Agreed.
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x65943
If God ever shows up I have a feeling it will go something like this
Nikokaro
I suppose you say that ironically, if I know you a little. Actually, if done in all honesty and complete devotion, it will bring that result (to begin with by suppressing many deleterious passions: resentment, envy, jealousy, selfishness, covetousness etc.). 
Spring_Spring
Nothing I say is ever ironic.
HarveyHouston
Belief in God is not just for your physical or mental health; it's acknowledging that an all-powerful being exists - but it exists whether you believe it or not.
HarveyHouston
Someone once said that it takes more faith to be atheist than to be a believer. Having seen how people act in regards to their beliefs, I find this to be true.
Spring_Spring
A belief in nothing is still a belief all the same.
HarveyHouston
Quite true. As I've said before, however, beliefs do not change the existence of things. For your own mental health and well-being, seek the truth.
x65943
From my perspective there is no God, and your belief in God also does not change the fact he doesn't exist
He does not exist whether or not you believe in him
He does not exist whether or not you believe in him
Nikokaro
Who knows why, but your position on this matter does not surprise me at all, doc. 
x65943
There is a connection with too much schooling and atheism
AncientBoi
And to believe in Oneself @Spring_Spring 
Nikokaro
However, according to a certain American tradition (pragmatism), if faith is effective, It gives results, is good for you, keeps you healthy, then it is true.
x65943
Many derive meaning from it, for me I cannot believe even if I try. And as we all know self deception is difficult or even impossible
No worries that others do, but for me I cannot
No worries that others do, but for me I cannot
Nikokaro
"And as we all know self deception is difficult or even impossible"
Perhaps you meant the opposite, doc? It is easy self-deceiving, self-suggesting, about religion and faith.
Perhaps you meant the opposite, doc? It is easy self-deceiving, self-suggesting, about religion and faith.
x65943
I think one cannot truly deceive oneself
In the end you must be conscious of it
In the end you must be conscious of it
AncientBoi
I believe in both the devil and God.
As WE are ALL Gods children[.]
He even loves the likes of ME
As WE are ALL Gods children[.]
He even loves the likes of ME
Nikokaro
Doc, If you only knew how many people are self-deceived! One sees, wants, believes not what actually (objectively) is, but what gives us pleasure, what satisfies our ego. 
x65943
But I do not believe you can trick yourself into believing what you do not believe, not totally
You know in truth it's not your belief
You know in truth it's not your belief
Nikokaro
Complex issue. We are not fully conscious of everything that goes through our minds. There are conscious, preconscious and unconscious elements with strong emotional value (with roots in childhood) that affect us in spite of ourselves, and which we cannot control or suppress.