Is Windows 10 really that bad?

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Thanks mate.
The second I get my computer the first thing I'll install is this.
Next will be all the rest of the anti-windows 10 shit, like the anti-data sharing stuff.

Also lol that desktop background is so stretched out it took me a while to understand what it was. (Still cool though)
Yeah theres guides all over the place to disable telemetry the background image is stretched b/c im using 3 monitors shes holding a katana but its on my 3rd screen lol
 
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Buggy blend of aero and metro which feels like a beta (even keeps notifying you to give feedback on apps). 8 implemented both much better.
It's improved a lot since launch at least.

As a tester, it got worse with every update. They released it well before it was ready just because the UI had changed from windows 8 enough.
 
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Take this all with a grain of salt, as I'm almost exclusively a Linux user. But here goes on my general comments/complaints about Windows 10:

First, I don't really have some sort of great love of Windows 7 (or XP for that matter), so changes that are different than 7/XP aren't inherently something I'd complain about. What I do complain about are (1) how a lot of stuff (since 8, I think) has been pushed between two different interfaces. So, most the time you can configure some settings only through the old Control Panel stuff and sometimes it's under Metro and PC Settings. This often translates into me digging through four or five links trying to find something basic like information on my IP address for an interface or even what interfaces are being detected. Basically, it's all pretty well a mess IMHO.

Second, the whole styling of the UI is pretty blah. It's not really a big deal, but it's like MS has went from "functional", to "flashy", to "configurable" (often with hacks to get past the BS signing of themes, to "functional". At step 3, there was no reason to revert anything because "functional" is just a theme. That they decided to not, oh, work towards more comprehensive and cohesive skinning vs just hardcoding Yet Another Point UI Shift? *bleh* But, that's a pretty minor thing.

Third, it sucks that Windows 7 Pro -> Windows 10 Pro means losing Windows XP mode. Yea, I didn't really used it much. It was really more a toy for me. But I hate losing a legitimately licensed toy that now has me wondering how legally grey it would be to stick a copy of XP in a VM if I want to isolate something or whatever. This rather leads to...

Four, Windows 10 is getting a variety of new features like Windows Sandbox, WSL, etc. At least in principle this is good. In practice it feels like everyone is becoming MS's beta testers just like Google's various beta programs. I draw the analogy precisely because this shift makes me believe that MS is going incredibly hardcore opposite to backwards compatibility, program existence stability, etc. If I'm going to be beta testing MS's new stuff, it'd be nice to know it'll actually be around in 10 years. That leads to...

Five, my problem with Windows 10 isn't all the forced updates (well, except the whole 30%/restart 100%/sometimes restart again 0-100% that can take several minutes). It's what forced updates means. What's the Windows 10 life cycle? From four, I don't think MS even knows. Officially it's 18 months for everything that's not Enterprise or Education. And yea, this actually means the first two releases of Windows 10 are already End of Service (which I presume is equivalent to EOL) with the third release quickly approaching. There's still about a year left of updates for Windows 7, and plenty of people are skiddish about that. That Windows 10 is basically the same constantly would make most sane people uncomfortable at least. Yes, you can always "update" but those "update(s)" are AFAIK functionally re-installs. It's little wonder there's been so much chaos if every 6 months you're doing in-place re-installs, as no amount of perfection of the technology has ever made that a flawless experience on any OS I've ever used.

There's probably more stuff I could mention. Overall, I'm not against Windows 10*--although like a lot of people, I've done the anti-tracker stuff and replaced the start menu. I've never seen the claimed super fast starts/shutdown (I use SSDs in near all my systems now, too), ever thought Windows was suddenly snappy (except those times I go back to using Windows 9x for a bit on a much slower system), or really thought much of the vague promises of what Windows 10 offers--concrete features are another thing, although most I wouldn't use. Anyways, that's generally one outsider's perspective.

* Against using Windows in general, yes. Why buy the cow (OS) when the milk (Linux) is free without questionable licensing bullshit (EULAs)?
 
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I get the satire.. But if I could use Linux like I do Windows? I'd never go back..

It wasn't satire though.
TempleOS is the most spiritually euphoric system experience available.
You just aren't enlightened my friend.
Soon you will understand the secrets of the omnipotent and can accept the lifestyle into your heart.

~Et satanas in æternum vive:~
 
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I primarily use windows 7. I have 10 on 3 laptops but i really dont use them much. (I take peoples old laptops. to them 4 years is old lol. Dumb asses)
The forces updates are the main issue. MS cant even update right.
 

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But if I could use Linux like I do Windows? I'd never go back..

This I totally get. I moved from Windows 2000 to Linux (Mandrake or something, IIRC) then bounced around various distros over the last 15 years. I can't imagine going back to Windows permanently. By the same token, I can't imagine moving to Gnome or KDE. Really, the window manager is the major interface difference I'd notice on a daily basis--I can run a terminal and bash anywhere, so that's covered. So, I'm stuck with Icewm for life (or something sufficiently equivalent).
 
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I get the satire.. But if I could use Linux like I do Windows? I'd never go back..

Linux does seem like a very suitable alternative nowadays. The problem is, I personally have never got it to run properly on literally any computer I've ever owned (i.e. everything works reliably - esp. resuming from sleep). The most stable Linux environment I've ever had was within Hyper-V, running on top of Microsoft contributed kernel drivers, lol.
 
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Forgot to mention in my previous post.
Even on Windows Phone, which doesn't deal with desktop mode at all and has a nearly identical UI between 8 and 10, they still managed to make 10 essentially a carbon copy of 8 but with added crashes and instability. That's literally the only difference between 8 and 10 on phones besides skype and messaging being annoyingly merged unless you dig into settings to disable the feature. IE for WP8 was much more stable than Edge, even after years of updates.
 

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If you want a really, and I mean "why-didn't-I-see-this-before" really; go for LTSC 2019. Its the best bare-bones Windows 10 release there is. There are a couple of reasons to love Windows 10, companies are catching up, drivers are now being updated to Windows 10 and support for legacy OS's are dropping; I also applaud how drivers are now easily found by the Windows Update service, back then on Windows 7, you have to wait hours upon hours for the OS to find a driver, this is specifically useful for non-tech-savvy users; UEFI support, UEFI is deeply rooted into Windows 10, and I like it for you can tweak and even make changes to the the settings without ever entering the BIOS. I suggest picking up a SSD, and make it as your primary OS drive instead of your HDD, an SSD + LTSC 2019 can make the experience at its most optimal.
 

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You guys are all crazy
TempleOS is clearly the best

I take a look on it and YES its quite different.And x64 bit,and yes it has "something".But i´m afraid nothing for me,i´m not a programmer and definetly not an system"near" user.:)

I´m a besetting "windowsuser".And i like Windows 10 since the last 3 years i´ll learn to appreciate this OS.It´s an worthier XP/7 successor.:grog:
 

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Windows 10 isn't bad at all. Especially if you use a ltsb version of it. There are also apps to change the ui to look like older versions of windows
 

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Agree W10 is great for what it supports aside from collecting data. Tho I highly recommend backing up the C drive or at least make a partition copy of your windows since it has many apps/built in features or software that can potentially stop working and the only way to fix them is by reinstalling W10 if cmd doesn't help. System restore is not always accurate either.
 
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Buggy blend of aero and metro which feels like a beta (even keeps notifying you to give feedback on apps). 8 implemented both much better.
It's improved a lot since launch at least.

As a tester, it got worse with every update. They released it well before it was ready just because the UI had changed from windows 8 enough.
As someone who also tested Windows 10 I can say that these issues were overblown and caused by people not fresh installing a BETA OS with each major update. Never had the major issues. Up until about 6 months before release the major updates changed way too much to keep the system running in a stable manner.
 
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Hello.:)

I´ve get Windows 10 from an Windows 7 Anytime upgrade.This one works 1 year flawless without any greater issues.Then i´ve decided to make an new install in case of too many programs/tools and simply trying out.
That runs also an year without troubles.
I think new install after an year is not unusal.Even if you try many tools/programs/Videoediting/playing games etc. or simply WORK with Windows.

AND any Windows 10 Update works for me (except one time in spring last year but thats maybe my fault).:)
 

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Pffffff...I'll go with what many have already said: "windows 10 isn't bad, but..."

In my case, the 'but' is mostly 'it doesn't add much'. At work we have a roughly even spread of windows 7 and 10. I have users who've had their computer for months and couldn't tell the difference, and I can't blame them: once classicshell is installed with a windows 7 logo, it becomes pretty hard to tell the difference (when not putting them in direct comparison, obviously). 10 isn't more stable than 7. It's not noticeably faster(1). I guess it's more secure, but the interface is clearly worse(2).

I went linux (mint) at home some months ago, and it's only by doing those day-to-day things that the difference really notices. Those strange slowdowns in chrome? Never had anything like that in mint. These random "this program has encountered an error and needs to close" messages? I only see that at work now. The "please restart your computer to continue" you sometimes see? I think I had it once when installing a proprietary video driver...otherwise, I never had any interruptions whatsoever.
Mind you: these are all small and occasional things. I give it about 9 out of 10 chances that I can turn on my windows PC (either at home or at work) and do daily tasks without any of this described stuff happening. On (a user-friendly distro of) linux, that's more like 99 out of 100 times.

As far as I'm concerned, the largest bugbear is an invisible one. Just what and how is microsoft really taking from your computer? Are they trying to steal your credit card (not likely), or do they want to see which sites you visit so they can use this data for targeted commercials (likely)? I only started using windows 10 when I heard about a program that shut all that off (donotspy), and seriously started thinking of switching when I noticed that updates forced this stuff back on.


Oh, right...and the default start screen. These stupid tiles are butt-ugly, distracting and unneeded. The whole "it's better than windows 8's start screen!" is technically correct but misses the point that it is still a long and totally unneeded step down from windows 7. The "you can install classicshell" is also correct (which I'm not only doing, but am doing FOR ALL PC'S IN MY COMPANY) but is akin to saying "you CAN remove the bed of nails from the driver's seat of our new car model if you insist on being old fashioned".


(1): granted: this is one that's REALLY hard to guess for the obvious reason: newer and faster pc's come with windows 10. I'm fairly sure most if not all the extra speed comes from the hardware rather than the software (let alone the OS).
(2): I have to note I'm a PC technician/administrator that often has to snoop around the options. The "average user" who only accidentally finds out how to change the background picture hasn't noticed a difference. See also: those users I mentioned earlier.

Windows 10 isn't bad by any means.
It's still light-years better than macOS and (sorry) Linux.
Sorry, but at this point the only thing windows is still ahead of linux is program compatibility. I know this is a pretty large factor, but that gets gradually better (that is to say: faster than new software gets released), and when taking other factors also into account, windows certainly isn't "light years" ahead.
 

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Its been a while that i want to write a article about Windows 10 and its misconceptions for my blog, mainly about the update system. But i decided i can't just write anything based only on my user experience. So i decided to ask opinion from other W10 users - what do you guys think? I see W10 getting as much hate as Vista and 8/8.1, and in some aspect i agree, but my user experience has been great so far. Coming from Windows 7 Ultimate (which i used from 2012 to march 2018), i don't plan on going back. But i've been using it since April 2018 on a newly built PC. Due to the nature of PCs, the experience can change drasticaly from user to user, so tell me what you think about W10. Is it good, bad? How does it performs on your machine?

Btw: I'm running Windows 10 Pro build 16299.15 (1709/RS3)
Intel Pentium G4560 3,5 Ghz
8 GB DDR4 RAM Kingston (2x4 dual channel)
Nvidia GT 1030 2 GB GDDR5 from Galax (white board model)
Gigabyte H110M-S2PH
Storage: HDD Seagate Barracuda 1 TB 7200 RPM, model ST1000DM010-2EP102
PSU: Corsair CX450

Not the greatest machine, but gets the job done. Fast load times, super fast boot and shutdown times (5 sec max). Fast multitasking (Chrome with many tabs, Photoshop, Vegas Pro 13.0, or using emulator/playing PC game).

Your Ram is lacking to upgrade. Try upgrade it to the higher RAM the better. Your Nvidia Gt is alright. Maybe you can replace it for better Nvidia GT video card. Then you will have a great PC!

Obviously, your computer is not customized. I always buy one on the line and customized it. It is better than just buy ready PC at the store. Not good. Customizing is the best way so you make your own PC built that you really want. Thats why I prefer PT built.
 

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Windows 10 isn't bad by any means.
It's still light-years better than macOS and (sorry) Linux.

The only reason why I am not too happy about it is because of the whole data collection thing.
I hate apple for pulling stuff like that but Microsoft did the same thing with windows 10.

So they kind shit the bed with that.

Also, there isn't any start menu ads bullshit with Windows 7.
I also heard that it's faster in a lot of ways. So there's that.

Hahahaha.. MacOS version is better than Windows.. A free. Always a free newer. I have a Windows 10 and I like Windows 10 to but you have to purchase Windows 10 to upgrade. Thanks god that they offered Windows 10 for free temporarily. However, for macOS.. They offer free upgrade all the time. Unlimited! And when I restarted MacOS and it load faster than Windows 10 does. :)
 

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