So Andy Burnham is going to be PM

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Went to Makersfield and smashed it. Let's be frank, he's going to become PM now. Starmer has no political capital or credibility left. The question is, will there a leadership election or coronation?
 
What will change if he wins ?

Ideologically, I wouldn't say he's too different from Starmer but there are some differences so I would say him being a continuity is a real possibility.

He's spoken a lot about the economic imbalance of the North and control of utilities. These sound pretty vague to me tbh, he's commited to Rachel Reeves' economic rules which doesn't indicate a change in economic policy and he hasn't committed to re nationalisation. However, decent numbers of actual left wing MPs are backing him.

On the other hand, he does support greater devolution (not that surprising for a Metro Mayor) and PR. He does at least possess better communication skills than Starmer and hopefully better judgement skill.
 
... Who?

And an observation: could it be that UK prime minister posts are more about popularity than anything else? Compared to other countries, that is.
 
... Who?

And an observation: could it be that UK prime minister posts are more about popularity than anything else? Compared to other countries, that is
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Great. British humour (i should've said "whom... Right?) . Lemme just ditch US pleb language here...

It's all very well, luv. But i couldn't but notice you've embedded a photograph featuring four people, hitherto ensuring no single person occupies the center spot. Given your wit regarding mr Burham, i will hereby assume it's mister trashcan head there, but out of politeness not mention it so that comedic misrepresentation can take place.

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Great. British humour (i should've said "whom... Right?) . Lemme just ditch US pleb language here...

It's all very well, luv. But i couldn't but notice you've embedded a photograph featuring four people, hitherto ensuring no single person occupies the center spot. Given your wit regarding mr Burham, i will hereby assume it's mister trashcan head there, but out of politeness not mention it so that comedic misrepresentation can take place.

BO'OH'O'WA'ER!
 
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First vaguely competent PM in a decade and the infighting is already starting. We are so fucked.

I know I'm a Starmer 8er but he made a number of failings which ended his premiership.

Firstly, he was never able to eastablish an electoral base which would support him. He spent much of his premiership chasing ring win Reform leaning votes and isolating (or outright insulting) the progressive left. The issue with this is, based on data, Reform supporters were never going to switch to him and the old Labour right policy of telling left wing voters they had no where else to do has provied void. The Greens under Polankski has grabbed that vote. This is seen is literally every election since Starmer became PM, the only exception being the Makerfield byelection because Burnham was campaigning on replacing him. The Ming vase strategy is in pieces now.

His inability to be a coherent politician, what does he stand for? Before being leader, he was supportive of Gaza, Trans Rights and taxing the super wealthy. Everything he has u-turned on.

Unavoidable errors, such as the handling of the Winter Fuel Allowence, Benefits bill and Mandelson has damaged his authority and I would argue a more political savvy person would have avoided those fuck ups which pissed off people and I would argue was not good policy. WFA, in its initial rollout affected people who were not too well off and now after the U turn is too generous in who qualifies for it. The benefits bill was just shitshow, it was very hot summer day and there were a tonne of clearly disabled people protesting against it. It was an awful look and quite frankly not something the Labour party should be doing and it the U-turn meant no money was saved. Than Mandelson. The man is a proven liability and appointing him to the ambassador post raises serious questions on his judgement.

He's an atrocious communicator. I have a level of personal symptathy for him here but sadly we now live in a world where being an effective communicator is an essential rather a desirable. Especially with how vibes based everything seems to be. The actually achievements of his government have not been communicated well to the wider public (Renters rights, workers rights, Taxing VAT on private schools, recognition of Palestine as a state).

The general chaos of his office. In his backroom, there have been multiple personnel changes and multiple rebrands. I think there's been 4 or 5 Comms directors, 4 chief of staffs and multiple changes in advisors. The common denominator in all of this him. I don't think he was ever suited to the role of PM.

To put this into context, I voted for Starmer to be Labour Leader in 2020 and have felt continually let down by him as someone who is very much on the left. I ended up resgining my Labour membership after 12 or 13 years to tput this into contect. I think he put his faith in the wrong people (i.e. the idiot known as Morgan McSweeney) and was lacked basic political nous.

sorry for any grammer issues, am writing this in my lunch break!
 

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