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notnarb said:
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Why waste your time with crappy ATI cards that require more power and generate more heat? For 150 bucks you can get a 9800GT 512MB graphics card from Zotac on Newegg.ca, thats the card I am after and has great reviews on it too.
Why waste your time with the agin 9800gt when you can get a 4830 which generates the same amount of heat, uses the same amount of power, and gives around the same performance (although the 4830 can be clocked much higher with simple overclocking utilities) for 20 dollars cheaper (for you silly Canadians at least, here in the states it can be had for 75, half the price of your 9800)

source: http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware...iews/msi9800gt/ which is a little outdated as the 4830 has dropped in price significantly since then and the 50 dollar rebates have all expired for the 9800, leaving the after rebate price around where the 4830 is before rebate. The reviewer also had a stock 4830, a better overclock can be obtained with one with a new fan, such as the sapphire version of the card.

But I will agree with you, OP should get a newer, more efficient card (both the 9800 and 4830 are a step up from the 3870), unless of course he has a reason for needing 1GB of video ram
Zotac 9800GT just for reference:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16814500080


The prices vary though by brand, yes the 4830's in general might be a bit cheaper depending on the brand, but I think dollar for dollar, the Zotac 9800GT is one of the best budget gamer video cards on the market in terms of specs, however you really do have to look at the detailed specs of both models. The cheapest 4830 is 123 CAD, made by PowerColor, the 9800GT has a higher core clock but the 4830 has more stream processes (640 vs 116), those are the only two spec details that I see which sets them apart. The Zotac card is smaller in size though so if you are going for a smaller form factor case like me, while both would fit just fine, the Zotac won't risk me running out of room for other cards and I can still get high performance and possibly a bit of overclocking.
 

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you cant really compare specs from one company to the others
they are all different, and what you think it going to be better isnt always true

you should be reading the benchmarks (actual testing) rather then just going by specs
also now there is a sppahire 4830 for only $112 CAD
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16814102822
bang for buck the 4830 takes it by a mile
 

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Hi guys, just wanted to let you know I might be ordering it today or tomorrow so if your going to say anything say it NOW!

I found out today that my case has a LCD temp read out on it. Does it plug in to my motherboard or something? The only cable I didn't know what it did was called "AC'97."

Things I changed:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16826193041
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16823227002

@Joe88: The Sapphire Radeon HD 4830 is $92CA right now, $20 less then what you said.
 

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*sigh* NewEgg is being a pain, and won't give me the $65 off that I'm short. Anything else I could get for a better deal?

Also, will I be able to hit max on most games?
 

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Well, I decided to order it tomorrow. But I'm only going to order half.

The half I'm getting:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16812123176
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16827151173
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16814102822
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16817341019
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16819103286
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16835200049

$442 with tax and shipping.

What I'm waiting to go on sale (will buy within 30 days so in case my CPU or something doesn't work I'll be able to return it):
Motherboard
CPU Heatsink
Hard Drive
RAM
Keyboard
Mouse
 

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Ordering at 6:00pm today... Please let me know what you think.

EDIT: Ordered it. No one better say "you should have got this!" If you were going to post that, you should have posted that a few hours ago.
 

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I thought you were on a budget...
saitek doesnt exactly make quality parts, best to go with logitech
 

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The keyboard has a 2 year warranty.

Yeah, I'm on a budget but some things I won't cheap out on. I don't want a nice computer and not be able to play it because my keyboard sucks.
 

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Found a cheaper hard drive for almost the same price.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16822136098

The parts came today, all look fine
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. I'll post some photo's soon so you guys can tell me if I'm doing anything wrong.
 

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playallday said:
*sigh* NewEgg is being a pain, and won't give me the $65 off that I'm short. Anything else I could get for a better deal?

Also, will I be able to hit max on most games?


I don't think you are going to get any playable framerates on that card on max settings unless you are playing 1280X1024, and even then you will be getting an average of 25 to 30 fps. any higher resolution and it starts chugging. (this is newer games like far cry2 etc etc)
 

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Thanks.

I'm most likely going to order the rest of the parts on like the 20th or something.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16813157139
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16835185125
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16822136098
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16820220293
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16826104178

I'm going to upgrade the RAM to 12GB (2 x 2GB and 2 x 4GB) one day when everything is cheaper and my computer is out-dated. Also I want to run CrossFire later as well, that's what I got the 700W PSU.
 

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playallday said:
Hmm... I seem to have found a good price on a computer... What do you think about it?

QUOTE said:
Dell Inspiron 518, E2200 (2.2GHZ)
16X DVD+/-RW DRIVE
2GB DDR2 SDRAM AT 800MHZ
320GB SERIAL ATA II,7200 RPM,DIM,M
Dell USB Keyboard and mouse
Vista SP1 HOME PREM
DELL E198WFP Widescreen LCD, 19"
WARRANTY ENDS 10/7/2009

The thing only costs $500 with free shipping.

I'm thinking about buying it and upgrading the RAM (to 4GB) and putting a video card in there. So that'll only cost about $100. And latter I'd upgrade Windows to the 64-Bit so I can upgrade the motherboard to its max 8GB RAM.


afaik home premium cant use 4gb of ram! well at least the 32bit version cannot not use it properly ... you will need the 64bit version!

re your original post you choose expensive parts and components but crap out with an OEM style graphics card and not a retail version where retail is always the best root for quality cards yet you say you don't want to cheap out on some things .....I would say that for gaming the GRAPHICS card would be a PRIORITY for quality! followed by a good fast processor (with a good quality heat sink and fan/cooler) and RAM with a fast clock speed .... and a HD with a fast spin time with a large cache for fast access times of data!


As above trying to max out the res on a bigger screen will be problematic and give you more headaches than its worth trying to find a suitable resolution that gives speed as well as clarity ....but your going to loose some of that clarity anyhow if you get that card as the HDTV is via an adapter that converts the DVI to HDMI or DVI to VGA rather than direct connection!

#1 Tip too is to read the reviews .....

someone bought that same card and it came D.O.A (Dead on Arrival)

not a great start!

If you ask me your going a tad OVERKILL for specs! 12gb of ram seems a POINTLESS and expensive purchase ....when you look at the recommended specs of most games out there to date don't even use/need that much ram with 4gb being about tops/ample on most games also refer to original comment of 32bit vs 64bit same issues apply if you get the 32bit you can only address 4gb of it!

You need to take a realistic look at what your actually going to use it for if its for gaming then HUGE amounts of ram and a 1gb graphics card DOES NOT INSTANTLY MAKE A BETTER GAMER!

Remember ....If your broadband connection SUX A$$ compared to the guy down the street that's on 50meg ADSL to your 8meg ADSL his ping rate is going to be far quicker than yours and that could be make or break in a death match!
 

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kobykaan said:
playallday said:
Hmm... I seem to have found a good price on a computer... What do you think about it?

QUOTE said:
Dell Inspiron 518, E2200 (2.2GHZ)
16X DVD+/-RW DRIVE
2GB DDR2 SDRAM AT 800MHZ
320GB SERIAL ATA II,7200 RPM,DIM,M
Dell USB Keyboard and mouse
Vista SP1 HOME PREM
DELL E198WFP Widescreen LCD, 19"
WARRANTY ENDS 10/7/2009

The thing only costs $500 with free shipping.

I'm thinking about buying it and upgrading the RAM (to 4GB) and putting a video card in there. So that'll only cost about $100. And latter I'd upgrade Windows to the 64-Bit so I can upgrade the motherboard to its max 8GB RAM.


afaik home premium cant use 4gb of ram! well at least the 32bit version cannot not use it properly ... you will need the 64bit version!

re your original post you choose expensive parts and components but crap out with an OEM style graphics card and not a retail version where retail is always the best root for quality cards yet you say you don't want to cheap out on some things .....I would say that for gaming the GRAPHICS card would be a PRIORITY for quality! followed by a good fast processor (with a good quality heat sink and fan/cooler) and RAM with a fast clock speed .... and a HD with a fast spin time with a large cache for fast access times of data!


As above trying to max out the res on a bigger screen will be problematic and give you more headaches than its worth trying to find a suitable resolution that gives speed as well as clarity ....but your going to loose some of that clarity anyhow if you get that card as the HDTV is via an adapter that converts the DVI to HDMI or DVI to VGA rather than direct connection!

#1 Tip too is to read the reviews .....

someone bought that same card and it came D.O.A (Dead on Arrival)

not a great start!

If you ask me your going a tad OVERKILL for specs! 12gb of ram seems a POINTLESS and expensive purchase ....when you look at the recommended specs of most games out there to date don't even use/need that much ram with 4gb being about tops/ample on most games also refer to original comment of 32bit vs 64bit same issues apply if you get the 32bit you can only address 4gb of it!

You need to take a realistic look at what your actually going to use it for if its for gaming then HUGE amounts of ram and a 1gb graphics card DOES NOT INSTANTLY MAKE A BETTER GAMER!

Remember ....If your broadband connection SUX A$$ compared to the guy down the street that's on 50meg ADSL to your 8meg ADSL his ping rate is going to be far quicker than yours and that could be make or break in a death match!
Few things, I did that build a WHILE AGO! My current build is FAR from that.

Err, I did go with a retail version video card (4830), not OEM. Now I DID go with a OEM CPU if that's what your talking about.

I have Windows Vista 64-Bit now so RAM shouldn't be a issue. Yes, you are right, 12GB of RAM is a overkill! But you know what, in a few years it won't be. I'm thinking about getting that much RAM in a few years. I also do some programing and a bit of photo/video editing so more RAM is never a bad thing in my case.

When I said I don't cheap out on some parts, I mean parts that aren't going to get out-dated in days. Like keyboards, cases, fans, etc.
 

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playallday said:
Yes, you are right, 12GB of RAM is a overkill! But you know what, in a few years it won't be. I'm thinking about getting that much RAM in a few years. I also do some programing and a bit of photo/video editing so more RAM is never a bad thing in my case.

When I said I don't cheap out on some parts, I mean parts that aren't going to get out-dated in days. Like keyboards, cases, fans, etc.


lol in a few years the WHOLE SYSTEM will be outdated and so will the RAM anyhow!
 

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kobykaan said:
playallday said:
Yes, you are right, 12GB of RAM is a overkill! But you know what, in a few years it won't be. I'm thinking about getting that much RAM in a few years. I also do some programing and a bit of photo/video editing so more RAM is never a bad thing in my case.

When I said I don't cheap out on some parts, I mean parts that aren't going to get out-dated in days. Like keyboards, cases, fans, etc.


lol in a few years the WHOLE SYSTEM will be outdated and so will the RAM anyhow!

ANYWAYS, back to the up lifting stuff.

I'm going to duel boot Linux and Windows. Do I install Linux or Windows first?

Current build is still the same.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16813157139
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16835185125
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16822136098
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16820220293
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16826104178

juggernaut911 said:
QUOTE(playallday @ Mar 30 2009, 11:36 AM)
Also, will I be able to hit max on most games?

You don't need to. As long as they are playable, you should be fine.

Props on the 5 post streak.
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Hey, better settings make games more fun. At least that's what I think.

Err, sorry about that
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Also, I notices that you didn't have the Deathadder on your wishlist. NOOO!!!! The Razor Deathadder is the best mouse I've ever used. It's big enough for my hands (I felt the Mx5whatever and the G5 and they are TINY!!!!).
 

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