it. You can format the SysNAND to delete the update nag, but you will lose your saves and eshops! it will also unlink your SysNAND to EmuNAND.
    The target version update is unknown (nobody reported which version it tries to install)
    The update message doesn't happen on every consoles. It's still unclear what generate it (users who already had their console on 4.5?)

    • The one unconfirmed brick seems to be from a bug in Gateway Ultra 3.0, so please try to use 3.0.1 even though we have seen confirmed downgrades with 3.0
     
  2. WaryLouka

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    Downgrading on all 3DS systems is possible, whatever firmware your console started on, except for the 2DS.
     
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  3. Xenon Hacks

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    "We currently recommend that ONLY USERS WITH A NAND MOD try this"
    So no dont try
     
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  4. blinkzane
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    blinkzane Panic at your moms house

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    is this confirmed though? because i would like mine on 4.5 but I dont want to be the first to take the plunge like I was for emNAND lol.
     
  5. WaryLouka

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    I have 3 consoles, two 3DS and a 3DS XL. The two 3DS downgraded successfully.
    edit: without a gateway
     
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  6. blinkzane
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    blinkzane Panic at your moms house

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    so you bought them at a higher firmware than 4.5?
    I just want to be sure so sorry for the questions.

    edit: i have the NES XL from gamestop
     
  7. WaryLouka

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    First 3DS was purchased one week from the original release.
    Second 3DS was purchased last month.
     
  8. WaryLouka

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    It could work, but there would be problems like the Wireless switch and the 3D calibration things.
     
  9. blinkzane
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    blinkzane Panic at your moms house

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    okay, i'm still going to wait until someone with a recent XL purchase has confirmed
     
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  10. CalebW

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    Does anybody know how the downgrading works?
     
  11. WaryLouka

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    The Gateway doesn't allows you when you try to downgrade. Perhaps there is a way to force a downgrade?
     
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    can yo utry downgrading different region please ?
     
  13. whoa154

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    1. Backup System Nand
    2. Download the Downgrade file for your 3ds
    3. Click downgrade
     
  14. VerseHell

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    Do we need the red card to downgrade?
     
  15. blinkzane
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    blinkzane Panic at your moms house

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    as far as I know it downgrade the system to 4.5. what I don't know is if it's a full downgrade or if it's tricking the system and changing certain features. although it seems to be a simple process as in putting the DG. file on the 3ds SD card and selecting downgrade from the GW menu
     
  16. WaryLouka

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    Nope.
     
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  17. Xenon Hacks

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    Is there even any benefit downgrading? wont you lose access to eshop?
     
  18. blinkzane
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    it's not confirmed but I would recommend it.
     
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  19. blinkzane
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    blinkzane Panic at your moms house

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    only on sysNAND. but with downgrading you can use blue card to launch exploit.
     
  20. poisonousj

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    Would be really awesome if you could downgrade a Japanese N3DS to 4.5 English firmware...I'd order one in a heartbeat if that worked.
     
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