So, if I use benzin v2.1.12, then I just get a solid black banner, even if I just convert the brlyt and brlan files to xml and back, without editing anything. If I use the older benzin v1.2.1, then I get the expected results, and the banner works fine. I am curious if I am doing something wrong, or if there is a bug in the newer versions of benzin? Side question, how does layering work in banners? If I want to place one pane below another (in terms of layers, not literally below the other), how would I accomplish that? EDIT: I figured out the layer thing, It seams to go by the order of the pic1 tags between pas1 and pae1.