Hardware Is it worth buying a second PS5 for hacking?

[Deleted User]

The best way to prepare a PS5 for hacking is to buy a launch system and never connect it to the internet or play any games released post-launch. If launch titles contain a day-1 system update on the disk then you can't play the PS5 at all.

If you want to actually play the PS5 you need to buy a second one for gaming. Is it worth it? I don't care about piracy because there's only a handful of games I want to play and their combined price will be less than the price of a second PS5.

A PC can do most things that a hacked PS4 can do. AFAIK the two exceptions are running Bloodborne at 60FPS and save editing.

 

[FAST6191]

I dare say you answered your own question.

But yes in a world of updates then launch day stuff (possibly launch from the first region it dropped in if there is a month or two between them) tends to be the most hacked, or able to be made hackable if a specific update level is needed (it can be that the update introduces a new feature and with it an exploitable bug or part of the exploit chain -- picture viewers, web browsers and the like, though companies know this and will likely sandbox them heavily).
It is not exclusively so as plenty of later model devices have got superior hacks to the launch day varieties (see the xbox 360 in both DVD and JTAG/RGH).
This also fails to account for launch day problems -- they tend to be the worst cooled/hottest running, cheapest lasers (or worst quality control for them to get them out there and fix later) and a lot more things besides there. Some of this is accounted for in the most use and highest number out there (if there are 5 million out there all used for potentially thousands of hours then the 100000 sold in the last year and maybe only used for a few hundred by the most hardcore, which likely would have had an earlier model anyway, then you are going to get more failures in the former) but at the same time it has now been more than long enough to know that later stage PS3, 360 and Wii do far better than their YLOD, RROD and blinking/no dual layer reading prone respectively earlier varieties.

There are also upgrades (and downgrades) during lifetime. Now I am not sure what we will see here -- the 360 gained HDMI, 360 stopped sounding like a plane, hard drives for most things get bigger, PS3 lost linux, PS3 lost backwards compatibility, the gamecube lost fancy video out, SNES cheaped out, Wii lost GC ports... and the ps5 presumably comes with all the audio-video capability it might reasonably expect, leaving mostly the PS5+ in a few years with some shinier hardware to get a few games a speed boost that is vanishingly unlikely to be an exclusive game.

Also save editing has existed on the PC for decades. How many people make save editors these days for it is a different matter but the principle is there.

 

[Tom Bombadildo]

As FAST said, you answered your own question. If you're only interested in a few games and aren't all that interested in pirating them, then buying a second PS5 isn't worth it at all. Given that home console games at this point are going to have PC ports beyond the occasional Sony exclusive (and even that may change, later on if Sony's claim to want to support more PC releases stays true), if you own a gaming PC it's just not remotely worth spending the money on a second one.


And, if I'm being perfectly honest, these days having a hacked home console just isn't really worth bothering with at all anyways if you have a capable PC unless you really really like tinkering with tech for funsies. You don't really get a lot of homebrew games or programs beyond the usual emulators and open source engine ports (DOOM, Wolfenstein 3D, Duke 3D etc etc) like you did in the XBOX/Wii/PS3 days and basically all of them are irrelevant if you've got a PC.

 

[Deleted User]

A hack could be years away. Heck Xbox One never got hacked. If you're going to buy a second one to hack why not wait for a hack and good chance they will be cheaper then like maybe $300. No reason to buy two $500 consoles.

And if you don't care about piracy why would you want a second one to hack? Doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[godreborn]

I'd say no. this next generation is likely to be unlike the previous generations. sony is a member of hackerone, so any exploits will be quickly patched. you'll be waiting a very long time for anything to happen. that's what's happened with the ps4, and I don't believe they were a member of hackerone until a ways into the the ps4's life. they will be with the ps5 on day one.

 

[Tom Bombadildo]

A hack could be years away. Heck Xbox One never got hacked. If you're going to buy a second one to hack why not wait for a hack and good chance they will be cheaper then like maybe $300. No reason to buy two $500 consoles.

The Xbox One has had private exploits (although probably for lower firmwares at this point, not sure if any would still work on latest), they simply never got released publicly because the Xbone has Dev Mode which gives you everything an exploit would sans piracy (which a lot of devs are usually against), and a little loss in power because you're stuck in a lower spec'd sandbox (but it doesn't really matter that much).

As for "waiting", the whole point of buying a second launch model is because initial firmware versions are more likely to have exploits, by the time the console would see price cuts, those exploits would be patched.

 

[leon315]

The best way to prepare a PS5 for hacking is to buy a launch system and never connect it to the internet or play any games released post-launch. If launch titles contain a day-1 system update on the disk then you can't play the PS5 at all.

If you want to actually play the PS5 you need to buy a second one for gaming. Is it worth it? I don't care about piracy because there's only a handful of games I want to play and their combined price will be less than the price of a second PS5.

A PC can do most things that a hacked PS4 can do. AFAIK the two exceptions are running Bloodborne at 60FPS and save editing.

2 ps5 will costs you 1000euro or equivalent+online fee, if ur only goal is pirate games, then just build a pc!

 

[Zense]

Hacking it would only be reasonable if you want to potentially be able to use the features it has in homebrew stuff that the PC wouldn't be able to offer. As it stands the only thing I can think of is the DualSense stuff like haptic feedback and rumble stuff. However, a custom dualsense driver for PC could possibly be made, so not that much incentive there.

Then we have the in-house ssd stuff that sony made, but who cares about that for homebrew.

Lastly there is RT stuff, which you can get on a PC but you might not yet have invested in it. I don't think you'll see anything homebrew be able to tap into that in a very long time, if ever.

Maybe if Sony releases PS3 titles using an emulator you can inject stuff into, it'd be worth it, or maybe even a PS2 emulator.

 

[Deleted User]

The Xbox One has had private exploits (although probably for lower firmwares at this point, not sure if any would still work on latest), they simply never got released publicly because the Xbone has Dev Mode which gives you everything an exploit would sans piracy (which a lot of devs are usually against), and a little loss in power because you're stuck in a lower spec'd sandbox (but it doesn't really matter that much).

As for "waiting", the whole point of buying a second launch model is because initial firmware versions are more likely to have exploits, by the time the console would see price cuts, those exploits would be patched.

And the only system that ever applied to was PS3 on 3.55 (not to mention you could downgrade a lot of them). Every other console got newer CFW updates so being on 1.0 didn't do anything.

It's not my money I don't really care but history doesn't favor buying a second console just because it's on the first update so I would spend my $500 elsewhere if it were me. Nobody knows if being on the first firmware will matter at all.

 

[subcon959]

Buy 3 just in case.

 

[Goku1992A]

I will put it this way I still have a sealed Nintendo Switch Lite Pokemon Version from last year and without the hardmod there is no current hack for it. It's more of a buy at your own risk kind of thing if you have the disposable income just buy it. It will keep it's value in the up coming years

 

[Deleted member 42501]

Let the SOONing commence...

Just buy one, upgrade to the latest firmware, buy a game, play it, trade it in and buy another one. I assure you you'll be way more happier that way than sitting here F5ing the crap out of the site begging for hacks to play old ass games on your new system.

 

[isoboy]

https://www.psxhax.com/threads/ps5p...me-dumps-and-ps5-emc-uart-pinouts.8280/page-2 What's going on over here? Are we sitting on another launch unit nugget?

 

[Tom Bombadildo]

https://www.psxhax.com/threads/ps5p...me-dumps-and-ps5-emc-uart-pinouts.8280/page-2 What's going on over here? Are we sitting on another launch unit nugget?

...no? Dumping encrypted BD discs and downloading encrypted pkgs from PSN URLs =/= "potential hack", it's stuff anyone can do, and there's not much we can do at all with encrypted content beyond looking at how pretty that encryption is.

As for the proxy thing, it's just the same idea as the Switch web browser proxy, just PS5. Doesn't mean anything whatsoever about hacks.