Roe V Wade has been repealed

[LainaGabranth]

https://www.rigzone.com/news/oil_industry_responds_to_biden_letter-16-jun-2022-169360-article/

hmm i wonder if a website dedicated to the oil industry would have even the slightest tinge of bias...........

 

[MariArch]

hmm i wonder if a website dedicated to the oil industry would have even the slightest tinge of bias...........

Em.. It's just quoting the letter sent by the API and exxon mobile in response to Biden lol. If you want me to send the letters, I'd be more than happy to do so

 

[LainaGabranth]

Em.. It's just quoting the letter sent by the API and exxon mobile in response to Biden lol. If you want me to send the letters, I'd be more than happy to do so

Idk what you expected with this, of course oil companies are going to let out crocodile tears over not being able to ravage our environment for their benefit. Doesn't mean it should happen.

 

[MariArch]

Idk what you expected with this, of course oil companies are going to let out crocodile tears over not being able to ravage our environment for their benefit. Doesn't mean it should happen.

Ok. Then instead we should just outsource our oil to other countries so they can ravage their environment? lol. This is what I don't understand about your guys' thinking. Why would we not try to help our domestic energy sector when we are just buying foreign oil. Sounds like a much better solution then fucking with the middle east or em:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/05/17/venezuela-oil-sanctions-chevron/
Outsourcing oil extraction/production is a national security threat. buying from another country isn't making the environment better, it's just going against our best interests.

 

[LainaGabranth]

Ok. Then instead we should just outsource our oil to other countries so they can ravage their environment? lol. This is what I don't understand about your guys' thinking. Why would we not try to help our domestic energy sector when we are just buying foreign oil. Sounds like a much better solution then fucking with the middle east or em:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/05/17/venezuela-oil-sanctions-chevron/
Outsource oil production is a national security threat. buying from another country isn't making the environment better, it's just going against our best interests.

They think the socialist wants an oil industry, oh no no no

 

[MariArch]

They think the socialist wants an oil industry, oh no no no

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-u-s-shifts-focus-to-venezuelan-oil-but-output-is-low-11646694776

"Years of mismanagement, corruption and nationalization of oil ventures caused Venezuela's oil industry—which in the 1990s produced 3.2 million barrels a day—to crash by 2020, when output fell to just one-tenth of what it had been."

 

[LainaGabranth]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-u-s-shifts-focus-to-venezuelan-oil-but-output-is-low-11646694776

"Years of mismanagement, corruption and nationalization of oil ventures caused Venezuela's oil industry—which in the 1990s produced 3.2 million barrels a day—to crash by 2020, when output fell to just one-tenth of what it had been."

Yeah, because the US and China were fighting over Venezuela for years, and then both left the country out to dry. So now you have leaders in Venezuela who are chasing that Chinese money while the US has done fuck all to help the country, knowing full well we easily could have, and if anything have actively deprived them of assistance.

This isn't changing the fact that the oil industry as a whole is a literal plague on humanity and we should be focusing on public transportation and renewable energy asap.

 

[hippy dave]

It’s the law. Whether doctors adhere to the law or not is a different matter. Kind of how informed consent is required in many states, which translates to giving the patient a pamphlet to read in the waiting room. In fact, technically speaking abortion in the UK is illegal under the Offendes Against the Person Act of 1861 and carries the penalty of up to 14 years imprisonment *except* in the specific circumstances described in the Abortion Act of 1967.

https://www.bpas.org/get-involved/campaigns/briefings/abortion-law/

It’s not an elective procedure you’re allowed upon request - in the law’s eyes it’s the doctors who decide. It’s significantly more restrictive than in many U.S. states, at least on paper. Of course doctors understand the value of discretion and usually they go along with what the patient wants, but the circumstances of the patient must warrant the procedure in some way.

Yes the process involves being "assessed" by a doctor and getting their ok for it, but I haven't heard of it being denied. It's routine questions rather than a difficult battle to convince the doc of the mental health benefits. It's still certainly an indignity that a lot of people in a difficult situation could do without, but the reality is indeed not as strict and old-fashioned as the written law suggests (tho still very strict and old fashioned).

 

[MariArch]

Yeah, because the US and China were fighting over Venezuela for years, and then both left the country out to dry. So now you have leaders in Venezuela who are chasing that Chinese money while the US has done fuck all to help the country, knowing full well we easily could have, and if anything have actively deprived them of assistance.

This isn't changing the fact that the oil industry as a whole is a literal plague on humanity and we should be focusing on public transportation and renewable energy asap.

Lol ok. And it's that exact thinking and excuses making that will cost Biden the midterms.

 

[LainaGabranth]

Lol ok. And it's that exact thinking and excuses making that will cost Biden the midterms.

I think it's funny you assume I like Biden just because I think you're misinformed. Quit living on rhetoric.

 

[Foxi4]

Yes the process involves speaking to a doctor and getting their ok for it, but I haven't heard of it being denied. It's routine questions rather than a difficult battle to convince the doc of the mental health benefits. It's still certainly an indignity that a lot of people in a difficult situation could do without, but the reality is indeed not as strict and old-fashioned as the written law suggests.

Abortion in the UK can be denied by the GP’s, there is no legally protected right to choose. That was my point and that’s what the law says. People who say otherwise about abortion in Britain are either uninformed (if they’re unaware of the specifics) or lying (if they have an agenda).

 

[MariArch]

I think it's funny you assume I like Biden just because I think you're misinformed. Quit living on rhetoric.

Never said you liked Biden. I assume you like Crazy Bernie or Pocahontas. My point is that Biden's administration talks exactly like this:

"Sir, families are feeling the cost at the pump"

"Well they wouldn't feel that if they went electric, now would they!?"

It's being that out of touch that will cost em big time

 

[hippy dave]

Abortion in the UK can be denied by the GP’s, there is no legally protected right to choose. That was my point and that’s what the law says. People who say otherwise about abortion in Britain are either uninformed (if they’re unaware of the specifics) or lying (if they have an agenda).

Ok? Law as it is actively enforced rather than law as it stands on paper is what actually matters. Don't make me start pulling out all those lists of ridiculous old laws that are still technically in force in the various parts of the US.

 

[LainaGabranth]

Never said you liked Biden. I assume you like Crazy Bernie or Pocahontas. My point is that Biden's administration talks exactly like this:

"Sir, families are feeling the cost at the pump"

"Well they wouldn't feel that if they went electric, now would they!?"

It's being that out of touch that will cost em big time

Does it bother you at all that your only method of engaging against my position is entirely through the strawmanning of someone who isn't even here?? lmao

genuinely fucking embarrassing.

 

[Foxi4]

Ok? Law as it is actively enforced rather than law as it stands on paper is what actually matters. Don't make me start pulling out all those lists of ridiculous old laws that are still technically in force in the various parts of the US.

Well, we have to argue about reality, not hypotheticals. The law is what it is. If we’re comparing the law in the U.S. states and in the UK, we have to go by what the law says, not by how people want it to say.

*Snip!*

 

[MariArch]

Well, we have to argue about reality, not hypotheticals. The law is what it is. If we’re comparing the law in the U.S. states and in the UK, we have to go by what the law says, not by how people want it to say.

*Snip!*

Should've gone to Iceland. Where they actively perform eugenics on children with down syndrome

 

[hippy dave]

Well, we have to argue about reality, not hypotheticals.

I'm literally talking about the reality. What actually happens. That's more real than words on paper. (I think it's called "living law", maybe it's a part of the civilised world that hasn't made it to your neck of the woods)
Some of you in this thread have made it very clear that you base your existence around deep-throating the all-important Constitution, but the rest of us find actual reality more important than crumbly old documents.

 

[Foxi4]

Should've gone to Iceland. Where they actively perform eugenics on children with down syndrome.

I misread the case, actually - abortions in those cases are permissible, the woman was arguing the opposite, so that’s my bad. I’ve edited my post to remove that reference, for the sake of clarity. That’s not to say that abortions are never denied, see link below.

I'm literally talking about the reality. What actually happens. That's more real than words on paper. (I think it's called "living law", maybe it's a part of the civilised world that hasn't made it to your neck of the woods)
Some of you in this thread have made it very clear that you base your existence around deep-throating the all-important Constitution, but the rest of us find actual reality more important than crumbly old documents.

Yeah, I like to operate within the confines of what doesn’t land me in jail for 14 years, namely the law. We have to compare like to like - in many U.S. states you can simply walk in to a clinic and request an abortion, chat with a doctor once, job done. That is not the case in the UK, and that’s a fact.

Here’s an article with the specifics on abortions being denied or postponed past the legal cut-off limit (which is effectively a denial) in the UK:

https://www.bpas.org/about-our-char...-continue-pregnancies-that-risk-their-health/

We can’t pretend that it doesn’t happen when there are documented cases that prove otherwise.

 

[mrdude]

I feel bad for anyone stupid enough to vote for Republicans thinking they can fix a global economic disaster in just one country lmao

Grrrrrrrrr Trump, I bet that's what you say every day, or maybe you blame Putin.

The reality is that the Dems are wrecking your country, in less than 2 years in power they have managed to run it into the ground. I wonder what it will be like in another 2 years?

 

[mrdude]

hmm i wonder if a website dedicated to the oil industry would have even the slightest tinge of bias...........

I was thinking the same thing about the politicains that have shares in pharmaceutical companies and arms companies, and when you have scientists and the media sponsored by companies such as pfizer.