Do You Believe In God?

[Yil]

Actually I find the notion of a spiritual attack as you framed it to be truly laughable, however rather than play IR science boy, let's point and laugh at the freak I thought I would ask about something that could be a logical inconsistency within that. I guess you can say those religions are wrong but that is just as good from where I sit as you now have to prove another is right.

Well you don't have the experience first hand. Most of the things in this world are intangible to us. I also find your assumption that only what you see is real and there is no possibility what cannot see can be real more laughable than me chasing ghosts.

 

[FAST6191]

Assuming you meant see as in demonstrate -- I struggle to see air but can infer its presence, gravity too. Equally I have never been below the equator, pretty sure it exists though as people have been and shown it to be the case.

On the other hand I have never seen any evidence of a spiritual attack. Seen people attacked with spirits (fortunately no fire was involved), seen attacks on the spirit of people (usually by myself being rather negative about things) and even saw someone hurt from a falling spirit level once but an attack on metaphysical concept somewhat aligned with certain popular religions (yet absent entirely in many others) having manifestations in the physical realm is pretty laughable. I don't doubt someone felt like shit and blamed it on spirits but I can no more blame it on spirits than someone farting 10 times zones away... except actually chaos theory at least allows for that to be a possibility.

 

[exdeath255]

People accept science as fact just like any other religion. Science is only what we know right now with our current understanding. It doesnt mean it couldnt be totally abolished the next day, say if demons or aliens decided to drop in and stop being in a wavelength that we cant see with eyes or tech for example. We dont know all that there is to know, so to think that there cant be something ever just because theres no proof right now is pretty dumb if you ask me.

also nothingness or the void, is god afaik.

 

[Yil]

People accept science as fact just like any other religion. Science is only what we know right now with our current understanding. It doesnt mean it couldnt be totally abolished the next day, say if demons or aliens decided to drop in and stop being in a wavelength that we cant see with eyes or tech for example. We dont know all that there is to know, so to think that there cant be something ever just because theres no proof right now is pretty dumb if you ask me.

also nothingness or the void, is god afaik

I think it is more of intangibility than simply invisibility. And it is most certain that it is unadvisible to drop guard against them.
I am convinced that the forbid of study of magic and so called peace of the Christian god is to one day invade the earth, and they wanted the planet devisated so nature will be weakened. Simply said god is a wicked deity who want to absorb everything on the planet who by no means is our creator and definitely not from earth. Peace will only come when he is gone, which this god is by no means 'redeemable'.

 

[OrGoN3]

Yes. How else do you explain BootMii, A9LH, and Loadiine?

 

[FAST6191]

People accept science as fact just like any other religion. Science is only what we know right now with our current understanding. It doesnt mean it couldnt be totally abolished the next day, say if demons or aliens decided to drop in and stop being in a wavelength that we cant see with eyes or tech for example. We dont know all that there is to know, so to think that there cant be something ever just because theres no proof right now is pretty dumb if you ask me.

also nothingness or the void, is god afaik.

Then they are doing science wrong. Any experiment by anybody can prove anything "known" to be wrong, something you kind of head towards there but miss in the end. I should also say the knowledge of science is all what we know, the goal of science is to know it all and figure out how things work along the way which is a rather large and important difference.
Absence of proof is indeed not proof of absence but however many thousands of years and not a smidgen of evidence would mean scepticism is the more logical path -- though above I said anybody can prove something wrong it would take some serious juice to go up against various theories and laws in science, sometimes this can be bad but most times it is a fairly good way to set about things. At the same time my feeble meat body and brain can't learn it all so I have to accept that someone that went through broadly similar training (baseline what we know, now observe, experiment, repeat, faking results is the worst) for another area will work to the same standards.

Equally "nothingness or the void". I mentioned it a few times already but assuming that the gods are in the bits you don't know is a concept called god of the gaps. It is widely panned as a philosophy really. If instead you meant it more literally and want the void/nothingness/notions of the universe cooling to a uniform temperature to be your god then fair enough.

Beyond that you are teetering somewhat close to the "atheism is another religion" pointlessness.

 

[Yil]

Then they are doing science wrong. Any experiment by anybody can prove anything "known" to be wrong, something you kind of head towards there but miss in the end. I should also say the knowledge of science is all what we know, the goal of science is to know it all and figure out how things work along the way which is a rather large and important difference.
Absence of proof is indeed not proof of absence but however many thousands of years and not a smidgen of evidence would mean scepticism is the more logical path -- though above I said anybody can prove something wrong it would take some serious juice to go up against various theories and laws in science, sometimes this can be bad but most times it is a fairly good way to set about things. At the same time my feeble meat body and brain can't learn it all so I have to accept that someone that went through broadly similar training (baseline what we know, now observe, experiment, repeat, faking results is the worst) for another area will work to the same standards.

Equally "nothingness or the void". I mentioned it a few times already but assuming that the gods are in the bits you don't know is a concept called god of the gaps. It is widely panned as a philosophy really. If instead you meant it more literally and want the void/nothingness/notions of the universe cooling to a uniform temperature to be your god then fair enough.

Beyond that you are teetering somewhat close to the "atheism is another religion" pointlessness.

Physics experiments are not as easy to control as Biology (actually it is a false statement because the environment is much more complicated than Biologist like to believe) and that many factors are completely unknown. And during an experiment you are more likely to get results you wanted.
Biologists don't even know math beyond year one in university.
You should know that temperature is irrelevant that it is just a representation of movements of internal components in a large system, which even an atom can be ridiculously huge and complex if you dive into smaller particles.
You know I could ask someone to arrange a spirit attack if you want to feel what it is like.

 

[haipro2001]

The person who made us called himself "god" does exist. However he is just little better than normal human beings. He made up the whole story in order to keep human living in harmony by accepting his lies. But now the religions kept causing trouble and it doesn't work well anymore...

 

[FAST6191]

Difficulty with controls/controlling for alternative variables varies with experiment, however at present I would say that biology is harder to control for first (what does this simple to make chemical do to a human body) where physics (neutrino sensors down that mine or something) probably get harder at the top end. On the other hand I can fairly easily make a weak vacuum or use an alternative gas and drop a large weight in it to see what goes for air resistance. I am not sure where you were going with that though.

That would depend upon where you find your biologist. Equally how necessary would it be for the average straight up biologist to know much more than first year maths (which seems to typically be a refresher course for 16-18 year old maths, so statistics as far as modelling and distributions, basic equations for growth and what have you, simple mechanics, complex numbers and a bit more pure maths to understand some of the concepts underpinning all the things mentioned). I am sure you could find someone in the field that needs the good stuff, protein folding for example, but edges and crossover are always where the fun is at for that sort of thing.

The temperature thing was shorthand and alluding to an end of the universe concept (universe expands so much that entropy becomes meaningless and thus everything is the same temperature), something that I often see linked to void based philosophies.

Spirit attack me or whomever you like. In fact don't tell me you are doing it and I will come back here and say if I feel something out of the ordinary.

 

[BlokeyBloke]

No I don't belive in god or satan.
It's wrong for me.
Also I don't belive in hell or heaven
for me I find it all fake I dont belive in anything
like that.

Ps: This is what I think.

 

[Yil]

No I don't belive in god or satan.
It's wrong for me.
Also I don't belive in hell or heaven
for me I find it all fake I dont belive in anything
like that.

Ps: This is what I think.

Consider this, if you do not die by the hand of a believer and not a believer yourself, neither heaven nor hell is relevant to you. Only religious people goes there.

 

[Fabax01]

I believe in the Wii U reincarnation cycle
I don't know, actually. If there is a God except the wii u i'm indifferent. Either way i'll die, believing or not believing.

 

[RevPokemon]

Looking over this thread I am semi upset people confuse anti-theism with atheism

 

[Yil]

Looking over this thread I am semi upset people confuse anti-theism with atheism

But which one are you? I am anti-theism because gods just like messing with our pointless little life.

 

[RevPokemon]

But which one are you? I am anti-theism because gods just like messing with our pointless little life.

Personally I am actually a thiest (John Spong type of Christian although I do find the jesus myth theory interesting) but i just do not like it when people use those terms interchangeably when they are different.

 

[Yil]

Personally I am actually a thiest (John Spong type of Christian although I do find the jesus myth theory interesting) but i just do not like it when people use those terms interchangeably when they are different.

Jesus is kind of out of the system but I am still convinced that god will eventually make an invasion which he directly state in the bible and people think letting god absorb everything is good.

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Personally I am actually a thiest (John Spong type of Christian although I do find the jesus myth theory interesting) but i just do not like it when people use those terms interchangeably when they are different.

I do have some sort of peek into the future ecperience of christian apocalypse. I trust neither god nor satan

 

[RevPokemon]

Jesus is kind of out of the system but I am still convinced that god will eventually make an invasion which he directly state in the bible and people think letting god absorb everything is good.

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I do have some sort of peek into the future ecperience of christian apocalypse. I trust neither god nor satan

So you are anti- thiest in the sense you believe in a sort of higher power yet do not care for him/her/zir? I took your original post as if you were an anti-thiest in the sense you believe that there is no God.

Edit: didn't see that second part

 

[LittleFlame]

I don't think there's any deity out there, if there is they're an asshole

 

[Yil]

So you are anti- thiest in the sense you believe in a sort of higher power yet do not care for him/her/zir? I took your original post as if you were an anti-thiest in the sense you believe that there is no God.

Edit: didn't see that second part

I believe in their existence and I take the majority as a threat. They never cared about you being kind to others, but if you worship them which makes them more powerful and if they can claim your soul after you die, which going to heaven or hell is not the natural process but due to a interference of deities. Good luck having your concious fading into god, though he will become closer to omnipotence with everything on this planet.
Being forced into oneness with a deity is neither justified nor desirable.
To quote @LittleFlame Deities are assholes.
(Judgement: (damage * (1 + EXP * 10)) ^ LOVE)

 

[RevPokemon]

I believe in their existence and I take the majority as a threat. They never cared about you being kind to others, but if you worship them which makes them more powerful and if they can claim your soul after you die, which going to heaven or hell is not the natural process but due to a interference of deities. Good luck having your concious fading into god, though he will become closer to omnipotence with everything on this planet.
Being forced into oneness with a deity is neither justified nor desirable.
To quote @LittleFlame Deities are assholes.
(Judgement: (damage * (1 + EXP * 10)) ^ LOVE)

So you are not a antitheist but a believer in Misotheism.