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Taleweaver said:
Yes. That as wel (I know about child labor stories and the uyghurs).
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You guys are absolutely ridiculous for taking these baseless rumors as fact. The irony is staggering — you preach about human rights while your own countries enslaved and brutalized Black people for centuries.
Stop projecting your own guilty history onto us.

King Leopold II of Belgium took the Congo as his personal colony and forced the local Black population into slave labor on rubber plantations. Anyone who didn't meet quotas had their hands or feet cut off, and millions perished. The Belgian state later took over and kept exploiting the colony until 1960, finally apologizing only in recent years.
So all you needed to do was apologize.:ohnoes:

As for that Brit above, not to mention, bloody history...
 
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k66 said:
You guys are absolutely ridiculous for taking these baseless rumors as fact. The irony is staggering — you preach about human rights while your own countries enslaved and brutalized Black people for centuries.
Stop projecting your own guilty history onto us.

King Leopold II of Belgium took the Congo as his personal colony and forced the local Black population into slave labor on rubber plantations. Anyone who didn't meet quotas had their hands or feet cut off, and millions perished. The Belgian state later took over and kept exploiting the colony until 1960, finally apologizing only in recent years.
So all you needed to do was apologize.:ohnoes:

As for that Brit above, not to mention, bloody history...
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Yeah... I'm a hypocrite that way: I'm very aware that Leopold 2 was a monster. Happy? It won't stop my criticism, and frankly... You essentially allot I'm more of an expert, even though that all happened long before I was born.

... Or you could read what I initially said about China and draw a conclusion.
 
Taleweaver said:
... Or you could read what I initially said about China and draw a conclusion.
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I don't know how to comment...I only saw your previous reply about the documentary.
Can you learn how to get a girlfriend just by playing galgames?

I feel like there are no issues with privacy or personal freedom in China, unless you're a criminal.
 
KingVamp said:
Ukraine is targeting Russia oil refineries, so there will be less gas to go around. Which means US is going have to advance their technology even faster.
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Not with Oompa J Loompa and his merry band of "yes" men at the helm.
 
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k66 said:
You guys are absolutely ridiculous for taking these baseless rumors as fact. The irony is staggering — you preach about human rights while your own countries enslaved and brutalized Black people for centuries.
Stop projecting your own guilty history onto u
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Baseless rumors LMAO
 
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k66 said:
You guys are absolutely ridiculous for taking these baseless rumors as fact. The irony is staggering — you preach about human rights while your own countries enslaved and brutalized Black people for centuries.
Stop projecting your own guilty history onto us.

King Leopold II of Belgium took the Congo as his personal colony and forced the local Black population into slave labor on rubber plantations. Anyone who didn't meet quotas had their hands or feet cut off, and millions perished. The Belgian state later took over and kept exploiting the colony until 1960, finally apologizing only in recent years.
So all you needed to do was apologize.:ohnoes:

As for that Brit above, not to mention, bloody history...
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>its not true
>but also Belgium did it too so its ok
 
Sir Tortoise said:
>its not true
>but also Belgium did it too so its ok
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>its not true
>I didn't say 'Belgium did it so China is OK.' I said 'Your moral high ground is a joke.'
>I can tell that your understanding really is a problem, no wonder you’re easily fooled.
 
k66 said:
You guys are absolutely ridiculous for taking these baseless rumors as fact. The irony is staggering — you preach about human rights while your own countries enslaved and brutalized Black people for centuries.
Stop projecting your own guilty history onto us.

King Leopold II of Belgium took the Congo as his personal colony and forced the local Black population into slave labor on rubber plantations. Anyone who didn't meet quotas had their hands or feet cut off, and millions perished. The Belgian state later took over and kept exploiting the colony until 1960, finally apologizing only in recent years.
So all you needed to do was apologize.:ohnoes:

As for that Brit above, not to mention, bloody history...
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Couple of fallacies there. The "tu quoque" fallacy, which is basically saying "you too" to the other person while not addressing the original issue.

It's also using the genetic fallacy which is similar, but is rejecting the argument based on the source rather than the merrit.

Honestly, that comment is about as effective as an IDF solder saying nobody can complain about what they're doing because the Germans did something similar too.
 
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titan_tim said:
Couple of fallacies there. The "tu quoque" fallacy, which is basically saying "you too" to the other person while not addressing the original issue.

It's also using the genetic fallacy which is similar, but is rejecting the argument based on the source rather than the merrit.

Honestly, that comment is about as effective as an IDF solder saying nobody can complain about what they're doing because the Germans did something similar too.
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What do you mean by 'tu quoque'? "Same as you?"
Since when did I say China is the same as you guys?

Stop projecting your own guilty history onto us.
What I mean is: don't fantasize about China being just like you.
 
k66 said:
>its not true
>I didn't say 'Belgium did it so China is OK.' I said 'Your moral high ground is a joke.'
>I can tell that your understanding really is a problem, no wonder you’re easily fooled.
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Why is it necessary to investigate the "moral high ground" of people if the baseless rumours are false? It just seems like a weird tangent. Ad hominem and all that.

Like, is China completely immune to accusations of this kind so long as the person bringing it up is not from a country with a spotless record? That's a good trick. Which country is valid for you?
Surely not even China, given they once lied about the existence of the camps altogether. Now they admit they exist, just for a different claimed purpose. But "I was lying before and not now" isnt the most convincing to me.

If it helps, I'm English. I personally haven't done any slavery though, I hope I am allowed to ask these questions. I just find it interesting when an accusation like this is met by weird deflections about morals, as if its a trick.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_Police_Files
 
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Sir Tortoise said:
Why is it necessary to investigate the "moral high ground" of people if the baseless rumours are false? It just seems like a weird tangent. Ad hominem and all that.

Like, is China completely immune to accusations of this kind so long as the person bringing it up is not from a country with a spotless record? That's a good trick. Which country is valid for you?
Surely not even China, given they once lied about the existence of the camps altogether. Now they admit they exist, just for a different claimed purpose. But "I was lying before and not now" isnt the most convincing to me.

If it helps, I'm English. I personally haven't done any slavery though, I hope I am allowed to ask these questions. I just find it interesting when an accusation like this is met by weird deflections about morals, as if its a trick.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_Police_Files
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You're the one making ad hominem attacks by spreading false rumors about China.
I simply present facts – you spread lies.
Since you clearly can't understand basic logic, I see no point in continuing this conversation.
 
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k66 said:
You're the one making ad hominem attacks by spreading false rumors about China.
I simply present facts – you spread lies.
Since you clearly can't understand basic logic, I see no point in continuing this conversation.
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That is...not how ad hominem works, not even if you were China, as in the literal country China posting here.

But if you consider criticism of China as an attack on yourself, yeah, I doubt I'll get any meaningful response. I was curious if you had a take on any of the evidence, or even the demonstrable fact that China has changed its story over time, but nevermind. Run along.

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Sir Tortoise said:
That is...not how ad hominem works, not even if you were China, as in the literal country China posting here.

But if you consider criticism of China as an attack on yourself, yeah, I doubt I'll get any meaningful response. I was curious if you had a take on any of the evidence, or even the demonstrable fact that China has changed its story over time, but nevermind. Run along.
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If you have the money and time, you are welcome to visit Xinjiang, China, and see for yourself.
Those rumors will naturally fall apart.
 
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