Compare this to, say, Breath of the Wild, which makes the player climb towers and find and pin things themselves - which means it's easy to miss stuff, and gives me no motivation to continue exploring the desolate wasteland version of Hyrule, since I can't just look at my map and decide what I want to do next at any time.
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AkiraKurusu
However, if there's too many map markers (Ubisoft's bad at this, as is Bethesda), that's also a negative, since it means there's a ton of repeated missions. Yawn.
The two extremes - flooding the map with markers, or none whatsoever - are both awful. The middle ground's ideal.
The two extremes - flooding the map with markers, or none whatsoever - are both awful. The middle ground's ideal.
AkiraKurusu
Another game that does this well is Marvel's Spider-Man; New York's never crowded with markers, and almost all of the missions are fun to do (except Screwball and Taskmaster).
smileyhead
Now that I think about it, yeah. Some more automation in BotW would've been nice. For example, the towers have map data, so why shouldn't they give you the locations of shrines in the area? Or have the sensor mark shrines you get in the vicinity of, instead of just beeping annoyingly.
Also, there could've been a counter for stables and towns to tell you how many side quests there are in the vicinity.
Also, there could've been a counter for stables and towns to tell you how many side quests there are in the vicinity.
Julie_Pilgrim
I hate map markers, makes me feel like I’m not discovering anything
Julie_Pilgrim
Well, not always, they can be done well, like in spider man ps4
Julie_Pilgrim
But that game was set in a city, and I don’t wanna find shit in a city
AkiraKurusu
Making some (but not all) markers question marks, instead of just outright describing what's there, could be a nice compromise - I think.
I dunno, I just love map markers, and hate empty maps.
I dunno, I just love map markers, and hate empty maps.
Julie_Pilgrim
Another compromise could be giving the ability to turn markers off
AkiraKurusu
...And the ability to turn them *on* in games that otherwise lack them.
I wonder if someone could hack that into Breath of the Wild, alongside disabling stamina and fragility? So I don't have to check an online, external, map in order to find things.
I wonder if someone could hack that into Breath of the Wild, alongside disabling stamina and fragility? So I don't have to check an online, external, map in order to find things.
Julie_Pilgrim
Since most people don’t like map markers, why put in the effort?
AkiraKurusu
To cater to everyone, instead of just one group.
Julie_Pilgrim
Well I think I did find a mod that got rid of fragility, but it was for cemu
BlazeMasterBM
Wait, people hate map markers? Why??? They're helpful.
Julie_Pilgrim
I want to discover things, not have the game tell me where they are
AkiraKurusu
In Ghost of Tsushima, you could discover collectibles like Mongol artefacts and graveyard crickets and logs and stuff; the major things, like locations and quests and quest objectives (the stuff that's actually important, giving the player motivation to continue playing) got markers.
Julie_Pilgrim
Eh, that's the kinda stuff I wanna find tho
BlazeMasterBM
Usually the discovering part IS left up to you. But if you need to remember where a certain location is, map markers come in handy. But hey, to each his own.
Julie_Pilgrim
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yall im torn... ive been hacking away at tales of phantasia GBA (the USA version) and have so many documents of reverse engineering i've done -
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I just found out that the EU version is better in literally every way, better sound quality, better lighting, and there's even a patch someone made to make the text look nicer
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Do I restart now using what i've learned on the EU version since it's a better overall experience? or do I continue with the US version since that is what ive been using, and if someone decides to play my hack, it would most likely be that version?
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@TwoSpikedHands, I'll preface this with the fact that I know nothing about the game, but, I think it depends on what your goals are. Are you trying to make a definitive version of the game? You may want to refocus your efforts on the EU version then. Or, are you trying to make a better US version? In which case, the only way to make a better US version is to keep on plugging away at that one
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I'm not familiar with the technicalities of the differences between the two versions, but I'm wondering if at least some of those differences are things that you could port over to the US version in your patch without having to include copyrighted assets from the EU version
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@Sicklyboy I am wanting to fully change the game and bend it to my will lol. I would like to eventually have the ability to add more characters, enemies, even have a completely different story if i wanted. I already have the ability to change the tilemaps in the US version, so I can basically make my own map and warp to it in game - so I'm pretty far into it!
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I really would like to make a hack that I would enjoy playing, and maybe other people would too. swapping to the EU version would also mean my US friends could not legally play it
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I am definitely considering porting over some of the EU features without using the actual ROM itself, tbh that would probably be the best way to go about it... but i'm sad that the voice acting is so.... not good on the US version. May not be a way around that though
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do y'all think having an sd card that has a write speed of 700kb/s is a bad idea?
trying to restore emunand rn but it's taking ages... (also when I finished the first time hekate decided to delete all my fucking files
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