Dungeon and Dragons! 4E

[Urza]

Of course there are.

And even if, god forbid, we lived in a world without online tabletop software, it doesn't take a genius to rig something up using other programs.

 

[BoneMonkey]

we will just have to use open rpg or irc or something

 

[Joujoudoll]

You'll figure it out.

 

[Urza]

A page of useless posts later, Joujoudoll is now on Urza's ignore list.

Anyways, I'm in the process of reading through the new core books. I don't think I'm familiar enough with the system to DM though, so we'll need to find someone else.

 

[BoneMonkey]

Joujoudoll STFU !

Im reading through the new core books too they got rid of the gnomes lol

im thinking im going to be a dwarf fighter but then i noticed they cant wear plate ?? niether can warlord wtf ?

 

[Urza]

im thinking im going to be a dwarf fighter but then i noticed they cant wear plate ?? niether can warlord wtf ?

You can learn feats that will allow you to wear plate (Amour Proficiency).

 

[Bob Evil]

I need to have a sit down, and read them through ... do Humans still get bonus feats?


EDIT : Yes, they do ... nice


RACIAL TRAITS
Average Height: 5´ 6˝–6´ 2˝
Average Weight: 135–220 lb.
Ability Scores: +2 to one ability score of your choice
Size: Medium
Speed: 6 squares
Vision: Normal
Languages: Common, choice of one other
Bonus At-Will Power: You know one extra at-will
power from your class.
Bonus Feat: You gain a bonus feat at 1st level. You must
meet the feat’s prerequisites.
Bonus Skill: You gain training in one additional skill
from your class skill list.
Human Defense Bonuses: +1 to Fortitude, Reflex, and
Will defenses

 

[BoneMonkey]

ok read all the new core books even the monster manual this is what i got

4th Edition
Introduces:
* Warlord CLASS
* Warlock CLASS
* Eladrin RACE
* Tiefling RACE
* Dragonborn RACE

Omits:
* Bard CLASS
* Druid CLASS
* Sorcerer CLASS
* Barbarian CLASS
* Monk CLASS
* Half-orc RACE
* Gnome RACE

 

[Yahzon]

Just got through some reading.
Dungeons and Dragons were already butchered game that changes Role playing into Roll playing. Not important was who your character is, what is his story, motives, what drives him. Important was how efficient he was at defeating opponents. Dungeons and Dragons was just a demo of what RPG is, good for 12 years kids, and people without imagination to do the real thing.
The new thing is the same. Just even more butchered.
It really feals more to a computer hack&slash, than a proper RPG, but maybe it's just me, who likes to play his character and have moral problems on what is a character supposed to do, instead of forgetting such things, and just rolling dices, and collecting exp.

 

[Urza]

Just got through some reading.
Dungeons and Dragons were already butchered game that changes Role playing into Roll playing. Not important was who your character is, what is his story, motives, what drives him. Important was how efficient he was at defeating opponents. Dungeons and Dragons was just a demo of what RPG is, good for 12 years kids, and people without imagination to do the real thing.
The new thing is the same. Just even more butchered.
It really feals more to a computer hack&slash, than a proper RPG, but maybe it's just me, who likes to play his character and have moral problems on what is a character supposed to do, instead of forgetting such things, and just rolling dices, and collecting exp.

I disagree completely.

You're only going to get as much of an experience out of DnD as you put in. The source books just provide you with the framework, the gears and mechanics, if you will. They aren't going to tell you what your character's story is, or how its relevant to the campaign. That is the responsibility of the player and DM respectively, and if you don't choose to fully realize that, then you're missing out.

Its not so much about the difference between a "role playing game" and "roll playing game". A more accurate observation would be the difference between a "role player" and a "roll player".

 

[anime_junkie]

^True dat, Urza. The people make more of a difference, not the rules. Oh, and I'm totally up for a GBATemp P&P game. I have tons of rulebooks for tons of systems, too, and I could DM, even though I'm not the greatest at it. And we need to figure out how to do it. IRC actually works pretty well, I've played some IRC games before (not much though), and there is OpenRPG, but that thing confuses the heck out of me.

Oh, and 4E ruined tieflings. D:

 

[Yahzon]

I heard this argument a hundred times:
Let's tell you a story. I was running a session once, three experienced players and one newcomer.
The session was supposed to be a difficult detective story about someone murdering Cormyr Ambassador in Waterdeep. Several suspects, three different factions, a lot of personal working and a lot of dangers. After 15 minutes of story the newcomer said "F*** this, let's roll gather information and whang the bad guy".

It doesn't matter on what you can do with DnD. The fact is that WotC killed or abandoned all interesting, hard, and playable settings (Planescape, Ravenloft, Darksun, Spelljammer), and choose to develop soaplike regular fantasy like Greyhawk and Fearun. Most of source books feel like buying a booster for a card game, you get a lot of new spells, feats, prestige classes, a lot of new numbers, and little of anything else.

Lastly, during 14 years of running and playing RPG I've met a lot of players. While almost every one of them was playing DnD at some of point I've found one regularity. All role players moved to World of Darkness, Warhammer, Riddle of Steel or similar, less concerned with mechanics, more with story and character development systems. All Roll players talk about their +5 maces of Mood players smiting, and make jokes about role players while they loot dragon treasures.

I still enjoy playing Dungeon and Dragons miniatures, and I still play and run regular DnD. But just as a simple fantasy, when I'm not in a mood of another session of 200 years old Vampiric intrigues, and in the mood of bringing my Temple Rider of Olimadara for another adventure.

DnD for me is something of a like of an simpler, more board game like type of an RPG experience.

 

[BoneMonkey]

I like fighting way more the then roleplaying

 

[Bob Evil]

We used to free form role-play, a lot ...

Almost zero rules, totally zero rolls ... just role-playing, with GM decisions ...

 

[BoneMonkey]

I think im going to be a Dwarf Fighter

 

[Urza]

Let's tell you a story. I was running a session once, three experienced players and one newcomer.
The session was supposed to be a difficult detective story about someone murdering Cormyr Ambassador in Waterdeep. Several suspects, three different factions, a lot of personal working and a lot of dangers. After 15 minutes of story the newcomer said "F*** this, let's roll gather information and whang the bad guy".

And as the DM, it was entirely your fault if you let him do that

It does illustrate my point though.

 

[Bob Evil]

Have you guys seen the 2006 movie, "Gamers"?

It's a comedy must-watch for role-players ...

 

[BoneMonkey]

go to 4chan and go to the TG forum

I made a thread asking for funny dwarf names here are some

Axebeard Beardaxe
Khalid Oakdick, Beardking of the Kingbeard Dwarf Clan
Ironbeard Grimbeard Beardaxe

its fucken hilarious!

 

[Urza]

BeardMonkey.

 

[BoneMonkey]

BeardMonkey McBaconhumper ?