If you think the whole world is rotten and man is filth etc and you aren't a pessimist, well then could you tell me what a pessimist would be?
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KleinesSinchen
"man is filth"
This is not my opinion. Quite far from my opinion. It is a just quote from The Robbers (which I re-read this week). I sometimes send Nikokaro quotes.
"could you tell me what a pessimist would be?"
Later. I promise to write it all down, but I can't promise it to be soon.
This is not my opinion. Quite far from my opinion. It is a just quote from The Robbers (which I re-read this week). I sometimes send Nikokaro quotes.
"could you tell me what a pessimist would be?"
Later. I promise to write it all down, but I can't promise it to be soon.
KleinesSinchen
Statements like "All lifeforms but humans are good. Just humans are evil. Animals are sooo much better." aren't part of my personality.
Literature quotes are often a good starting point for thinking. If I wanted to appear pessimistic, I'd chosen something from Nineteen Eighty-Four.
Literature quotes are often a good starting point for thinking. If I wanted to appear pessimistic, I'd chosen something from Nineteen Eighty-Four.
KleinesSinchen
Mhmm. How about that one?
(It is from Faust again: While dying, Valentine has nothing better to do than insulting his poor sister Gretchen)
KleinesSinchen
This is a reminder to not take the advancements and achievements in this regard for granted. It was a long way getting rid of such religiously motivated and unjustified behavior.
What the human civilization achieved in terms of freedom in the 1980s and 1990s is unprecedented.
What the human civilization achieved in terms of freedom in the 1980s and 1990s is unprecedented.
Nikokaro
True; nothing to object to. I, too, would condemn a certain formal and official patriarchal religiosity, but not the religious being of the individual's intimate life: it would be like "throwing the baby out with the bathwater," as we say over here.
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It's not so much I love everyone but I hold all blameless
KleinesSinchen
Let's put it that way: In the name of religion, or in the name of God, or in the name of various gods, there has been a lot of violence (including war), cruelty and psychological abuse.
That is not what religion should be.
That is not what religion should be.
Nikokaro
"That is not what religion should be."
In fact, not all of them were, are, and ever will be so: e.g., the religion (many would call it a "path to self-realization", and would bring it closer to a certain psychology) of which I am an unworthy and imperfect practitioner: Buddhism.
In fact, not all of them were, are, and ever will be so: e.g., the religion (many would call it a "path to self-realization", and would bring it closer to a certain psychology) of which I am an unworthy and imperfect practitioner: Buddhism.
KleinesSinchen
Somehow I missed the opportunity to bring in the Gretchenfrage (Margarete's or Gretchen's Question), as well as the little discussion between her and Faust at this point… and a bit later the comment + interpretation by Mephistopheles (
).
Well. At least a part since the d*mn 420 char limit is driving me insane.
).Well. At least a part since the d*mn 420 char limit is driving me insane.
KleinesSinchen
That devilish figure! If a man blindly follows Christianity, he will also obey all of a woman's orders…
That devilish figure! If a man blindly follows Christianity, he will also obey all of a woman's orders…
Nikokaro
I do not understand the purpose of this quote, but I can say one thing: Margaret is a clearly a humble, simple person, a victim of the wicked, mean and vile Faust, who will unfortunately succeed in corrupting and destroying her. Faust, a deplorable and insufferable figure, so arrogant and conceited that he thinks he can finally deceive the devil. He symbolizes everything I fight (within and without).
KleinesSinchen
"I do not understand the purpose of this quote"
It is one of the most iconic scenes.
"thinks he can finally deceive the devil"
Faust part II is very, very hard to read. I never got 100% through this. Part I is relatively easy and I chose it for my final oral exam at school (Abiturprüfung) together with Steppenwolf.
At the end of part II the Mephistopheles fails harvesting Faust's soul.
It is one of the most iconic scenes.
"thinks he can finally deceive the devil"
Faust part II is very, very hard to read. I never got 100% through this. Part I is relatively easy and I chose it for my final oral exam at school (Abiturprüfung) together with Steppenwolf.
At the end of part II the Mephistopheles fails harvesting Faust's soul.
KleinesSinchen
"wicked, mean and vile Faust"
He bet that the devil would be unable to provide some enjoyment that will fully satisfy him and erase the desire for more. Mephistopheles has the old scholar rejuvenated with the help of a potion mixed by a witch and tries to thoroughly corrupt the – now young – man with sex.
Faust does not want to harm Gretchen and even unsuccessfully tries to save her.
He bet that the devil would be unable to provide some enjoyment that will fully satisfy him and erase the desire for more. Mephistopheles has the old scholar rejuvenated with the help of a potion mixed by a witch and tries to thoroughly corrupt the – now young – man with sex.
Faust does not want to harm Gretchen and even unsuccessfully tries to save her.
Nikokaro
You mentioned Steppenwolf in passing: but Harry Haller is me, with my irreconcilable dichotomy between material and spiritual, instinct and meditation, attraction to material trifles and yearning for mental detachment from daily "filth".
ChubSwagLad
why is it that I always find you 2 engaged in deep philosophical discussions on this site ?
KleinesSinchen
Maybe because how hard it is to convince Nikokaro in participating in a deep technical discussion?
And: Why not?
Besides, for the case you dislike this, you made a mistake replying here because of an infamous weakness of XenForo
And: Why not?
Besides, for the case you dislike this, you made a mistake replying here because of an infamous weakness of XenForo
Recorded the whole series because the DVDs were a bit too expensive some years ago.