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unless the creator's goal is to satisfy the player, or, as many players as possible U ' w ' U

Developers are there to just make what the director tells them to. It isn't up to them either.

"What matters is that the creator was satisfied with what they accomplished" yes but that mainly matters to the creator, there is no objective meaning to what "matters" in art

well you are an artist right? how do you feel about the whole idea that stuff is made just to be shown to others? just to clamour for approval?

"Developers are there to just make what the director tells them to. It isn't up to them either." what about projects with no director?

as shocking as it may seem devs are not just a tool to be used, they are artists in their own right

good games come when directors and devs communicate, not just "here's an idea, make it a thing"

If I showed you my story that's been in the works, and then showed you Shakespeare, how would you judge which one is better? If me, the creator, am proud with what I made and believe it to be better, than all other opinions are invalidated.

For projects with no director- it belongs simply to whoever created it. That can be more than one person.

Stuff made just to show others? I know what it's like. I'm an entertainer. A people pleaser at heart. Nothing in this world feels better than knowing I entertained or cheered someone up. It's fine- but people can't criticize someone's work just because it doesn't suit them flawlessly.

Devs that are hired to make someone else's stuff are tools. Just- tools with feelings.

They can throw suggestions out- but those are utterly worthless if the one in charge says no. Developers have fixed goals. They're not making anything on their own. They're creating what someone else told them to.
The creator made a duck- the creator hired people to make more of the same duck. Those hirees aren't being artistic in anywhere near the same way.

"If me, the creator, am proud with what I made and believe it to be better, than all other opinions are invalidated." that's the thing, that's to you only, there are no objective correct opinions, opinions just have differing amounts of weight depending on the person

@Mama Looigi well I'm sure your story is at least more relateable if not more interesting U ' w ' U

"Devs that are hired to make someone else's stuff are tools. Just- tools with feelings."

"tell me you've never devved a day in your life without telling me you've never devved a day in your life"

It really just depends on if you're doing it for yourself or not. I mean... I have some art I don't show to anyone else. Then I have the art in my art dumps- people only got to see that art 1. because I deemed it worthy of representing the actual image I was going for and 2. because I like these people.
If I didn't post it, people couldn't have told me it was good or bad- but either way, it represents the same thing.

An artist that only makes art for other people- well that would be similar to a developer, except that that artist is actually making 100% of it. They're making it specially because they want whoever to like it. That's much different.

now I'm left even more confuzzled than before ;w;

Then how about a random storytime to change the mood :3c

oh god rip my notifs

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do you have alzheimer's or something?