Hacking Coding vWii 3-core support - everything you need to know.

[marcan_troll]

Okaay, the obvious trolls are out and we've clearly reached the limit of potential useful discussion arising from our little intermission in this thread - feel free to go back to your regularly scheduled programming on vWii 3-core development. See you again the next time I get bored enough to visit gbatemp

 

[jammybudga777]

Okaay, the obvious trolls are out and we've clearly reached the limit of potential useful discussion arising from our little intermission in this thread - feel free to go back to your regularly scheduled programming on vWii 3-core development. See you again the next time I get bored enough to visit gbatemp

i gotta big head and its a struggle to stand upright but you seem too do it oh soo well ide like to no your secret lol

 

[papermanzero]

It fully depends on the architecture.
If we are talking about the Linux kernel, the kernel has to take advantage about scheduler, the system calls etc.
The kernel must be optimized to allocate the resources in an effective way. If you would like to take advantage of the architecture you have to adjust the kernel, which could (depending on the architecture) be harder for tri core cpus than dual core cpus.
If we are talking about an OS. Then for sure you have to adjust the OS to take advantage of multi threading.

Okaay, the obvious trolls are out and we've clearly reached the limit of potential useful discussion arising from our little intermission in this thread - feel free to go back to your regularly scheduled programming on vWii 3-core development. See you again the next time I get bored enough to visit gbatemp

LoL. You are insulting others and than it's not your fault. A pure prima donna. Poor guy.

 

[Coto]

Tri Core development is definitely more complex than dual core development.
Especially due to the asymmetry (and the threads you have to take care about). You know that.

I can give you the same advice:
Don't be so arrogant and think you are the master of programming. You are only a poor developer who is frustrated and who lost his interests in console homebrew.
I know programmer who reached more than you.

First, I said it's a different approach and an idea to reach the goal in a different way.
Second, I also explained I don't know the architecture or the system of the WiiU.
Third, It's the principle I explained. How to realize the approach is a completely different discussion.

papermanzero, I think it's not a necessity to bash other coders because they don't think like you.

I know the feel of f0f guys right now, and guess what? I started vectorizing on SSE assembly yesterday! I took that challenge by myself, and i'm not stopping now..

That is a much better approach than to start arguing and breaking down other , say, talented, people thoughts. At least contribute with what you'd know at some extent..

 

[the_randomizer]

I can give you the same advice:
Don't be so arrogant and think you are the master of programming. You are only a poor developer who is frustrated and who lost his interests in console homebrew.
I know programmer who reached more than you.

QFMFT. Truer words couldn't have been spoken. He's just too prideful to accept the fact he lost interest and just doesn't want to admit it.

 

[papermanzero]

papermanzero, I think it's not a necessity to bash other coders because they don't think like you.

Yes, sorry for that.
But I was angry about this one:

Stop making up roadmaps like some clueless pointy-haired boss and start realizing the facts: that there's nobody out there willing to do any of the platform development work, and that it's impossible to build a sandbox to keep piracy away (while people chip at the problem slowly) without Nintendo's cooperation, and that's fundamental, and it doesn't matter how much "security" you throw at it, it is not possible.

I only brought up an idea, and what I received was a bash and an insult. Very Constructive.

 

[the_randomizer]

Yes, sorry for that.
But I was angry about this one:


I only brought up an idea, and what I received was a bash and an insult. Very Constructive.

You know it. We should ask for his constructive feedback and ever so helpful compliments more often. /sarcasm

No wonder people are being so pessimistic lately. Marcan's comments aren't exactly helping general morale.

 

[jammybudga777]

Yes, sorry for that.
But I was angry about this one:



I only brought up an idea, and what I received was a bash and an insult. Very Constructive.

because his a trolllllll. and only those that have troll powers will lead others in to negativity thinking that a simple person couldnt go ahead and learn/enjoy it at the same time. its funny in all these posts from the troll i see one minute he states or says things are possible and then next comment its the impossible. i dont think this dude can make up his mind ....... as i said b4 "TROLLL"

 

[the_randomizer]

because his a trolllllll. and only those that have troll powers will lead others in to negativity thinking that a simple person couldnt go ahead and learn/enjoy it at the same time. its funny in all these posts from the troll i see one minute he states or says things are possible and then next comment its the impossible. i dont think this dude can make up his mind ....... as i said b4 "TROLLL"

Which is why I said these discussions should be kept to the #wiiudev IRC channel. How are these debates being kept on here being productive on here again?

 

[obcd]

You can question the willingness of Marcan_troll and Sven42 to release the Wiiu exploit (altough it's utterly useless), but you shouldn't question their expertise in programming and console hacking.
Sven42 explained in detail why the linux route is currently the best.
1. There are examples of SMP multicore linux kernels for PPC architecture. Once SMP multicore is working, it doesn't matter if you have 2 cores or 16.
2. The Vwii way to enable the other cores and the Wiiu way are identical. The code can be reused.
3. You get free gpu drivers and possible wifi drivers as well.

The idea to start in vwii mode and enable the wiiu specific hardware again is exactly the roadmap Team f0f was following pretty much a year ago. While they discovered that the cores could be started again, they didn't find a way to make the extra wiiu memory available again. So this method is (at the moment) impossible.

Splitting up a complex goal into several easier parts is standard engineering practice.
The 3 cores on vwii linux is only such a part of the goal.
Getting wifi going for instance is another part...

You seem to have driven away the guys with the pieces of the puzzle. Good luck making the puzzle like that.

 

[JoostinOnline]

If you think a dual core OS is easier to write than a tri-core OS, you are clearly completely clueless about software and OS development. It doesn't work like that.

Forgive my ignorance, but I thought that it was exactly the same. From what I understood (and I must admit that I haven't looked into it much), one reason to use Linux as a base was simply so it could handle all three cores (or any number of cores for that matter), so long as they were "enabled" at the launch. Then Linux would delegate resources on its own.

 

[obcd]

Getting more than 3 cores going might be tricky. The Wiiu only has 3

 

[JoostinOnline]

Getting more than 3 cores going might be tricky. The Wiiu only has 3

I know, I was just saying that if it had more, the same would apply.

 

[delroth]

Forgive my ignorance, but I thought that it was exactly the same. From what I understood (and I must admit that I haven't looked into it much), one reason to use Linux as a base was simply so it could handle all three cores (or any number of cores for that matter), so long as they were "enabled" at the launch. Then Linux would delegate resources on its own.

That's exactly what Marcan is saying and what people who have no idea about software can't seem to understand.

 

[Pogostick]

And some want to close this thread full of interesting pieces of the puzzle?
It won't be tomorrow we will finish that puzzle. 2 many pieces are still missing.

Your saying that two pieces of the puzzle are still missing?

 

[obcd]

Your saying that two pieces of the puzzle are still missing?

Nope, I was saying 2 many... "to many"

 

[Pogostick]

GUYS! LET'S GET BACK ONBEAT! What did I say before? Focus on the donation to Maxternal first!

 

[OncleJulien]

the fact of the matter, one of them at least, is that the future hacking of the wiiu, or the release of an existing hack, would neither be helped nor hindered by ray's house burning down with him in it. the fact that it would, however, put a smile on megazig's face is just a happy happenstance.

 

[uyjulian]

Don't expect a softmod in 2 years.

 

[the_randomizer]

Removed